If so, why? If not, why not? Discussions please?
Well I don’t because economy was created by humans, just abstract shit and there is poverty, a lot of it… a normal person won’t enjoy the sweetness of the economy, so it is not working, right? why would we have to preserve a not so well thought system that in fact is harming the world? I apologize for my english by the way (:
@lauraocrapira, I believe that all the attention we give to the economy and all the other games we play (Work, School, ect…), we become increasingly unconscious of nature (or environment), and our TOTAL DEPENDENCE upon air, water, plants, animals, and even down to bacteria.
I’m not saying the “games” we play are not useful, but environment has to come first. With no environment there is no us to play games.
Fair comments everyone. I agree with you @thebuddha
Further discussion: Why do you think people view the economic and environmental crises as being separate issues? Are they separate issues? If they aren’t, how do you think we can get people to realise this? If they are, do you think we can congruently solve both? Or does one need to take precedence over the other?
i think that without the economy we wouldn`t have any money so it is more important
I mean, the environment is going to collapse anyway sooner or later; why not cryogenate ourselves as soon as possible?
@seeker, Ha. Outside the box. Very good. Do you think it is much of a life being frozen though? Or would your plan be to come back later on when everything has grown back post-environmental-collapse and rebuild. Would you be the one to repopulate the humans?
@lauraocrapira, Good Questions! I like them.
My view is that nature (environment) is something that we don’t need to play with. It just is. The more you try and fiddle with it, the more screwed up you make it… Kinda like muddy water, don’t touch it, and it will clear on its own.
The economic side, and every other game we play is the complete opposite.We need to fiddle with it every day to keep it running right. If we don’t, it falls apart.
Kinda like Yin and Yang.
If we get too involved with our games and economy, we get too busy to realize that we are affecting the environment as bad as we are. And forget that we kinda really need air, water, plants and animals. (They’re kinda useful).
I think the best solution is to find a healthy balance between the two, where both systems help each other.
@thebuddha, I really like this viewpoint and have not thought about it in such wonderful simplicity before. Most excellent. I guess that leaves the big question… how does one achieve this balance in this world today? Is it enough to find the balance as an individual for our own lives? Or is there some kind of applied method we could perhaps use in achieving this in creating a collective balance? Maybe there are several methods?
@seeker, Brilliant. I worry though, do you think the Inception or Dr Parnassus thing could happen if everyone is in a lucid dreaming state? Where those with the stronger imaginations, issues or consciousness take over and create the scene/affect the playing field? Or would it be our own little realities or bubbles of perception inside one big bubble of existence (kinda like life now, I think?)? Or would we all just use astral travel/lucid dreaming to explore the world the way it will look in real-time as we are cryogenic? Very ponderful.
@lauraocrapira, ahaha, i thought that was coming. That is a tough one. I’m not sure.
I do believe however that starting individually, making a change in our own lives is the only way to start…. Maybe planting a seed and letting it grow for the rest of humanity?
Look back at my last post…. Are we not nature?? We are a small part to this whole we call the environment…..As a plant bends toward the light, will we naturally shift to an environmentally healthy perspective when we’re in the shade too long??
Maybe we’re the muddy water that just needs time to settle…..
@lauraocrapira, Yes the economy will change and become real, In the sense that the important things like the environment, public health, efficiency..etc, wil be valued as the most important things instead of money – which is what we have today.
The economy shouldn’t even be able to be compared to the environment. They are on separate realms, as the economy is within the larger realm of the environment and therefore is impossible to be of more importance. That is ultimately, unless you are of the unethical/immoral type.
I still wait for that day a president or a prime minister stand up and says: “I don’t want to rule the greatest country in the world. I don’t want to be the leader of the richest economy. I don’t want us to be the most productive country. I don’t want to compare ourselves with others. We ain’t robots. We are humans. Free humans aren’t here for competition or just to be productive. Of course, we must work to create a sustainable future for ourselves and our children, but money doesn’t equal succes, happiness or joyfulness. I want to be in a country, where we feel happiness instead of sorrow, where we are warm-hearted instead of greedy, and where we are motivated to work for the sake of our children, families and fellows, not for shareholders or beligerent goverments.”
To believe the economy is more important than the environment is inexcusable. You have been brought up so thoroughly against what you actually are.
I seriously cannot believe this post has been asked. You have to be trolling. Who could honestly believe there is more innate value in a dollar than in a leaf?
What are you thinking? How are you thinking that? How could you possibly have been driven so far off a natural course to be have the capacity to think in such a way?
To believe otherwise is completely blinding yourself from all connection you have from nature, and drawing imaginary lines connecting you to money. In a pure utopia, think about it, would you need an economy, or would you need nature?
Really. Please tell me you are trolling, and I can hold on to the shred of hope that this website seldom provides for me.
No, just a different kind of important. If people are unwilling to invest their powers into sustaining the environment then they only lose all they have anyway.
It is like a news report I seen on how the price of taxi fare has increased astronomically, people are saying how they are putting big business and shareholders before the public, but that is an illusion, if the public cannot afford to use the taxi services then there is no benefit for the business or shareholders, no money is being made.
I have said it before; a truely selfish person knows they can personally gain from considerate behaviour, only greedy fools destroy their gravy train in persuit of greater riches.