I just seriously had a 2-3 hour debate with some friends over here. I have no idea what I believe, one dude is hardcore Christian, the other believes is a Christian, too, but is more open minded. I have to admit during the conversation I started to get a little scared of going to a ‘hell’. But at the same time I don’t think I could bring myself to believe that God would create something so terrible.
I’ve heard that we are all God, everything is God, the trees, planets, universe, etc. All in one. But we are experiencing everything differently.
Then there is the one almighty God.
…And multiple Gods.
Every argument we had we both counter acted back at each other pretty well. We’ve all had some religious experiences whether it be dreams or ‘signs’ from God. But at the same time I could argue with the mind is just that powerful to make you think you were talking to God in a dream, or the laws of attraction could be what you’ve been praying for.
I’m so lost in my beliefs I don’t know where to turn. I’ve prayed, I just don’t know what to believe in anymore. The mind is pretty powerful and can play tricks on you, how do you even know this is all real? I bet I sound pretty crazy but I guess I am driving myself crazy by trying to find all these answers.
@kayla147258, Ask instead, why the fuck everyone thinks about the concept of God. Doesn’t matter your belief on the issue, but it does matter that everyone on this rock of a planet thinks about it. You don’t even have to be told about it, simple contemplation about life and the Universe would lead you to ponder God.
Hinduism and Buddhism together (both religions mind you) kind of cracked it open for me. Buddhism is about releasing yourself from these concepts (such as god) and Hinduism is quite straightforward with the idea that their 100s of gods are all illusions- a manifestation of an ultimate reality.
Some believe in God, because they feel that consciousness pervades all things, thus making the Universe itself a giant conscious entity.
It doesn’t really matter though. You can find god, or disprove god in anything. You can notice how all the sciences, arts, and anything can connect to this one idea..or you can notice how everything disproves the idea. Why do we think about the concept, is the most important question.
That being said- I guess I’m agnostic, or ignostic- whatever. Just more concepts I’m trying to get rid of, but it helps me communicate my ideas to people about it.
@xetado, That’s what I’m saying, and why would he create us in the first place if he’s a loving God and if he knew some of us would end up in permanent torture? Something doesn’t sound right about that.
Maybe God doesn’t exist but it’s just a concept, maybe ‘God’ is the universe working together as one.
I don’t know why it bothers me why I don’t know what to believe in…. :p
@kayla147258, Ask yourselves why you insist on only looking at one view of God. You realize there isn’t a heaven or hell in all religions? Some religions have 100s of gods, some religions have 0 gods, some religions have 1 god. WHY DOES THE CONCEPT EXIST?
@hollowinfinity, No, I’m not trying to only base God off of the Christian God, I’m trying to understand the different beliefs. But I see what you’re saying and I really don’t know why the concept does exist, Maybe it’s because it makes people feel better about a life after death?
I just wish I knew the truth, you know?
I wrote that a while ago. Check it out. Maybe you’ll find something interesting to you. The most you can do right now if you wanna seek the truth is learn. Be unbiased. Learn all of the religions. Id suggest Buddhism, Hinduism, Daoism for the more logical approach if that is what you are looking for.
Christianity is a religion based on many primitive religions before it. Read the story of Mithras and you’ll see Christianity is just as made up as the others.
Look, religion was made at a time when humans couldn’t answer questions with logical science and understanding of the world. They needed some way to quell the inquisitiveness and thus, religion was created. As Sam Harris says, all religions are failed sciences of the past.
Don’t worry, Christianity is meant to scare you into believing. Think about it, if the religion can’t make you believe by providing physical evidence, how else would you believe it.
@kayla147258, “why would he create us in the first place if he’s a loving God and if he knew some of us would end up in permanent torture? Something doesn’t sound right about that.”
Just because he allows pain to exist does not mean there is no God. He created free will for a reason, to let us make our own path in life.
I think everyone needs to seperate God and Religion. Religion is just the interpretation of humans of what they think God is, but they dont know shit about him really. Thats like asking an ant to describe Nuclear Fission; Just because the Ant’s version of what Nuclear Fission will be wrong doesnt mean that Nuclear Fission does not exist. In reality, God and religion have almost nothing to do with each other. The only thing they have in common is faith.
Faith, as a whole, has done more good for the human race then most other things. And faith in a God figure especially.
@lougrey, Well, yeah. I’ve read of plenty of things that Christianity copies, one being the story of Horus. I’ve just been debating with myself on if there’s a God, if he’s what we make him out to be and if there’s really a heaven, hell, or even afterlife.
@kayla147258, Its healthy. Keep going.
Interesting to note that these concepts pop up everywhere in the world, without other cultures influence. The story of a great flood is common, without even communication between different cultures. It’s quite amazing really.
God doesn’t have to be a person, a he, a thing, or anything. An idea is enough.
What gave me piece of mind is realizing just how important our imagination is. We created everything we are using right now, with our imagination. We are creators. We create fictional things like Unicorns that may not have any sort of validity in our physical world, but the concept sticks, and is just a part of our imagination as the computer I’m typing on right now.
@kayla147258, Let me help you with this. Heaven, hell, the after life are all man made creations to explain what happens when you die. You and I are way too young to be thinking about the Bible. I suggest you try to find the answer of life from science and then, when your older decide if you want to be a Christian or continue learning and questioning the after life.
@lougrey, “Too young to think about the bible”
Just..look at everything you just typed. -facepalm-
Computers are a freaking man-made invention too. So is fucking math, which science is built upon in many many many many many many cases. Jesus flippin Christ.
