Do we need morality?

 Anonymous (@) 7 years, 9 months ago

What purpose does morality serve, other than limiting truly free action?

December 26, 2013 at 8:01 am
Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

allowing humans to live in big societies and work together

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

in what sense? isn’t the free life better?

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

without moral you wouldnt have society (try to figure out why, if you cant ill help you :) ), hence everything you now have. you are free to leave from society. you decide what best for you.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

er.. onlty scared people need @[email protected]

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

i see morality something as social agreement/contract.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

The way I see it, humanity is too complex, and each individual too self-interested, to have “common morals”.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I agree. The way things are today, without morality and ethics, things would be a little crazy.

And @desifemilove, some actions need to be limited, that is some actions shouldn’t be free to do just whenever. Something that I recently heard about was this new thing some kids are doing now a days. It’s where they just walk up to random people on the street and try to punch them hard enough to where they knock em out? Pretty fucked up. One kid who tried this actually got shot and killed because of it.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

morality is anything one makes it, who determines the wrong?

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I hear what your saying. There are a lot of views and perspectives you could take on all of this. We could get really deep in everything. Each person has their own version of what’s wrong and right, their own individual morals. And what’s wrong for one person, might be not be seen as wrong by another. That’s why we talk about and discuss the ethics of everything so that we can come to common grounds on what’s universally wrong and right for everyone, and each individual living in a certain system. It all depends on the system. For example, this monetary system we live in is pretty limiting and very restricting if you don’t have a lot of income. In regards to it, I agree with what your saying.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

eh? you mentioned people attacking others at random, so I thought “so what?” if they chose to do it, it’s their own business.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Yea, but what do you do when another person’s actions start to effect your own way life? Your own well being? You wanna stop them and the people like them, so no one else has to endure that kind of stuff.

I always think to myself “What right do I have to stop another person’s actions?” “Who am I to say that their actions are in the right or wrong.” What makes me an authority figure, ya kno? It’s just some of the shit people do pisses me off enough to where I’m compelled do something about it.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Human beings are free to act in any way we please. Hence why morals and even laws hold no place. If people “piss you off” ever, then you need anger management, if anything.

As far as I am concerned, the world is a free for all.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I kinda like your disposition on everything :) All this is understood logically, maybe, but emotionally I don’t know.

If everyone was above good and bad, right and wrong, realized how relative everything is to our emotions, and overcame them, I do think things would be a little better. Not implying that we should completely ignore our feelings. If you love something, express it. If you feel something is wrong, do something about it. But if we just saw the bigger picture of everything, raised our vibrations to a more objective view, morals and ethics wouldn’t be that important. They would be more intuitive in a sense.

But at the level humanity’s at right now, I think they’re needed.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

It’s not about intuition. it’s about doing as one pleases without a limit, because that’s the price of being a sapient being.

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Zhaetur (89) (@zhaetur) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I believe the idea of morality is inherently wrong however also necessary. Humans by nature want to help each other; however, we have learned not to through the ways we’re raised. In theory, we shouldn’t need morality as helping each other was an intrinsic part of human evolution. Back in the day everyone helped everyone as it helped the tribe survive as a whole. I’m sure you’ve all noticed this isn’t the case anymore.

I believe morality is an attempt to return us to our natural way of being. It seems limiting to us because it’s compulsory and we’re raised to think it’s unnatural; however, this is the opposite of how things actually worked; the way people are raised today is anything but natural. As a result, we wouldn’t feel limited by our desires to help each other but empowered by them.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Hmm.. well I think once one is grown, s/he should be fully developed to do as s/he pleases. I believe it’s the church who instills “morals” and the need for it.

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iamhedonism (1) (@iamhedonism) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

We do not need it per say.. People will naturally gravitate towards things that share their perceptions, regardless of morality or not..

Ethics are better than morality because morality in this context is deemed to be from a ”higher” source. Ethics are generally more socially congruent ideas, based upon the culture you abide in.

None are universal..

We all have inherit biological directives but they vary as well; depending upon our genetic makeup.

We live in an odd delusion that without morality/ethics; we will become raping, murdering whack-jobs. Which in actuality, like many things in life the opposite is true.

Once people are allowed to level out most are relatively mundane.

They usually only seek physical, emotional and social pleasure. Harming someone and it causing pleasure; isn’t actually hardwired into most brains.

http://iamhedonism.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/affirming-pleasure/

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I disagree. I don’t see why “harming others” must be deemed wrong.

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inna (95) (@paintedbeings) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

please do elaborate

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

People can do the hell what they want in life.

There is no such thing as “true authority”, despite God, if one believe he exists of course…

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Anonymous (21) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

This is my romantic notion:
Morality is a step (some times not) towards a free amoral society. If you live in community with others you need a set of ground rules until there comes a time when the values become so common sense that you don’t need this set of rules anymore, because in this scenario it would be self evident. The problem is, we live in a very big world, dived in a bazilion pockets, all self regulating and trying to impose their regulation on the other groups. This is why most people feel chained to a set of values they don’t really agree on but have to live up to. They were never invited to discuss such values.. that’s how it has been over the centuries, we learn from our forefathers and only change something when said thing is made to seem convinient.

In the persnal life one does not need it. But when it comes to living in group we do need. Unless your group is really small and smart enough to see through it. But probably you would still be subject to some state or something. Besides even living in a harmonious group we would still need basic rules. If you want a life with zero moral go live in the woods away from everyone and be free there. We are born from other beings, and learn how to continue from them. Life is social. If we just spawned in the middle of nowhere I guess we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

Agreeing with me, you would realize it is kind of futile to feel bad about it. Thats how it is and it is not going to change overnight. All I hope to do is plant in my genaration a seed for this idea of mine to spread in the future ones. I hope to one day live in a small closed community with people I can agree with, so we can create what should become a new culture and later spread it.

So basically if won’t do to others what you don’t wish upon yourself, I don’t think morality impedes freedom at all. Just choose you own morality, what suites you. Remember the golden rule.

I am inclined to believe one does have a differentiation between what is good and what is bad for one, But wouldn’t this be just another prison? Bottom line is you could be totally free if you liked, but are you aware of what that implies? No, seriously, what it really implies… mindfucking. It would be like going back to blank. believing in nothing, being nothing, nothing being. Boom. I guess.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

IMO, morality impedes freedom since an able human does as he pleases without restraint. Rules are fine, but then they suck.

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Anonymous (30) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

If you believe in truly free action, there’s your own set of morals right there! It’s just a set of beliefs you hold that govern your actions. Morals are only limiting to those who have limiting morals.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

My own view is that morals don’t exist. Can they be proven to?

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Suereyya (164) (@drapetomania) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Lol you’re such a troll. Anyway.

Let’s make this clear first:
Laws are mostly based on the society’s view of morality; e.g. don’t kill, steal etc.

Now, imagine those things didn’t exist. There’s a farmer that possesses a big piece of land where he can grow wheat or whatever he needs in order to take care of himself. Then there’s those who don’t have the needed amount of land to feed their family; they will eventually kill the farmer and claim his possessions.

This is exactly the reason why morality and therefore laws exist; so that you will not have to fear for your life because you own more than others/own what they want. Hence, In return for the security given by the government, yes, you will have to sacrifice some of your freedom, since not being able to do whatever you want whenever you want is a limitation of your possibilities. It’s like a social contract.

I admit that morals are only obligatory when you live in a society. Without them, it would be impossible to live together peacefully.

If you’re actually interested in those things and care about extending your horizon, I suggest you look at this. Yes, I like to cite my sources.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/soc-cont/ Theories from Rousseau, Hobbes and Locke.

G’day.

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