Do you believe in the human race?
There’s been such a big demographic explosion in the last 50 years alone. There are people everywhere, there are opinions everywhere. There are wars, yet there are charities. There are useless and senseless deaths, murders, etc., yet we hear all of the time stories of people rescuing others in almost noble ways. There are people so stupid that they get awarded for removing themselves from the world and speeding up the process of natural selection (Darwin awards for those of you that haven’t heard of them), and yet our scientists are learning more and more every single day. So what I want to know, because I can’t figure it out for myself even after years of thinking about this, is whether or not there is hope for the human race? Can we come together and make a better and more amazing world? Or are we going to mess this up completely? Any thoughts, positive or negative, would be appreciated
@optimystic, Postulates make my day go reasonably. If I dissect the word ‘faith’ into parts, having faith in others (which is usually used for emphasizing trustworthiness) or others having faith in you (which is simple moral support) I’d disagree that there’s no way to prove that faith is right or wrong. As for having faith in something bigger than yourself, let’s say all life, there is need for it unless you’re indifferent to all life. Some say if you are indifferent to life, life is going to be indifferent to you. Those that believe in Karma mostly.
@stevenv “I do have faith mostly because of the internet and how easy it is to raise consciousness through it.” That’s one of the reasons why people don’t believe in the human race. Because of the internet. It’s easy to raise consciousness as it’s easy to spread anything else. Mainstream media, for example. The cause is always the same though, to bring people together for something.
One thing’s for certain. Subjectivity and truth can’t coexist.
From the Pandora’s Box all the evil of the world came into existence, yet out of the same box came Hope.
In general, each and everyone in world strive for a better life, and this is scientifically proven to be accelerated by working with other people. The internet allows such a collaboration to happen on a global scale.
Because ideas are being shared, issues are being considered and discussed, and intentionally obscure topics are being clarified, people are becoming more wise and educated, that alone paves the way for a better future.
Yes. I believe in the human race; they will hits walls, fall in pits, walk off cliffs but at the end of the journey they will always be better and smarter than they were before.
@epiphileon, I think that’s really interesting! I’m not so sure I agree though, I mean what would we be racing to? And aren’t evolutionary strategies working to help us be the best possible species we can be? I think it’s our own ignorance that would be holding us back rather than an evolutionary process that’s worked well for hundreds of thousands of years!
@fucksake, Your attitude’s amazing, seems super chill, but my problem with that is that I believe that life on earth is all i’m here for! can we make that life the best it can be? or will we accidentally ruin it?
@optimystic, we would realize too late that we’ve reached that point, which is why we need to start getting our shit together before we do! And by faith in things that exist I mean having faith that those existing things don’t mess everything up, not having faith that they exist because clearly they do. Now, I know that the very definition of faith is that it is belief held independently of reason or logic (I studied it in my philosophy class), but I’m going to refer to Clifford, who says that it’s wrong believe something upon insufficient evidence; our society can’t be built on believing things just because we “feel it”. We can’t have everyone living off concepts that are accepted as truths without first looking at the logic inherent in said truth! Hopefully that made sense aha
@eextreme, I love that, it was almost written like a poem, honestly.
I’m hearing a lot about how the internet will help to guide us to this ultimate destiny of rightness, and I really think that we as internet users can make this a reality!
@tommy2nd4th that makes me sad no joke, I wan’t to be able to believe in all of us!
@ginnyg, You’re for it to be the “best” life possible, everyone must have the same goals and desires, which isnt true. I think the bad makes the good even better, a perfect world would be the ultimate boredom. Good cannot exist without “evil”
@fucksake, well I mean it should always be some ultimate goal for everyone to better our planet and our society, regardless of everyone’s personal goals that are obviously important but more important to the single person than everyone on earth. It wouldn’t be boring because we would always be working hard to make it even better! Learn new things, experiences, etc.
@ginnyg, There would be no ‘good’ people if their were no ‘bad’ people too, there would just be people. And besides, if there was no ‘badness,’ how would we know what good is and be able to appreciate it? Their can be no good without bad and surely life with no ‘badness’ would become tiresome after a while.
@tommyd2nd4th, I have never understood the contrast arguement. example being that you have to have stupid to have smart, suffering is need for happyness. or the thought line that every thing being awesome, carefree, and fun would get old some how. seems like poor logic to me but meh.
@ginyg, As far as my opions on humanity this two links more or less sum it up nicely:
@grimghast, Well we can start by defining ‘bad’ and a quick google comes up with ‘of poor quality or low standard.’ What we should be asking is of poor quality compared to what? Surely ‘poor quality’ presupposes the idea of ‘good quality.’
