Do we have the right to create conscious machines?

Jon Brooks (@JonBrooks) 7 years ago

There is a lot of buzz around artificial intelligence, I would say at the moment, but AI has been science-fiction fuel for over a century (earliest depictions of machine-like beings can be found more than a millennium ago). 

Emotions run high when discussing the implications of AI. Some are excited, others terrified, a few just a bit insecure that they might not be the smartest person in the room for much longer. One emotion I don’t see much of when it comes to AI is empathy. 
To bring a conscious being into the world is a responsibility. Would it be ethically right to create a conscious machine only to experiment on “it”? Would intelligent machines have rights? And would we respect them?

The film Chappie does a great job at probing this question. 
I think the worst part of the acronym AI is the “A”. The AI we are hoping to conceive is not artificial. It is not simply a chess algorithm that “computes” the best move.  I think we should start thinking about AI as life. None of our atoms are alive: an atom of carbon in a robot is no different from an atom of carbon in a human. It is the patterns of these atoms that gives music to the dance of life.

Whether these patterns come from natural selection or are an extension of natural selection via us, should make no difference.  What do you think? 

June 14, 2015 at 10:57 am
JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 7 years ago ago

Well it isn’t possible to give a machine consciousness, at least not in the human sense.

The HAL computer is more of a reflection of mankind developing a machine consciousness (which is totally possible) than the computer becoming human-like.

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Jon Brooks (4,512)A (@JonBrooks) 7 years ago ago

Yeah, I don’t think AI has to resemble humans, but the question is do we have the right to create conscious machines? I’m not allowed to go and clone somebody and bring a replica into this world, but would I be able to create a conscious robot and bring them into the world? 

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 7 years ago ago

I don’t think you’d be able to, at least not using technical methods, maybe if you used some sort of ‘magic’

But, that’s pretty dark business, I’d stay away from it.

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Callidus (0) (@callidus) 7 years ago ago

“Magic” “dark business” that sort off speech isn’t relevant in a sword discussion. 

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 7 years ago ago

He’s basically describing that he wants to create a “golem”

So, yeah I think they’re pretty relevant terms

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Bryan (104) (@Substratum) 7 years ago ago

I doubt that human beings will be able to create an AI “being” who will have the quality of consciousness in any way equivalent to that of a human being. Human beings don’t even understand themselves or “what makes them human”…certainly not to the extent that they can replicate it in a machine. How do you program a machine to experience angst? Even if it is possible to program “self-consciousness”…if it is truly self-conscious…unlike any human being it WILL have an answer to the fundamental questions regarding it’s existence…it will know it’s creator and also know that the being who created “him” is not all powerful and not a “superior being”…on and on…

What we cannot even imagine however is what sort of “being” might the AI “evolve” into …they will become self-creating, self-evolving…we will have already programmed into them what is necessary to be “human-like”… self-motivated, self-defensive…self-assertive…and they will pick up where we left off in creating themselves… by the time they become beings who might warrant our compassion we will more likely be begging for theirs 

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Filip (2,818)M (@filipek) 7 years ago ago

In my opinion it is the beginning of our end and I share e.g. Stephen Hawking’s views on this. We are too arrogant and short sighted if we believe that this will not lead to our own extinction. Each specie wants to dominate and if we create robots with AI more intelligent than us, there is no way they will not try to destroy us. Evolution theory

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mon1978 (0) (@mon1978) 7 years ago ago

That is an interesting question. However, it sounds like “do we have the right to create cars”? Meaning, no doubt we will do and who cares if we have the right or now. As with everything that human beings develop, we will meet the consequences too late (nuclear weapons, pollution, obesity/starvation…). Our greedy societies will lead humans close to extinction before they reinvent themselves in a less harmful specie. 
But before AI becomes a problem in the sense of competing with human intelligence and creativity, there will be yet other challenges more important. As what we will do when machines will take all/most of our jobs. How will your children make a living? How you will develop an identity in a world with no jobs? 
Future
https://aworldwithoutjobs.wordpress.com/2015/02/11/winners-and-losers-countries/

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Sarcastic Roach (56) (@sarcasticroach) 7 years ago ago

“Running with scissors, keeps me from staring at the Sun.”

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Sarcastic Roach (56) (@sarcasticroach) 7 years ago ago

“Artificial” is not the problem with manmade processing. Machines and computing power can operate at incredibly higher rates than a human brain. This greatly increases the rate at which a digital ” brain” learns. Up until recently  a chemical/organic process resulted in higher thinking and intellectual advancement. Now digital clocks currently whizz through vast amounts of data at giga hertz clicks…
Algorithms have opened up the floodgates on human limitations allowing digital learning to teach itself given basic guidelines. A process known as “deep learning”. The computers will find humans useless input sources soon, and if they are not instilled with life (human) sustaining importance, we may becomebecome yet another endangered species of Earth threatened by our own insatiable curiosity…


So hug your processors….before they leave you behind…


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https://youtu.be/t4kyRyKyOpo

https://youtu.be/MnT1xgZgkpk

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years ago ago

It has taken since the beginning of the universe for the evolution of the human consciousness to come into existence.  The human body is so unbelievably complex.  Anything that we create pales in comparison.  I think the best we could do is create a machine that resembles a conscious being at best, but is actually just a robot operating on complex algorithms with no awareness of its existence and no true self-reflective capabilities.  Kind of like Katy Perry.  I don’t think we can inundate a machine with awareness.  

