Do you think that society as a western construct is nothing but a trap?

 J Winston (@Jonson Owen-Jones)7 years, 2 months ago

A trap that keeps you in the system as a good little worker bee forever contributing and consuming…

March 25, 2014 at 7:33 am
Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

Just like every other human society. We are no different.

We need to work to accrue money, all human societies need to work to live. Why then are or should we be different?

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

Why should we be different? Why not?

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

I don’t know, nor care. It’s not my business.

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$ybin (11) (@Sybin) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

itd be better if we were all different

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

I would rather work to have something to contribute or put my effort to, than lounge around and do nothing.

Even though many here believe we should leave stuff to machines and have leisure, this is to me boring, since life is about balance. Work is not just IMO to make money (though I reckon this is the main reason) it’s to be useful and generally do something of service to society.

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$ybin (11) (@Sybin) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

I agree with you.
Contributing to society and helping others is rewarding and I’m certainly not advocating being bone idle.
However if we lived in a world where people didn’t have to “work” in the conventional mundane sense and instead could focus on their own Magnum opus….whatever that may be…..then imagine how quick we could advance and progress as a species. Not to mention how happy we’d all be if we were free to pursue “work” related to our greatest passions and interests.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

Then why are you asking?

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

eh? I made a point. I don’t get why that warrants questioning, nor answering on your part..

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

What? What are you trying to say?

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

I ran out of whats with this guy. Good luck.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

lol..

Fuck off, idiot..

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

@desifemilove, in that other thread there’s some serious accusations about whether you’re just here to troll. I don’t know myself, but I do know that namecalling like what you just did there, and telling people to fuck off, is not tolerated here. This is your first official warning. If you’d like to stick around, you’re innocent til proven guilty but also keep in mind that two more like that, and it’s a ban.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 1 month ago ago

It’s obvious he just wants some one-up-man-ship on me based on some insecurity or “norm” of human behaviour he believes in or what have you…

i’m not interesting, it just brings some good amusement during work breaks…

Suffice to say, even in an anarchy as he believes in, people must still harvest, acquire and grow food. we do need to still work to live…

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 7 years, 1 month ago ago

@desifemilove, I’m not arguing on either side here. I’m just saying let’s cut out the insults, let’s keep it clean.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

You don’t know with whom you’re messing with, boy.

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Chloe22 (5) (@cosmonumber22) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

We are imprisoned to what the majority believes to hold authority. The fact that society as a whole believes only a certain group of individuals hold the wisdom and capacity to govern us, physically gives them this power. Do people not realize the overwhelming trust that it should take to let these individuals govern the way we live? Do the American people (in particular here) realize the ignorance we participate in everyday when we trust that the people in power actually DESERVE this power?

They are no better than you or I, no divine deity ever sat these individuals down and blessed them with power over the rest of their species; because we would know about it.

Every day we contribute to this artificial power in various ways that we have come to accept as social normality.

The limits set on us by the government are tools used to keep us consumed with the fear that we are not good enough, that the only way we can live a productive human life is lo lean on these worthless crutches we are apparently not able to function without. WE ARE SLAVES TO THE LAW WE WILLINGLY FOLLOW. Why? We never question whether or not these laws actually benefit our growth as a progressive species.
We are comfortable but comfort is not going to further our vital evolution, we need the freedom that is necessary to discover through exploration.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

Well put :)

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

Yep. But people will keep falling for it, and they won’t try to get out. Because they’re all so convinced that the bait is actually something good, and so convinced that it’s not even bait…. convinced that other things are the bait, hating on it and making a big deal out of trivial bullshit.

Maybe it’s just good riddance? Maybe people are just lousy and society is the only place to dump them and keep them contained?

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$ybin (11) (@Sybin) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

All societies that are under the influence of the monetary system are in the same trap. It basically only a few indigenous tribes in the most remote parts of the world that are free from the shackles.

Everyone else is more or less a slave from birth til death.
Were either in an educational institution of some sort, in a job, on the pension and for some unlucky ones……jail haha.

Shouldn’t laugh too soon, the rest of us are in one unfathomably huge open air prison…..even if your making some serious paper……guess what……

the hebrew for JOB is PERSECUTED/HATED.

Were all in the same trap.

Money drives the machine.

If your in a position where, if you never work another day in your life, you will still have enough money to live freely and comfortably with all your reasonable desires afforded…….then your out of the trap.

The only other option is to totally forsake money and live a completely subsistent lifestyle somehow.
Even the homeless are still apart of the system……there just the biggest victims…..the rest of us are still victims of it in someway or another.

I guess any society with any construct would essentially be a trap of some form, possibly even the indigenous tribes people…..as everyone still has a role and contribution to make to the collective.

So a trap has to be accepted in some form to get by within a group in any hypothetical situation.

However, if we could be freed from the shackles of the monstrous few then maybe as a species we could be left to freely determine our own construct of society.
One that is as close to freedom as we can collectively achieve with our greatest efforts.
One that evolves as we do as a species, with no set paradigm.

For now each one of us has to become aware of our situation.
Familiarise ourselves with the methods of the cabal who are driving the machine, and learn to avoid the traps.
Get high and have fun.
Spread love, follow our dreams and listen to our hearts.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

It’s Edward Bernays 2.0 on a world-wide scale ever since. Some countries know better by experience, and that is good, although most developing countries are done in with shock treatment and modern toys. It’s not a trap. It’s just modern, state-of-the-art imperialism.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

I believe there are different kinds of elite; the elite who earned their credibility and the elite who buy action with wealth. People earn credibility by finding practical applications for social progress, people tend to earn wealth by exploiting the weakness of others.

It isn’t like it is a strait forward, black and white distinction; the elite tend to have a combination of both traits, just some balance it well while others are distorted in their judgement. It would be nice if politicians could appropriately balance economic strength with social progress, but a lot of the time the people of influence that support them will withdraw that support because an appropriate balance isn’t in their best interests.

So you have politicians doing popular things and things that their key supporters/promoters would like them to do, rather than doing the job the people empower them to do.

But yes, keeping people with dollars but no sense is an ideal for the system as it works, it keeps people consumers in a routine where they do not have the time to explore and discover what they are intellectually capable of, or find solid psychological balance.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

The weakness of the population is big money.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

Very much. But it still depends what you’re in that or any system for.

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stormcloudmafia (19) (@redriffle) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

they should make a movie of such insight. maybe someone should have wrote a book with the future dates not the present where such newspeak keeps us from reading and learning knowledge..

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who (557) (@season) 7 years, 2 months ago ago

Um yeah duh. Main lesson of last 200 yrs.

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