@tommyd2nd4th, I follow you man, but still seems a bit of an oversimplication of things due to the subjective nature of value we project upon people, places, and things and gets further worked out by arguments about inherent efficiency of aforementioned categories.
Kind of an interesting logic loop then occurred to me though, made me consider said utopian concept, and I wondered to myself:
“would a generation of people born into a world where all basic needs were seen to, with no crime, and the choice to be as educated as they want and do anything they found fulfilling, be able to actually appreciate it without ever knowing the negative side of previous generations?”
“The other issue being though, that every evil act can trace its roots fundamentally to ignorance and needs not being met.”
“if you didn’t need to work, have money, worry about eating, or where you lived, being raised by a society that reinforced values of mutual respect, personal responsibility, and that valued intelligence, creativeness and collective prosperity, why would there even be any more negative anything?”
People want a peaceful existence. But we are always separating ourselves from everyone else. Different color, nationality, sex etc. Rather than recognize we are all human and consider the circumstances of our individual existences, we group things into categories of different. That is how hate perpetuates and continues to exist in an era of people who want “peace”. SO my question for a group of intelligent young men and women… can there be any similance of peace as a society, or is it best to be content with the peace we find in ourselves? In turn, I believe in me. Mankind constantly reassures me on it’s eventual decay.
@ginnyg, There is no doubt in my mind that there will be a revolution, a global change. A revolution in consciousness translated into reality. In fact, I know this is what is happening. I feel it in every inch of my bones and see it all around me. A lot of people say our generation lacks discipline, but I say fuck discipline. That requires someone or something “better” than you, which does not truly exist. It is all relative.
So yes, I have faith. And not faith as in something not real or tangible like the idea of god, but more of a trust in the current moment, the trust in you, right now, right here, and that it is all where it should. Otherwise where else would it be?
There is no “Too Late”. Being late is a relation. It is a thought form created in relation to a sought after result. So being late in this regard would point to something like: “too many animals die or people die until we realize we need to change”, right? Thing is the time needed to realize is exactly the time needed to realize. People often need to be at the brink of destruction to change, and then they learn to not redo the same mistakes again.
There is much “harshness” and “bad” things going on in our world, there is no doubt about it. If they are seen as what is, as purely neutral, or from a karma-perspective, some may argue otherwise. We need to be act immorally to know what moral is.
The duality of life is everywhere, nothing can exist without the opposite. It’s yin and yang Love-fear, open-closed, dead-alive etc. So humanity are doing all those “bad” deeds until we come to a realization. That is a realization of consciousness. What we are doing can’t continue. It is not in the best interest of anyone. Purely egocentric ways of form-fulfillment.
It will take the time needed, and those of us who have woken up and can see clearly what is going on, have a duty to show the way. There is hope for humanity, no doubt about it. No matter how dark it is the smallest light can light up the room. Unfortunately the earth and other beings will suffer, but they can only suffer as long as we are unconscious of the suffering. If humanity wanted we could end starvation, wars and all of this. But we don’t, we don’t, YET. But the time will come, and whether it is “too late” or not is merely a relation of an expected result or unwanted outcome in the future. We can only act now, and more and more people are awakening, just look at all the documentaries and spiritual books that are everywhere. People are waking from deep sleep as we speak.
Remember that: The outer world is a reflection of the inner world. The outer world is the level of collective consciousness.
@ginnyg, I think that most people basically try to do good. They at least do what they believe is right. I think there is hope, but it is very reliant on social trends. People in power are responsible for these big issues, eg. climate change won’t be changed by a few people recycling their household junk, it can only maybe be helped by governments putting in place bigger measures against big polluters. Most people are at the mercy of whoever is running their country. Sadly most first world governments are swayed by corporations and while the power remains in the hands of a greedy few, there is less hope for changes for the better.. [i’m pretty tired, not sure if this makes sense haha]
Life IS Amazing! So glad to see you used this particular word. I have been ‘following’ this word for over 2 yrs. now, and it has not yet ceased to lead to more Amazingness. (Just a fun little ‘thingy’ I started doing.)
We are in a historical ‘shift’ even as We converse here. But, so is the Earth itself in such process…Her rockings will determine Our becomings thereafter. Should be interesting, & no doubt Amazing, to say the least!