@kayla147258, Probably the same reason everyone has a concept of god, or perfection, or love, without communicating to each other. Joseph Campbell is a hero with his monomyth theory. Everything stems from this monomyth. The story of man’s struggle through life. The masks of God, The hero with 1000 faces. All works of pure art.
Water is also a very important part of life. Its one of the most amazing things in the entire Universe. Ice ages shape evolution, and floods shape geography.
“Spirituality does not consists of beliefs, it is existential curiosity.”
There is a lot of manipulation mixed in with religion. It has to do a lot with controlling the masses. I do agree with some aspects of religion though like morality but not all.
The spiritual way starts within us all.
Question in those you listen to.
Let go of the ego.
Follow your heart.
& when you learn..
“Be kind and lead the blind”
Peace be with you. @kayla147258,
@hollowinfinity, Here’s some logic for you. Scientist who understood scientific reasoning, logic, method, and physics created modern computers. Primitive humans who thought the Earth was flat made religion.
Oh and another thing, you can call this a “historical lesson” digital computers are binary based, analog computers are object based. Let’s see if you can understand the difference between the two and see which of your claims I just debunked.
Intelligence is not of the essence in some.
@lougrey, And I assume you think the Earth is round, right? No, its not. Its not flat either. You know, given the tools they had, they did a very good job at reasoning the Earth was flat. If science existed then, they wouldve had the same conclusion. There is only so much curve for every so many miles. It’s barely unnoticeable.
Computers, math, binary, everything you are using- MAN MADE FROM OUR IMAGINATION.
You really don’t notice-or maybe you refuse to knowledge- that many many many scientist actually believe in a god of sorts?
You act as though people in the past were a bunch of fucking morons. They had logic, and reasoning- they just didn’t have as much available to them, because knowledge takes time to accumulate. They did some truly amazing things back then..and you come along like “Science says they were idiots.” Science doesn’t even question the fucking existence of god.
“Intelligence is not of the essence in some.” – Obviously. <–
Put a scientist back over 2000 years ago and see if he can make a freakin computer with the tools available. Doesn’t mean he isn’t smart, or logical- its just impossible to do at the time, because computers take a lot of previous discoveries and steps before it IS possible. If they had the tools back then, I’m sure computers would’ve came about. When the information is there, it will be used. Regardless of what year it is, or was.
@hollowinfinity, Don’t assume anything about my knowledge of the Earth Alex. Earth isn’t actually a round, this is provable because gravity throughout the planet isn’t equal and fluctuates with the rotation [NASA].
Two, your logical fallacy. Yes these inventions are man made but, we’re not designing world religions based off of them.
Three, remember that history lesson, the first computer (an analog computer) was made in Mesopotamia about 3000 years ago known as the “abacus.”
Lastly, science doesn’t make them out to be idiots, it proves their logic and reasoning was wrong and led to many deaths and instances of chaos such as slavery. Oh here is a religius fact, Christianity condones slavery so, if you want to support this corrupt book then, I will have to “assume” your either a racist or just ignorant. Both are negative but, you’re one of them.
@lougrey, I can use google as well.
Your points are extremely biased. Is Christianity really the only religion you have found time to contemplate? If so, I really could care less what else you say. You don’t consider 4chan or even this website to be something similar to going to church? People follow rituals, accepted behavior, blah blah blah. The topic is just different, and religion doesn’t *always* need to contemplate the after-life or have a god.
Science hasn’t proven jack-shit about their reasoning or logic. If you think science even tried to ask if god exists, then you have no knowledge of science at all. Also, take a look at what logic even is. Ever heard of the Incompleteness Theorems?
Beginning in the second century, many masters, upon converting to Christ, began to release their slaves. Slavery was abolished in Great Britain after people began being converted to Christ under the preaching of John Wesley and George Whitefield. Most slaves were prisoners of war, did you know that? The law of Moses in fact served to regulate the care of slaves.
Oh wow, look at all that morality.
The bible never condoned slavery, its just mentioned. Or did you not actually read the bible, and you just like to bitch about it? the Bible never actually condones it. It rather gives slaves, both then and more recently, a spiritual basis for worth, dignity, equality, and hope to face difficult circumstances. In the end, at a deeper level, its position is clear.
Slaves weren’t even the same then as they were when blacks were slaves. IT WASN’T EVEN ABOUT RACE.
God–so much fucking facepalm everywhere.
@hollowinfinity, I don’t need Google, I have an education and facts from reliable sources such as NASA, NIDA, and the UN to name a few. There you go again with your assumptions, I only use Christianity because the post is based on the poster’s thoughts on Christianity.
The Bible claims the sons of Ham, Noah’s cursed son who mocked his drunk father, would be subservient to their brothers in the world. The Bible teaches people how to capture women as sex slaves as seen in with massive slaughters mentioned in the Bible. Yes P.O.W.s the same as the invaded African tribes.
Science has tried to determine a God but there isn’t any evidence to prove its existence. My points aren’t biased, I’m easily proving you wrong with simple, easy facts. My use of them is biased in that I want to prove you wrong and educate you but, the information is not.
Remember, Homosexuals are an abomination, women are subservient to men, Jews are specially chosen by the Christian God, and working on Saturday is a sin in this book of gradiose tales.
I am god, can you prove me wrong? It’s just a belief, a thought with emotion behind it. Nothing more. It inherently holds no more value then the thought “I am sitting down” except the amount of energy invested in it. Why people place so much energy on beliefs of such manner? Who knows why the mind tries to conceptually grasp the ungraspable, but it does.