Do we live in order to die?

Avery (@arijos0222) 8 years, 1 month ago

As of the past recent weeks, I have been struggling with uncertainty. I feel as if anything we do in this world does not even matter in the slightest. Our planet is a dust speck in the midsts of billions of other dust specks. How are our lives significant in the slightest if we just live, work, get old, and die?

October 17, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Blankh (21) (@nicnac) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Pretty Much. To get some joy from life, we just distract ourselves throughout it as my good friend put it.

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Elizabeth (5) (@itselizabeth) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

One ant is not at all significant in it’s colony. The colony doesn’t need the ant. The ant, however, is perfectly happy. It likes to do its job and benefit the hive. In the same way, the feeling you have right now is holding you back. Think of life in specifics, not in generals. Sure, we all live and die, but it’s the journey that makes it all worth it. Joy, I have found, is in the small stuff.

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Avery (5) (@arijos0222) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

What do you think will make life worthwhile?

These thought have been bothering me immensely, swaying my decisions to even change career paths.

I originally intended to do finance and investment banking but i’m not so sure anymore.

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Sandy (115) (@sandman) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222, I have always had a skeptical mind and was trained as a scientist. That being said, in the past few years I’ve seen enough evidence to suggest that reincarnation is real, which opens up a broader cosmology that says 1) Earth is just one place among many, 2) our souls live on through many incarnations, 3) it is significant the choices we make and the relationships we have, and 4) our knowledge and experience is cumulative.

If you are interested, check out what these hard-headed, Western-science-trained skeptics each discovered:
Dr. Brian Weiss – Many Lives, Many Masters
Michael Newton – Journey of Souls
Dr. Jim Tucker – Life Before Life: Children’s Memories of Previous Lives

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

you live because you have to

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stonedragon (143) (@stonedragon21) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@sandman, i agree with you that lives have been lived many times and i have proof of it, as one of my sons remembered his past life and told me about it in detail until he was seven. we then went to the places he talked about and found out all of it was true ,even many strange details.
so even if reincarnation exists the same question is being posed. why the hell do we have to go thru all this suffering and pain, and sometimes joy and happiness.
what is it all for, and who are we on this spek of dust and who gives a damn?? in this life or in the next or the last.
the only thing i can think of that matters to me is LOVE..
what do you think of that for a reason to live?

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Anonymous (127) (@) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@bono95zg, i agree with you.

It doesn’t matter why we live, because we do anyway.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222,

Your post reminds me of this:

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/75/60/756051_890510.jpg

In case the image is unreadable, it says:

Go to work. Get married.
Have some kids. Pay your taxes.
Pay your bills. Watch your tv.
Follow Fashion. Act Normal.
Obey the law and repeat after me:
I am free.

We live/exist in order to experience and grow. Most of the things we do aren’t very meaningful and distract us from the deeper aspects of life. We have to push those things to the side and actually start “living” life, instead of “sustaining” a system.

These are some other things I have seen around HE lately that you might vibe with and find helpful.

What do you think about David Icke?


Contemplating the after-life


http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/4ClwCD/www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg.html%3Cbr/%3EAn

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Avery (5) (@arijos0222) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@sandman, Thank you for the insight.

I think most of my frustration comes from the majority of people not even seeing the world the way I do. It’s really painful to just see people accept the world the way it is without questioning it.


@monkeyzazu
, Thanks for the detailed post. I really enjoyed the video.

Do any of you struggle with these same thoughts?

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Brett (39) (@brett) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

just use your brain and have fun. you have any amazing computer in your head, play with it

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Mark (16) (@mfowler73) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

I don’t think we would be anymore significant if we were the only “speck of dust” in the universe. I believe our significance comes in realizing our insignificance. I don’t think our actions matter much or at all in the scheme of eternity, other than the fact that we are part of it. I think it is incredibly significant that for whatever reason out of the billions of years the universe has existed I am here right now and it is my turn to be alive. That is enough for me and when you realize that you understand there is nothing important you can do other than appreciate that you are part of it [email protected],

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Ben (62) (@Mallorn) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222, we don’t live “in order to” do anything, you can think of reasons to do things, but no game master gave you life. its pure chance.

by being the only thing with sovereignty over your mind and body, you’re the only one who can give your life a purpose. And yes, we all struggle with such questions. existential crises, one of the curses of being mortal and having such a consciousness that we have. all you can do is think through it: I have no extrinsic purpose, i was made for no reason, but here i am.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222, you are significant to yourself. you live because you live, and next the trick is to do what you want with it, before others try to lay claim to your one existence. you really can’t live without a purpose, because if you don’t come up with your own, others will make one for you, and chances are you will hate it, you will feel insignificant because it will not be your true desire. that’s where i am, presently. finding my purpose.

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Avery (5) (@arijos0222) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Thank you for all the great responses. I really like what @mfowler73 had to say and the way he put things. I remember reading somewhere that the chances of being born are 1 in 400 trillion, which is pretty much an impossible probability.

Talking about this topic here has really relaxed me. I thank all of you for your time and your responses, each one was GREATLY appreciated.

