Dimensions

Alex (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 9 months ago

I was reading a book today, and something profound caught me, that I had always pondered but never could form into words.
So we have dimensions, we live in a (at least perceived) 3 dimensional world. There are higher, and lower dimensions (no, I do not consider the 4th dimension to be time)
We are on earth, and when we look at our solar system, we only see it in 2 dimensions, when we look at galaxies, we only see it as a point, or 1 dimension. Take a ponder inside of yourself and imagine yourself as a cell. What would that cell perceive? The massive distances is almost like what we perceive when we look in the sky. A cell in my artery would look up and be like okay that is where I’m going..thats the future.. They would look back and be like okay, that is where I came from that is my past. It doesn’t perceive our world, because we are in a higher dimension than it. To us really, a cell is an unseeable point. We can observe it with out technology, because and only because we are in a higher dimension then us. If we were in a lower dimension, we wouldn’t be able to. It seems each time you progress a dimension, it drops the lowest one, and adds a higher one. I believe all things are like this.
This raises the question of an Absolute Dimension. At any point in the absolute, it would connect with everywhere else. To us, and anything other than the absolute, it would be literally invisible. We would never be able to see it.

The absolute would contain the whole universe, any other universes, all moments time, matter, absolutely everything..even everything that possibly could have happened. We can imagine this.
As soon as we do imagine this however, we have to think of it as modified in some way. We think of it in a form of body, quality, or law. That is our limitation.
We can break it down into three observable ways. Radiation, Attraction, and time.
What is the absolute dimension? What is the end of dimensions? Does it contain all knowledge? What does it perceive?
We see the solar system, and galaxies, but we are only seeing parts of it. We cannot SEE the higher dimensions, only crosshairs. Say a glass is sitting somewhere in a room, and all you can see is the rim of the glass because light shines off it. Only when you pick it up, do you realize that no, its not a rim of light, its a glass. We can ONLY do this because we can change our reference in Space and Time to the object. We simply cannot do this with things higher than us. If you had the solar systems reference, the earth is no longer a giant sphere, but it is a line travelling. It’s 2 dimensional at that point, and us humans, would be microscopic little 1 dimensional points.

I am SO ranting right now, and I hope at least SOME of this made sense. Dimensions are crazy, and its all about spacial reference.
Considering that there might be an absolute is an amazing concept that I hope someone develops on. Even if there was no absolute, then do things get bigger and bigger and bigger indefinately? Would micro and macro be really different? Or could somehow or some way, the most macro thing in existence somehow be the most micro thing at the same time?

August 22, 2011 at 5:20 am
Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 9 months ago ago

^that’s what went through my brain at work.

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Matt P (16) (@mkp843) 10 years, 9 months ago ago

I like the idea of dimensions.. I like that the farther something is, the less dimensions we can see of it, at least in our existence (unless your a super wiz at astral projection..??) that is a pretty cool concept.. represents the void, and gives us our relativity I suppose.. I don’t see how anything but our mind has any potential to get out of the first 3 dimensions.. Seems like it would kill us to me.. but I dunno.. If you look at dimensions as frequencies, then it seems pretty logical that our bodies are only designed for life in the first 3 dimensions (as we know them) ..

I dunno about an absolute dimension.. it’s not a stretch for me to think that dimensions can over lap.. and that there are many more possibilties than what we are presented with.. I like the idea that universe is the size of grape.. and then I like to think of a whole vinyard of grapes to imagine the possibilities.. all of which represent different dimensions.. and maybe even different combinations of dimensions as i’ve been trying to envision lately.. specifally, imagining what reality would be like if we had a body, yet were on a much higher frequency, and around other dimensions that we are not in tune with… In other words, having a physical body in another reality…

**Edit** that’s my rant on what’s been going through my head about dimensions..

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Ye7ia Kh. (0) (@ye7ia) 10 years, 9 months ago ago

You should read flatland if you havn’t read it yet.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 10 years, 9 months ago ago

The theoretical physicists claim that there are 11 dimensions that are “known” to the world of science. Most esoteric teachings mention that there are several dimensions. The science shows on tv often talk about 5 dimensions. There are many other theories about myriads of dimensions, and some about no dimensions.

I know that there are more than three. I believe that there are myriads of them, but I do not know if it’s true. If the world only had three dimensions it wouldn’t exist, because there would be nothing there to hold it together and nothing to percieve it.

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Anonymous (11) (@) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

Quite frankly, I can’t explain dimensions very well. Could anybody that has a solid grasp of the concept of dimensions and a equally impressive ability to communicate complex ideas please explain them in simple terms. Honestly the simpler the better, I’m looking for simple that would make einstein proud.

I understand 1-3; kinda looking for info on rest?

appreciate it

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Bryan Hellard (307)M (@xyver) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

Here’s a good video:

Bugger, I don’t know why it’s not working.

Search “Imagining the Tenth Dimension”

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Dick (364) (@dick) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

The three dimensions we are familiar with are length, width, and height. Our eyes are too close together to appreciate whether something is 3D or not beyond about 10 meters. We see the world in 2D, but our eyes see a slightly different picture of the same object if it is close enough. Our brains bend the images to fit together and, voila, our brain has a 3D image. Fortunately we have found ways around this limitation through inference. When we see a satellite disappear on one side of a distant star and appear on the other, we can infer that depth exists. Add that to our understanding of our own solar system and you have 3D space.
Lots of things don’t have dimension though, if they have no mass, they have no dimension.
To say that there is a fourth dimension is a misnomer.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

@Dick Binocular vision, yes. But it’s not completely true however. Ever heard of telescopic vision? Basically, when your eyes are strong and healthy your range of 3D vision is longer, so in your line of sight you can see longer with 3D. What’s considered normal eyesight today is way below par for the human body.