One thing wise to keep in mind as We move through these transitional states:
A candle does not shine so much in a mid-day sun, but it glows like crazy in darkness. Dance like the flame & Be glow-in-the-dark…”Let your Love-light shine”, ginn! I wish you Amazing! :)
@blankey, @andre-san, then WHAT are we waiting for? Let’s have a revolution! Let’s do it! Let’s actually change things for the better. Let’s wake up from the “deep sleep” @andre-san mentioned once and for all and make this planet work.
@percykittens I got what you meant! I do see a lot of corruption in the government based largely on encouraging growing corporations and overwhelming consumption of more products than we can produce
@lifegamer, that right there was poetry- wow :) I like your optimism a lot, I wish we could all share that hope!!
@ginnyg, I am. In 11 months I’m going to Thailand and either Taiwan, Laos, Nepal, or Vietnam. After that I headed up to Montreal to begin living as a human should. Off the land, not off a figment of the imagination that is destroying our very habitat.
There is no where else to turn. We are all each responsible. You are responsible. There is no one us to blame. On an individual level, we all need to face reality and see what needs to be done, individually. A watchful eye of your consciousness needs to be constantly aware of your inner thoughts, for we deceive ourselves constantly.
@ginnyg, I don’t believe in humans, they aren’t real. I believed in humans when I was a kid, then it turned out it was just mom and dad wearing masks.
I should have known they weren’t real, there are no humans, just tooth fairies and elves pretending.
On a more serious note… human is a species, not a race.
“is whether or not there is hope for the human race?”
-What hope? To achieve what? How? Why? Against what odds? When?’
Your question is too vague, and since people have different ideals and agendas there is no simple “yes or no” answer.
“Can we come together and make a better and more amazing world?”
-What’s wrong with the world that birthed us? Really? How is it lacking in the amazing department, at all? Does it need fixing? How and why?
Why should we come together? Most of the global problems are a result of people coming together and trying to change stuff.
Everything was fine before humans started meddling.
Humans were fine until this whole society circle jerk got out of hand.
People are full of hope and faith and amazed at the world, until they come together and adopt each others’ fears and misconceptions.
People are strong and free, until the endless invitations to depend on others breaks them in and they become pathetic and miserable. Strong and free, until the appeal of instant, effortless gratification lures them in. Strong and free, until they replace quality with quantity.
Strong and free, until they limit their existence just to avoid upsetting others.
Strife, conflict and yearning is in our nature. It is the very essence of life and evolution.
To oppose this, and thereby pinch of the flow of life, is what causes misery and massive problems.
Opposing human nature is what makes people so hopeless, it is self-loathing and disrespect of the world. My friends call such people “unhuman,” and it is not hard to see why.
Things were fine until people started coming together to fuck shit up. Trying to fix it with yet another work-around is just like fighting fire with gasoline. Losing the battle before it’s even started.
But that’s what brings the hope back. Life, evolution, etc… it’s all a learning experience. Trial and error, learning from mistakes.
Those who keep up with this silly game will wipe themselves out eventually, and those who stayed out of it will learn from it and remember to stay away from that nasty path. So, in the end it all, works out.
The world is amazing and beautiful, always has been, always will be.
It’s only when people mess with it that things turn to shit.
Take a few steps back, back to humanity, away from this wretched society, and all will be fine.
Nature is awesome, don’t antagonize it.
You know what they say, “Mother knows best.”
And that, as they say, is that.
Peace and love
@ginnyg, Whatever happens to human beings, I find it reassuring to think that life will always continue on planet Earth (likely for many millions of years based on history). And whatever we do with the Earth (nuclear/global warming/zombie apocalypse) it stands to reason that eventually forests will grow back. Rivers will flow again. And mother nature will re-right herself in preparation for the rise of the next superior species (dinosaurs-homo sapiens-???). I suspect it will be earthworms. They just seem all smug and chilled down there in the earth. Almost like they planned it all along… hmmm…..
@blankey, But why can’t we, as people who are all responsible for not messing this up, work together to make it better? Why does it have to be working alone?
@manimal, the purpose of this question wasn’t to get a yes or no answer! It was to get elaborate answers that explained the opinion of the person that says yes or no- when being asked if one has faith in the fact that their own species will not destroy everything, there can be only elaborate answers, even if they aren’t communicated fully through the keyboards in front of us. I love what you said; take a few steps back to humanity and away from society- because our society, what we’ve made it out to be, is really the root of all of our problems, isn’t it? We consume too much because we’ve been made to believe that’s the right way to live, we ignore problems just because they aren’t directly affecting us because we’re more interested in the junk on TV, and we’re not taking care of each other!
@harrymcalister, best of luck to the earthworms ;) who knew they had that hidden agenda, eh?