Do you believe there is a working alternative cure for cancer?

Andrej Naňo (@andrejn26) 9 years, 2 months ago

I know there are many said ‘natural’ or ‘alternative’ cures and many articles and ‘studies’ showing alternative ways of curing cancer. But do they really work ? Can you prove it in some way ? Do you believe there is one actually working treatment ?

March 4, 2013 at 10:27 am
Anonymous (2,833) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

Your absolute best bet is preventive medicine:

Eating low calories decreases your risk of cancer an insane amount:
http://www.pnas.org/content/79/24/7758.short
This one says low protein & calories is good:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/84/6/1456.short

Beyond that, you have to also realize the water you drink is bad. Get a filter, a really good one. A Really, really good one – ~150$, make sure it filters out everything (if it filter fluoride you know its good).

Next, this is a huge decision, but don’t live near smog. Don’t live in So. Cal. Don’t live in New York, Don’t live in a big city – smog will get you. The most potent carcinogens come from diesel exhaust.

Other than this, I have never read any alternative medicine stuff on cancer and been convinced.

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

Yes. It’s called eating right!

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Well said.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, “Beyond that, you have to also realize the water you drink is bad. Get a filter, a really good one. A Really, really good one – ~150$, make sure it filters out everything (if it filter fluoride you know its good).”

What are some filters you suggest (specific names)? I’ve been interested in one, but don’t know where to start looking.

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KevinSG (105) (@flyingrhino) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@andrejn26, I’ve heard of tons of promising cures for cancer that got shut down because they were natural and could not be patented. Apricots, THC, DCA, I’m sure there are more. Other than what @ijesuschrist recommends (preventative medicine is the best medicine), The best cures seem to be unprofitable, and that’s what the cancer society is looking for. They even went so far as to ban the selling of apricots as a cancer treatment in the 70s. Whole thing makes me sick.

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Annika (152) (@arenofnote) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@andrejn26, Gerson Therapy (http://gerson.org/gerpress/the-gerson-therapy/) has been repeatedly used in treating severe conditions such as several cancers, heart disease, diabetes, and tuberculosis. It basically entails eating a completely vegetarian diet including lots of raw juices. Gerson Therapy generally works because it treats the causes of the ailments, not just the symptoms. These techniques are explored more thoroughly in the documentary Forks Over Knives (streaming on Netflix).

Why is it not “trusted” or recommended by much of the medical community? Because if simply eating a certain way were to cure diseases, our pathologically-oriented medical system would lose billions of dollars of funding. Pharmaceutical companies would take an even larger hit. So these two entities team up in publishing “unbiased” studies disproving techniques similar to Gerson Therapy. Even most doctors who are not affiliated with specific entities involved are biased in a disapproving way. Very few schools of medicine train their students in Nutrition and alternative healing techniques, creating generations of doctors wary of treating anything but symptoms with anything but toxic pharmaceuticals.

“Let food be thy medicine.”

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Annika (152) (@arenofnote) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

Oops, I definitely meant Food Matters, not Forks Over Knives, although that one is good too :) There’s also The Gerson Miracle and The Beautiful Truth. Both super informative.

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smalls (68) (@smalls) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@arenofnote, I don’t know much about Gerson Therapy, I’ll have to look into it. But Steve Jobs died of a very treatable form of pancreatic cancer due to his ridiculous choice of diet based cancer treatment. I believe his choice was the one laid out by Dr. Ornish, which has been widely criticized by real doctors. The problem with things like that, especially being largely unverified due to being natural and therefor unmarketable, is that for the patients, you usually don’t get more than one shot at it. If you swing and miss on a treatment, it’ll cost ya.

**EDIT** Although a quick wikipedia search doesn’t bode well for it.
“Gerson published a book discussing the alleged success of the therapy in 50 patients, but a review by the U.S. National Cancer Institute was unable to find any evidence that Gerson’s claims were accurate… Attempts to independently check the results of the therapy have been negative. A group of 13 patients sickened by elements of the Gerson Therapy were evaluated in hospitals in San Diego in the early 1980s; all 13 were found to still have active cancer…”

Just curious if you have some different info.