Things that have no dimensions don’t exist. All material objects must be at least three dimensional to exist. Even the value 0 is a value, in order for something to have no mass it would still require the dimensions. Nothing we can percieve has less than 3 dimensions. And we perceive at least one more dimension constantly.

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Anonymous (11) (@) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

So if we can only observe three spatial dimensions, what exactly are these other things that people call dimensions? time in relation to the dimensions?…einstein modeled it well it’s been a while, who’s in the know?

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

We can perceive more than three dimensions, the notion that we only perceive three is ignorant and plain weird. These three dimensions are the material dimensions, not everything is material.

Time, is time material? What about gravity? Thoughts? Fucking magnetism? Etc etc, these things obviously require at least one more dimension to operate on. The evidence is right in front of people’s faces but they don’t want to look.

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Dick (364) (@dick) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

@Manimal – I think this is just a case of semantics. In my definition time, gravity, etc, exist outside of the realm of dimensions. I describe them as phenomena; a fact, occurrence, or circumstance observed or observable.

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Anonymous (11) (@) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

When I said observe, I didn’t mean perceive, I meant observe. as in what you can visually register and physically examine on a subjective level. I’m aware this is not the full application of the word “observe.”

I see three dimensions in front of my face and I see the results of thoughts, gravity, and even magnetism playing out in 3-D in front of me. You say they need another dimension to operate in but it seems to me they’re doing just fine in the three provided. Why does the immaterial need it’s own dimension?

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

@devon You can indeed see their effects in the three dimensions, such as movement. But remember, cause and effect, something is causing that movement you see.

It’s not an “own dimension,” because everything is connected throughout several of these dimensions. Even the things that seem purely material, such as rocks, are multi-dimensional. And these same three dimensions that we use to describe material might very well have other expressions that aren’t material.

However, there cannot be only three dimensions, that would be a paradox.

Here are some videos of scientists talking about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFZ80G4m_7Q

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John OMallen (15) (@omallen) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

So from the Youtube series Spirit Science(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqliNMfapwQ&list=PLF91B494E3CB5AB19&index=7&feature=plpp_video). It’s pretty crazy, but it’s cool to know or at least understand.

@Manimal
. What you were saying about rocks and such fit into this model, as rocks run on a lower frequency then us and therefor run multidimensional. There was a long winded point I was gonna make about thoughts, but I might make that a separate thread here shortly.

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Anonymous (11) (@) 10 years, 5 months ago ago
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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 10 years, 5 months ago ago

Actually the only dimension we can be sure exists is the 3rd. Everything may well be 3 dimensional, even time.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 10 years, 4 months ago ago

@Alex, I believe this is what you and I were discussing in another thread. I still find this incredibly plausible and it is how I am currently viewing the world. However, your point on how we can’t see the universe other than its cross hairs, that is not entirely true; we can map out the known universe three-dimensionally.

Trying to figure out the higher dimensions is madness. It is impossible to imagine it because, obviously, we can not see it. We can all go ahead and theorize on what exactly it is but I highly doubt we will ever know unless we evolve to the point where we can detect it, which is quite possible.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 10 years, 4 months ago ago

So have I, but then again that is only a theory and I could find millions more with just as convincing of an argument.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 10 years, 4 months ago ago

Yeah it really is. Perhaps we are playing a rather minor, and yet ever so important role in the grand scheme of things. They say “god” is everywhere, so perhaps we are inside a cell of many cells that make up “god”, similar to how all of the trillions of cells in our body make up us.

ANOTHER theory! :O

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BirdFlyingHigh (152) (@birdflyinghigh) 10 years, 4 months ago ago

I feel like gravity and magnetism are examples of forces existing in higher dimensions because yes, we can observe their effects, but only over time.

“Time” would be our way of perceiving the fourth dimension.

We don’t feel gravity except as a pull – something having the tendency to move (which again, takes a sense of time to perceive) in a direction from one moment to the next.

Is that correct?

Alex, I am loving your thoughts here. Have you thought any more about dimensions lately?

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 10 years, 4 months ago ago

@Ray If it was the only dimension, nothing would be 3d, but one-dimensional. And then it wouldn’t be the third dimension, it would be the first and only dimension.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 4 months ago ago

@Manimal, In all fairness he is right. Have you ever just seen a dot or line that wasn’t in 3 dimensions? Nope. We can only imagine these things. We can say that space is just stringed together dimensional points, but how do you dissect empty space? There is no way for us to know if the 3rd dimension isn’t actually the 1st dimension, or if it is the only dimension. At least as far as space is concerned. A cell in my body appears to be just a dimensional point, but with closer examination we realize that it is a 3 dimensional construct. To the galaxy, we are no dimensions, yet closer examination will prove that we are indeed 3 dimensional.

@BirdFlyingHigh
, thank you. What you said about gravity and electromagnetism makes sense. If we consider time to be the fourth dimension than many things would have to be outside of our 3rd dimension, or we are only intaking a part of it. If time is of the 4th dimension, then temperature, gravity, motion, and even INDIVIDUALISM is a product of the 4th dimension. If individualism is a product of the 4th dimension, then that means that the 3rd dimension is a product of the 4th dimension or time. This makes me believe that the answers are in the higher dimensions. Things started with an absolute, which contained every possibility, over any universe in any direction, and then things ‘trickled’ off from that. Otherwise the 4th dimension would be a product of the 3rd dimension, and not the other way around.

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Anonymous (8) (@) 10 years, 4 months ago ago

wow, very nice discussion…quite enlightening

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