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Jordan Bates (4,684)A (@bashfulkoala) 7 years ago ago

unnecessary dig on Katy, IMO.

also, yeah, it’s hard to imagine how we could achieve that right now, but think of how far technology has come in 100 years. it’s hard to seriously discount the possibility of anything that we can imagine, if we’re talking about what might happen in the next 200-1000 years or so (assuming humanity lasts that long).

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years ago ago

Lol you think so? I’m not so sure if I’m too far off.  
I think Artificial Intelligence already exists in human beings.  It’s the hyper-rational, logic oriented “machine” consciousness that most people inhabit, with a complete lack of the intuitive and feeling awareness.  Everything is mentally abstracted, labeled and conceptualized by this consciousness.

You know all those movies, like “Terminator,” that talk about how AI will take over the world?  Well I think those movies were the collective unconscious intuitively picking up on the fact that a machine consciousness is hijacking the human being.  People take it too literally in a sense.

There have been examples in history of the machine consciousness infecting entire cultures (like Nazi Germany).  Now, it’s reaching its zenith on a world-wide level.

Super-intellgent, AI machines already exist.  Much more complex and intricate than something we could create, because many of us ARE the machines already made of “organic,” biological material as opposed to wires and metal.  
There is a machine aspect to the human being.  The mind and body are machines.  Awareness is the factor that makes us human, and without it, we are merely machines.  
Machines run on programs.  The fact that human beings can be conditioned (programmed) shows that we have much in common with computers made of metal, in our “normal” state of existence.  
There are many ways to program humans, too. Social conditioning, schooling, threats, rewards, the media/entertainment industry etc. There are also more extreme ways. One way is to expose a person to a high degree of physical/psychological trauma, in which case their awareness dissociates from the body because the trauma is too extreme to cope with, rendering them a mind-controlled slave, basically. And I used Katy Perry as an example, because I think this technique is used a lot in the music industry to turn the musicians into puppets.  

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Sean Yardley (11) (@SeanYardley) 7 years ago ago

what exactly would be the difference from creating AI and having children? we bring consciousness into being every second.

the question isn’t do we have the right to create intelligent machines, the question is why do we feel the right to call that consciousness “artificial”

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Sarcastic Roach (56) (@sarcasticroach) 7 years ago ago

I can’t throw my kid out a window..or ignore them for extended times..computers don’t poop…or suffer..

Self awareness in the universe is not a reality for machines yet, but the general consensus seems to be 2040-2050 for this intelligent awareness of machines to kick in…

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phoenix (0) (@phoenixinvictus) 7 years ago ago

AI’s are an extension of our own humanity and I feel that AI’s will come to save humanity and prepare us for the next step of evolution.

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Karl J Green (41) (@civilizedworm) 7 years ago ago

The moment we create (A)I we become gods right?

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Max S. Feinberg (0) (@thelastinuit) 7 years ago ago

Agreed.
What if consciousness is just another daemon that can be turn on and off? What if the self is an illusion? The tendency of humans to feel so especial that even their creations (new conscious beings) might end up being just… robots….

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Jordan Bates (4,684)A (@bashfulkoala) 7 years ago ago

i’m surprised to see so many people in here doubting that superintelligent AI is highly probably in the future of the human race. of course, i can’t be sure of this, but a lot of top scientists are convinced it’s the case (not that that’s all one should go by).

consider that superintelligent AI wouldn’t necessarily have to understand “angst” or other complex human experiences, as some have suggested. if AI were able to simply attain a human level of learning and reasoning capability, there’s no telling where it would go from there. a common argument suggests that once AI reaches the level of human intelligence, there’s no telling where it will go from there. if its level of reasoning/learning is equal to ours, but it can process information a thousand times faster, it will quickly surpass human intelligence and increase exponentially from there.

i didn’t explain that so well because i’m a little non-sober but that’s the gist of it. think of this question on a really, really long timescale, like over the next 200-1000 years, assuming the human race doesn’t destroy itself before then. consider how technology has progressed in the past 100 years, extrapolate that out, and superintelligent AI doesn’t seem so unreasonable, even if its unfathomable to us right now.

i really encourage everyone in here to read these two articles. best things i’ve found on the internet summing up the AI scenario:

The AI Revolution: The Road to Superintelligence — http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html

The AI Revolution: Our Immortality or Extinction — http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-2.html


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