Do we live in order to die?

Avery (@arijos0222) 8 years, 1 month ago

As of the past recent weeks, I have been struggling with uncertainty. I feel as if anything we do in this world does not even matter in the slightest. Our planet is a dust speck in the midsts of billions of other dust specks. How are our lives significant in the slightest if we just live, work, get old, and die?

October 17, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Filip (2,818)M (@filipek) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222, We live to reproduce, to spread our genes. That is the only purpose, to continue existence in eternity. As human beings we die, but by reproducing and spreading our genes, they continue to live until the point that we stop reproducing. And even then, life will continue to exist.

But apart from that there is no meaning and purpose in life. And you know what the beauty of this is? That we can all give our own purpose to it. You have the choice to fill in your life how ever you want to, is that not beautiful?

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Sandy (115) (@sandman) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@stonedragon21, I’m glad what I wrote helped in some way. This past year has been revelatory for me, and my understanding about the way things work has changed my outlook dramatically.

Neale Donald Walsch and Alan Watts are both cheeky rather than reverent, so be prepared for that. Brian Weiss and Michael Newton came from very Western/science backgrounds, so for me it’s fun to watch them get pulled from the analytical to the mystical.

About your son, I am only documenting stories from the beginning of the story (in other words, we film people having a past life regression, then film the research and follow-up) so we can tell the entire story from start to finish without recreations or references to things we don’t have on camera.

But Carol Bowman collects stories of children’s spontaneous past life memories. I suggest you contact her. I imagine there’s a whole community of parents who have experienced similar things, too.

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Amanda (12) (@amandaglinghammar) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222, We continue to live because of the short seconds of pure happiness that life sometimes gives us. They may not be many and they may be very short, but the kick is like nothing else on this planet, and that’s why we are still here, because we are junkies, striving to get another kick of happiness.

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CaoimheS (135) (@caoimhesweeney) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222, We live in order to live. We die in order to finish living.

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stonedragon (143) (@stonedragon21) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@sandman, i saw alan watts give a talk when i was a teenager.he was cheeky then too. i will check out the others and write to you more about my son.his story is quite strange indeed….

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Anonymous (328) (@) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222, Yes. That is reality. What’s one thing that you love doing that will contribute to changing this fucked up status quo before you die? If everything is so pointless, so then shouldn’t it just be cakewalk?

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Avery (5) (@arijos0222) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@amandaglinghammar, “[…] …and that’s why we are still here, because we are junkies, striving to get another kick of happiness.”

Probably one of the single best sayings I have ever heard.

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Lionheart (15) (@TigerRush) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

You guys are putting way too much emphasis on this thing called happiness, the short few seconds, the kick of happiness. Doing so can lead you a dangerous path indeed, it is best to enjoy the range of emotions the good and the bad ying and yang. By doing so we can integrate joy in every situation not just those so called brief moments. I think we live in order to live as I begin to understand the very strong possibility of a recarnation or a potential variation of it I begin to understand that this is just a ride/trip/phase like all the others and I don’t think theirs any too deep meaning except the meaning of everything that is life itself. @arijos0222, I guess you’re right though I guess on a base level we are so insignificant but it’s only ego that you feel the way you do about it.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222, Death is an illusion, we live in an infinite universe, as such there are infinite opportunities for you to exist, cease to exist and exist yet again. Each of us will spend an infinite amount of time in non-existence just as we will each spend an infinite amount of time in existence, because probability in the infinite demands it.

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@trek79, life is illusion not death :P

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@bono95zg, There is existence and non-existence, it is only within existence that we can have any illusions at all :)

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Fernando (68) (@fercgomes) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Every time I caught myself in these thought, I always end up thinking: Wait a sec… does worrying about it change something? Then answer will always be no.

There is one certain thing for us, we will die. Someday, somehow. If you knew you would never die, you will keep living forever, would you still want to do things like now? Knowing that you would have an infinite amount of time to do it? Death is what keeps us alive, it is what makes the contrast with life. We think life as a duality, always with two sides, black and white, light and darkness, life and death, good and evil, God and devil. What we often fail to see is how essential they are to each other, they are extreme poles of the same thing. Think in a magnet, you have a north pole and a south pole, if you cut them in the middle, you will have 2 piece with a new north pole in one, and a new south pole in another. Alan Watts says it perfectly: How would you know you’re alive unless you had once been dead?

Responding to your question: Yes, we do live in order to die, and that is what makes us alive.

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Fernando (68) (@fercgomes) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Just something else to complement:

”The precious uniqueness which the human individual claims is conferred on him not by possession of an immortal soul but by possession of a mortal body. If death gives life individuality and if man is the organism which represses death, then man is the organism which represses his own individuality.”
– Norman O. Brown, Life Against Death

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fucksake (26) (@fucksake) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@arijos0222, i enjoy knowing that none of this matters. it makes me feel free

idk, do something fun ? I jerk off ….. and ride my bike :D

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Avery (5) (@arijos0222) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Do any of you know your personality types? Are you logical thinkers, analytical thinkers, practical thinkers, etc.

I know i’m an INFP type personality, and I was a bit skeptical but when I read it, it sounded 100% exactly like me.

Here’s the part that stood out:

” INFP’s. They see potential for a better future, and pursue truth and meaning with their own individual flair. They are often concerned with a search for meaning and truth within themselves.”

This really captured my attention, because this pretty much explains why I would even come onto this website and post such a question on here.

http://www.truity.com/infp

What kind of thinkers are you?

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@trek79, i was thinking it more like we dont exist. that our consciousness is illusion. :P

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Anonymous (18) (@) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Lana del rey thinks so.

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Anonymous (18) (@) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

I guess since we all eventually die, you could say that. But we all die for different reasons which would make me assume we all live for separate reasons too. Why do we die? Why were we born ?

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@bono95zg, Perhaps the only difference between existence and non-existence is the ability to form illusions?

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Anonymous (0) (@) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

One comfort is always that there are others out there with similar existential crisies, which can otherwise make you feel extremely lonely.
These are some lines that always comforts me when I’m in doubt :

“Turn off your mind relax and float down stream
It is not dying, it is not dying

Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void,
It is shining, it is shining.

Yet you may see the meaning of within
It is being, it is being

Love is all and love is everyone
It is knowing, it is knowing

And ignorance and hate – MAY – mourn the dead
It is believing, it is believing

But listen to the colour of your dreams
It is not leaving, it is not leaving

So play the game “Existence” to the end
Of the beginning, of the beginning”

These are of course the lyrics of “tomorrow never knows” by The Beatles, originally inspired by the book “the psychedelic experience” by Timothy Leary, Ram Dass and Ralph Metzner which is next on my to-read-list.

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@trek79, nonlife also exists and it doesnt form illusions :P

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

every form of life just gives illusion of being alive. nothing is alive.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@bono95zg, Ah, but how do you know the existence of non-life is not an illusion forged by the perceiver? May be because independent perceivers all perceive it independently, but perhaps that independence is an illusion also?

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Avery (5) (@arijos0222) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Pretty sure that we are all one conscious. After all, how do you explain instinct and intuition?

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@trek79, but these perceivers have to exist somewhere, in some realm. now lets say that nonlife is just our illusion. why do i see that illusion? and why do i see like this why not like something else? why do i think the way i think? why do i even exist there in that realm?

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