Discussion of Jordan's How We Can Change the World Part 1

Anonymous (@) 9 years, 7 months ago

Hey guys I read most recent article earlier today and I can’t stop thinking about what he wrote. I personally think that it is his most powerful article yet and deserves discussion. I know that there is a three series post and I am sure that he will cringe at seeing discussion start before he is able to complete the series and paint a full picture of the conclusion he has come to, but…. here are the questions I wanted to discuss anyways :).

PLEASE ONLY ANSWER IF YOU HAVE READ HiS ARTICLE.

1. Do you agree with Jordan that community and oneness (as he described in his article) is the most important thing that we can work on right now if we are looking to make the world a better place. If not, what do you think is the most important thing?

2. What do you think needs to/can be done to motivate this change. (either the one jordan discussed, or your own.

June 6, 2012 at 12:21 pm
1.61803399 (247) (@drunkmonkmeth) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

there is nothing we can do.

[Hidden]
Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

I’m just gunna copy and paste what I said in another thread about the change we need.

We need to spark change within ourselves first. Become comfortable with ourselves, follow the love and leave fear in the dust. Once this is accomplished spread that love to others to form a tighter community around you. Don’t form clicks, they’re stupid and are slowing us down, plain and simple. If you are waiting in line somewhere and have an urge to say something on how ridiculous this all is, how we need someone handing us our bagel when we could easily have a device do this for us, and how we are all being treated like modern day slaves in this current hierarchical society, do it. Wake people up!

Our atoms connect us all, and if you dive deeper, we are all one. There is no need to feel disconnected or saddened, we choose our own reality every second. Choose to be happy, choose to change yourself and everyone for the better, choose to love and to spread that love to everyone.

[Hidden]
Callisto (18) (@calypso) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@pipthecynical, People cringe away from awkwardness and arguments because they are uncomfortable. But being uncomfortable should not be something we avoid. We should be seeking out the uncomfortable and embracing it. I am just projecting here, but you probably prefer your own company because it’s easy and safe.
Most people in this world (especially the developed world) are desperately lonely, although a lot of the times they don’t know it and trick themselves into thinking they are content with just their own company. I used to think just like you. I was convinced I was introverted and I liked to be by myself more than with other people. But as of late I don’t think that is the case. We are missing community and connectedness in this world. And if you want to opt out, so be it. But just know, your dooming yourself to an unfulfilled life.

“Happiness is only real when shared.”
-Christopher McCandless

[Hidden]
Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

We might as well create a misanthropic community, just because I share the same idea. Living within a paradoxical disgusted community called – The Real World. More fulfilled than any community in the galaxy! With the truth! Buy now.

I haven’t read the article/post/idea yet. I will.

[Hidden]
Germ (6) (@germ) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

Anything in life is done in steps. Even the greatest achievements, started off as a relatively small action.

I do see how this goal can be seen out off grasp, given the scope of the present world view. A person from half way around the world could be in this forum…..your not gonna form your utopian community with him, online.

The realty of the situation, is that you don’t need the world to change around you…..you need to change your world, around you. // meaning, never mind the others, they’ll figure it out for themselves. Instead turn your attention to your family, to your friends and to the randies you meet. If you can achieve a greater sense of community in your own perception , then your golden :)

First step suggestion: spend some of your money on someone else…..

[Hidden]
Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

“Or they’ll talk about fear, which we used to call politics- job politics, social politics, government politics”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Welcome to the Monkey House

I read the post, I liked the pyramid, but I’ve already seen something similar like it. I think that intimacy is a little bit overrated. Psychologically everyone has different desires and everyone needs space. That’s a solid fact. And I agree that we’re offered entertainment every second, but if we don’t feel like we want it, we won’t give it a chance. Ain’t that right?

For us to connect more, we need to just be ourselves (this is becoming a cliche) and really, Share – Not manage. Most of the people are managing their lives and feelings, not sharing them.

Ever noticed a FRIEND talking to you like you’re one of their colleagues or clients? (I personally resist the urge to slap them across the face) That shit happens when you manage and not share, you forget who you are/were. Never forget yourself! Not to say in a long period of time it’s pure manipulation of events based on complete selfishness.

The point I’m trying to make is that feeling connected already is more important than feeling lonely, needing attention, praise, the shit that we’re used to when we’re in school or at work, not from FRIENDS with whom you can SHARE imperfection.