Here’s a song to thank all of you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TjCRMNj4iw

:-)

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

We need to know what it is to be alive before we even ponder the matter. Using our physical senses and intelligence won’t answer anything for us.

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Psychonaut (133) (@psychonaut) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222,
We do not live in order to die. Rather, it is the very notion of being-towards-death that enables us to live. The impermanence; temporality, is what creates life. I speak of being as in the beings of Being; a Heideggarian concept.
In being-towards-death we are in the face of anguish. To understand what i mean by anguish I recommend reading some existentialist thought; such as Kierkegaard, Sartre, or De Beauvoir.

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Psychonaut (133) (@psychonaut) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@bono95zg, Why is suicide not an option for you?

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222, You being here, amongst this expansive, vast, potentially infinite universe(s) is enough for it to be significant. You by questioning this if it is significant is making it not significant. Look around you. You’re distracting yourself by yourself, dancing with yourself, internally and externally.

You are a talking monkey flying through space, realize this by simply looking at everything you experience at face value. Accept what is and watch.

The funny thing is too is that death can bring you life. Indeed that is how there is life, through death. Death and birth is life, the three are not separate. Die before you die, let go of the concept of you as whoever, surrender to the nothingness that you are.

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Sandy (115) (@sandman) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@stonedragon21, Amazing about your son! Have you read Carol Bowman’s books? She writes on the subject.

I just finished a professional training for Past Life Regressions with Dr. Brian Weiss, and I’m developing a TV series about validating past life memories.

Yes, it is all about LOVE on the deepest level. But there’s an intermediate level of meaning that I think is useful. This is the cosmology as I understand it:

We all came from a source, a kind of big, bright, loving sun or God or whatever you want to call it. From that source, countless energies—souls—separated into individual identities. Each of us is one of those.

We explore and participate in life, incarnated on places like Earth, in order to have experiences, to learn and grow, even in our limited capacity. The one thing an omniscient source can’t know is ignorance, and with it, limitation, fear, unknowing, surprise. When you exist outside of time, you must make a concerted choice to live linearly, from the start to the finish. It’s like having all the pages of a book spread out in front of you, but we choose to read them in a certain order, to have the experience of the story unfolding.

We are on an arctic expedition full of deprivation, disconnection, and suffering…but also growth, joy, revelation, and love. We each chart our own path through many lifetimes, to evolve spiritually. Eventually we reach a level where we transcend this small existence and realize that we are all connected, there is no fear, there is no death. When we have learned our lessons, we are able to help others.

That’s the story as best I can make of it. It’s similar to what Neale Donald Walsch describes in his book “Conversations with God.” And here’s a link to a thought experiment by Alan Watts that references the same idea: http://www.scribd.com/doc/12737933/Cosmic-Drama-by-Alan-Watts

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stonedragon (143) (@stonedragon21) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@sandman, im very interested in your work sandy and want to know more about your findings. your explanation of why we are here sounds like something that i have always believed. right now im going thru a huge inner crisis and reading what your write makes sense to me in a profound and clear way…i love it. it helped me enormously all day and i read it a few times…
if you would like more info about my son and my story. we can be friends.. his story is very long and strange.

i will read the book of walsch that you are suggesting.
thanks for your input.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

We live, then we change form, or should I say we shed our skin. there is no death unless it is a Spiritual death that we create for ourself thru feeding only our ego’s and denouncing the higher forms of our own existence. Just a thought.

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Tim W. (23) (@phoggy) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222, Live to Create. There is no other purpose or reason for life other than this. You can create a life full of all the meaning that you want for it, or you can choose to create a life that is meaningless and completely separate from your surrounding world. However, if you go down past the smallest atomic particle of an atom, there is a unified field of energy which gives “birth” to each particle. At this level, everything is One. Because all matter, at the atomic level, is equal. You only EXPERIENCE that you are insignificant and separate from everything, but because of this field of energy that you cannot see, but is just as real as electricity, you are not.

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lifegamer (28) (@lifegamer) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@monkeyzazu, Loved the vid…thanks for the share there! :)

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lifegamer (28) (@lifegamer) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222, Sweetness, if you honestly feel insignificant, dysfunctional, unadjustable, unsustainable…You have the means to change your present ‘status’, much like a Facebook page…Post a new pic, or delete your profile entirely, yes? Yet, even if you chose to chuck your story/delete yourself, you are still ‘in there’, just not seen by those who are not skilled with system’s programming (the Nature of stuff)…See? :)

It gets verrry boring being ‘Almighty’ all the time, thus Creation is simply for “shits & giggles”…And ya gotta admit, Humanity’s idiosyncrasies provide grand comic relief…even to Ourselves. Find the funny…be fun…Laughter truly is the best medicine. :D

I’ve been following the word “Amazing” for the last 2 years…Wherever I see this word, I go with it. I have yet to cease in being Amazed of this journey. Just a thought…Hope it rings yer Soul Sounds. Blessings to finding your groove. <3

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@psychonaut, but before i kill myself i had to live. i couldnt prevent it from happening. :P

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