Do we live in order to die?

Avery (@arijos0222) 8 years, 3 months ago

As of the past recent weeks, I have been struggling with uncertainty. I feel as if anything we do in this world does not even matter in the slightest. Our planet is a dust speck in the midsts of billions of other dust specks. How are our lives significant in the slightest if we just live, work, get old, and die?

October 17, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

@bono95zg, The perceivers do not have to exist somewhere, sanity and reality demand that we accept that there are other perceivers, but that does not make it so. It reminds me of Descartes; You can deny that anything you perceive is an illusion but you cannot deny that you are perceiving in the first place. But maybe you can, maybe the illusion is that we are perceiving, that it runs deeper than cognisance?

So the only difference between existing and not existing is the illusion that we are existing, but that difference in itself proves there is something that can make that distinction evident. Nothing perceives nothing, not even itself, the illusion of perceiving at least needs something to separate it from nothing, otherwise it is just nothing.

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

@trek79, i like this ‘maybe the illusion is that we are perceiving’. thats what i was trying to say in my own way haha.

‘So the only difference between existing and not existing is the illusion that we are existing’. if you meant it like this ‘only difference between my existence and my non existence is the perceiving that i exist’ then i agree. ‘but that difference in itself proves there is something that can make that distinction evident’. well when we exist, that illusion of perceiving exists with us so we can perceive our existence. we cant perceive our nonexistence since we wont exist then. but we know its there because reality existed before me, only now i can perceive it.

‘Nothing perceives nothing, not even itself, the illusion of perceiving at least needs something to separate it from nothing, otherwise it is just nothing.’ well some things also perceive nothing, not even them themselfs :P

‘The perceivers do not have to exist somewhere’. i dont get it. so you exist nowhere?

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

@bono95zg, “i dont get it. so you exist nowhere?” To me I exist because I am perceiving, but I have no objective way to verify that you exist, even if you make conclusions that I don’t, tell me and I confirm them, this does not prove that you exist, it suggests that you exist but does not absolutely confirm it. The entire phenomena may be an extension of myself, but some how my perception is selective and it appears to me that there is a separation between you and I.

There is this theory to consider; Perhaps God got so bored with his existence, there is no adventure left to him as he knows everything, can have anything, so he decides that he will create a world that he can experience but he has to erase his own memory so that he can be surprised, that adventure can exist.

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

@trek79, mind blown haha. its possible, but to my mind less likely :P

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