Hallelujah! :D Oh, and fuck y’all.

[Hidden]
Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@pipthecynical, I would consider myself an introvert as well but how can you not enjoy learning about another conscious lifeform? That person could very well be you if you grew up in his/her environment and went through the same events. I see everyone around me as basically another copy of myself, but a vastly different copy. At the beginning you and I were the same, now we are different because of our separate environments through our lifetime. How does that not intrigue you and make you want to investigate further through interaction?

Oh and a little off topic but here’s a little music about this thread basically. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk0sIxf1UMc Give it a listen.

[Hidden]
ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

Sometimes I think it all needs to come down.. start over.

We are currently helplessly reliant on corporations and institutions to put food on our tables, to educate us, to tell us what the world is like, they tell us that the way to make a difference is to go to a voting booth to affect politics and go to work and buy to benefit the economy, etc. etc. etc. etc… it goes on and on and on no matter which way you wrap your mind around it.

In my research it has become obvious that relying on global and nationwide forces gives them too much power and control. If you don’t like the way to world is being run you can’t move to another world!! You can ALWAYS move to another community or start one with people that share common interests and goals.

We need to forget all of this bullshit relying on unseen forces and rely on our individual communities at the face to face level. Completely. I agree with Jordan’s article and am really excited to see his insight coming up.

[Hidden]
Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@pipthecynical, I would agree with you but I think we need each other in order to thrive, in fact, I know that for a fact. I agree with you in live and let live but not to the point where we do not develop friendships. Everyone is a potential friend, why not make it happen. You don’t have to be in their lives completely and know every detail, but you should at least care for everyone for they are a part of your environment, which shapes you as a person.

[Hidden]
Anonymous (170) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

Anything other than an eclectic approach, may very well fail. Community is definitely important, but I would say educating people is even more so. At the end of the day, everyone has something different to bring to the table. That in itself is our greatest advantage, in terms of society, I think its illogical to homogenize the methodology.

[Hidden]
Callisto (18) (@calypso) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@pipthecynical, I think what I said earlier really encapsulates the mindset of many of the people who claim they like to spend their time alone better. There are always exceptions though, and you, my friend, appear to be one of them. Congrats!

@blankey, I agree (sort of)! Haha. I don;t think everybody is a blank slate at birth and we are shaped entirely by our experiences. I think genetics (and maybe karma) also have a huge impact on who we are. Nonetheless, I really like what you are saying. Everybody is fascinating, and we should want to interact with them and learn about them. I hadn’t ever thought abut it like you said. I will now. Thanks.

Also,@pipthecynical, did you read The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand?

[Hidden]
Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@blankey, if everyone is a potential friend and I am friendly to every fucker that was born, how am I going to remember everyone and know them well? Nah.

[Hidden]
Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (92) (@2bias) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@beyond, You can’t be intimate friends with everybody – but like you said you could be friendly to everyone and they could be friendly to you – then you would be friends no?
that is not to say that we should all act nice when really we hate someone – but we should respect them simply because they are there. being friendly to people even if they act like dicks – that’s respect and compassion right there.

[Hidden]
Callisto (18) (@calypso) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@2bias,

Hear, hear!

[Hidden]
Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@2bias, I don’t believe that we understand well what we love or hate. The reason is, there are still making endlessly poetry and movies about it. So I can’t see any hate or love towards everything in just one person.

We hate and love separate things we chose. That’s why if something reminds us of the things we love or don’t love, we feel good or not, because we remembered it that way. Which leads me to believe that a lot of people are living a big grandiose lie. :) This is actually something I research a lot and it’s become something obvious so I don’t really pay attention to excitement or disappointments by people. I don’t get emotionally involved with something I already experienced and remembered, I either walk away or choose an approach. So, in such a deep fucking analysis that’s probably going to annoy a lot of people, but not me,

I discovered that labels like friends, friendly and impressions people make are merely a fucking trust issue, which is quite obvious and I explained why. :D

So there’s no need to be either friendly or offensive, because different people are going to react in different ways. Also, no need to give a fuck. Not giving a fuck is a sure way to friendship, even if it’s tough love. Correct me if I’m wrong. But I’m not wrong. Don’t try. Anyway, Phil said it best.