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PeaceRiot (178) (@peaceriot) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

pheonixtears.ca

Tell me what you think of this guy.

Off his wagon? Or Super kewl dude?

Supposedly treats cancer victims for free.

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Anonymous (86) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

“Cancer” is an umbrella term, you Muggle! There won’t be a single cure.

Lifestyle factors can drastically affect one’s chances of developing certain kinds of cancers, but there are also genetics, microbes, and other things to consider. Some “alternative” methods have shown some promise, but be wary when they haven’t been subjected to scientific scrutiny.

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@theskafish, I don’t know. I have one but I don’t know 100% if it filter fluoride. It says it does, but I don’t believe it.

You need something that says “reverse osmosis” on it. The filters get changed every year or so and are expensive, but you have to evaluate … 100$ for health? or 100$ for….?

but uh… yeah I need to get one. I bought this one for 50$ of amazon, and then I thought about it and the flow is way too high to be able to filter out fluoride… A real good filter will need a patient person, or you can leave it to drip all day to fill up gallon jugs…

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Beni (110)C (@beniandtheuniverse) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

I’ve been affected by cancer personally so please no one take offense to this but…. do we actually need a cure for cancer? I only see problems arising from our existence on this planet. I think acceptance of the idea of death or coming up with solutions to deal with overpopulation and the damage it may continue causing in the future might be more valuable than a cure. Haven’t fully formed this opinion though, just something to consider.

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Andrej Naňo (7) (@andrejn26) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@beniandtheuniverse, well you are right, but isnt that our purpose ? doing damage to this planet ? we are like virus.. or cancer ? this is maybe our meaning and we cant do anything about it as there is majority of our kind who like to ‘destroy’.. what do you people think about that ?

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Andrej Naňo (7) (@andrejn26) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@beniandtheuniverse, well you are right, but isnt that our purpose ? doing damage to this planet ? we are like virus.. or cancer ? this is maybe our meaning and we cant do anything about it as there is majority of our kind who like to ‘destroy’.. what do you people think about that ?

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Beni (110)C (@beniandtheuniverse) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@andrejn26, I’ve never once considered that our purpose might actually be to destroy. That’ll keep me thinking for a couple of days. Shit.

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Remo (1) (@newdiabolic) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

Cures for cancer have existed already. A new cure has recently been found a few months back, just don’t have the technology to properly implement that method as of yet. Regardless, as long as we live in a society where a profit margin is more valuable than the welfare of people, it won’t happen. The medical industry does not seek to cure illness, they seek to temporarily off-set them. Think about it, how does a medical industry continue to be extremely profitable if everyone is healthy? The medical industry sells opiates out the whazoo and, in many cases, they cause further problems other than solving the current one. Cancer is something we already know how to defeat, both naturally and through use of certain technologies, it just does not support the the profit-making agenda of most industries. In a society where money is the main driving force, you won’t always have human welfare as a priority. The problem is bigger than if the cure exists or not. The problem begins with this ass-backwards monetary system that is bent on enslaving everyone through monetary debt. Remove that system, and at least then, your chances of creating something that will truly benefit people, regardless of whether it is cost-effieceint or not, is much more likely.

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Andrej Naňo (7) (@andrejn26) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@beniandtheuniverse, that might be because from our point of view we actualy are creating, we are growing, our population is growing, our cities are growing, but if you would look from space you wouldnt see any people, you would see cities as mold, eating this planet. thats why i think that is our purpose, from our point of view to create, but by that actualy destroy

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Remo (1) (@newdiabolic) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@andrejn26, Joe Rogan Philosophy! :P

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Remo (1) (@newdiabolic) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@andrejn26, Joe Rogan Philosophy! :P

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