Every war, personal conflict and argument has started because somebody wanted something that somebody else had or decided that the way a person lives or the way they are is something different to how they live is wrong. If we all just stopped for a moment, decided what we wanted from life – acted upon it with a mutual agreement of live and let live, the place would be a much better place.

I corrected the word respect. It’s like a title which leads to insecurity. I’m talking too much. I’mma take a break. Enjoy the weather.

[Hidden]
Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@drunkmonkmeth, I am truly sorry you feel that way… Like, legitimately feel bad for you, and the fact that people actually think the way you do. People that say things like that make me ashamed to be the same species as them.

@pipthecynical, feigning*.

[Hidden]
Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (92) (@2bias) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@tangledupinplaid21, Hey! mind your tone girl! how can you really be so demeaning? seriously?! – that does NOT belong on HE.

@beyond, It’s true that people react differently no matter how you treat them – if you are nice to two people – they will react differently. If you are an asshole to two people – they will react differently. But you are not the only one analysing the other persons response – so if you start out by being an ass you will also get the response of an asshole a lot more and moreover the other person will (surprise) think you are an asshole. So just as you would chose to be with someone who isn’t a complete dick – they would too :P

Did i read your comment right or did i misunderstand something?

[Hidden]
Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@2bias, you read it right. It’s just that even the same person could change their opinion, change their mind, change their heart if you wish. So it doesn’t even matter, labels change, titles don’t mean anything, the only thing permanent is your own ability to change your perception.

See, I don’t think Ellie said something that wasn’t true about what she strongly believes, the same goes for the anon fibonacci number. Even tones don’t matter much, especially on an internet forum. If you’re into music, you’ll even understand what the definition of Tone is. There’s no tone here. Anyway, observe your reaction to Ellie’s response. It’s a mindfuck to observe your own reactions, but it’s also fun. :)

[Hidden]
Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@2bias, And a “there’s nothing we can do to help things” attitude is? I’m sorry if my unfiltered honesty offends you, but that type of thought is the reason this fucked up system is able to continue, and should be challenged, unceasingly… just as racist or homophobic nonsense should not be tolerated.

[Hidden]
Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

I don’t think the point of this site is to be all pretend bubbly and make everyone feel good. Because if you need other people to tell you that you’re amazing and fill you with ‘positivity,’ then you are insane, delusional, and quite frankly a pussy. I’d rather have honesty. And the fact that as @tangledupinplaid21, said, people think ‘there is nothing we can do’ is just plain dumb. How did society get to the point it’s at if there’s nothing we can do? We obviously did something to get here. We all just have to do our small individual part of being a good human being. No need to start fighting for big causes against corporations or anything… that never really solves anything.

[Hidden]
Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

This shit is absurd. We are all part of the big bad system with its little bad children systems, @tangledupinplaid21,

[Hidden]
Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (92) (@2bias) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@tangledupinplaid21, There is a humungous difference between letting someone know that you recent their mindset and saying that you are ashamed to be the same species as them – I mean come on does it hurt to take 10 seconds to think of a reply that shows a little more respect for the other person? IMO it’s below the standards of HE to express yourself so offensively. I think it’s rather childish to get like that – I apreciate honesty and i don’t think we should wrap things up, moreover, I hate apathy as well – but then the point is also that you should hate apathy and perhaps encourage the person instead of putting him down and making yourself sound arrogant like that – “I’m ashamed to be like you” – that sounds horrible to me! you can’t fight apathy by being rude – that’s contribution!

[Hidden]
Anonymous (2,654) (@) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@2bias, You are wrong. To be Human is to feel ashamed of other people’s misery. Don’t pay attention to rudeness, it has no power over you.

[Hidden]
Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@2bias, he embodied every foul thing about the human race in a single sentence… I held back on my reply, believe it or not.

[Hidden]
Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@beyond, I didn’t say that. I said: “Everyone is a potential friend, why not make it happen. You don’t have to be in their lives completely and know every detail, but you should at least care for everyone for they are a part of your environment, which shapes you as a person.”

Just do the whole Jesus thing and treat others how you would like to be treated. Don’t be an ass, just be friendly to everyone because no one knows exactly what this is, so why not stick together and try to figure it all out together?

[Hidden]
Viewing 24 reply threads
load more