Do you trust Western medicine?

 Anonymous (@) 7 years, 9 months ago

I say I do for the most part. Especially psychiatry (my gf had depression, and without their help she’d be dead now).

But then I don’t trust nutrition, it’s just a means for them to push morals and not science. I think healthy eating is a cover anyhow, KFC and McDs make billions of dollars of revenue per year, so yeah people actually give a shit about healthy eating. I don’t reckon it’s mainly low income people, since the business model of fast food is exactly that, it’s convenience when out and about.

December 29, 2013 at 7:40 pm
inna (95) (@paintedbeings) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

you are something

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

because I contradict?

And? if do, so what? all others do. it’s human. but yeah, only those who the spirits have anointed can do so lol… this IS what you think, right?

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Frosty (45) (@iflipvans) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

That was very entertaining to read. You have a very contradicting view on the help that medicines can give you.

I, for one, can say that psych meds are helpful and so are nutritions. My dad is a doctor, or was until he retired, and he never pushed any meds down my throat. Your body can get addicted to antibiotics in a way that your body will not fight off the sickness itself but only rely on the medicine. Psych meds are the same way. Your body, mainly your brain and nerves, will get addicted to having that dosage of the chemical in your brain and won’t learn how to adapt without. Same with nutrition pills, except it is you yourself that will then get used to taking them and you won’t get those nutrients anywhere else from personal choice of not wanting to eat that specific food as much since your body is already getting some.

I say live without. If you fall deathly ill, follow medical advice… other than that try to train your body to fight off disease (mental and physical)

Also have cure-alls at the ready… like water, vinegar, honey, etc.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I don’t trust medicine at all for the reasons you cite. it’s a scam.

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CaoimheS (135) (@caoimhesweeney) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Western medicine is flawed. Very much so yet it has done some things right. However, it would be foolish to trust any medicine with absolute certainty.
Nutrition, I would disagree with you. It is not a means to push morals. The value of correct nutrition (although, disputed as to what correct nutrition is, as humans have gone so far from their roots) has plenty of research and in many cases, incorrect nutrition is the reason for many illnesses that some modern medicine attempts to correct. The fact you believe it is not science based, shows ignorance on your part. Having done some of the science behind food and foodstuff, I can tell you, it has mostly definitely got bases. Most of biochemistry is food based. Not in the way you would usually look at it but right down on a molecular level. It’s very interesting and I can give you notes, if you wish.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

OK. Well I don’t trust medicine either, but it’s clear it’s a tool to push morality.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Morality isn’t a problem if it is kept in perspective; when people realise their morality can be used to manipulate them. Things such as fear, desire and principle ideology are the most common ways to manipulate people, that is because they can interfere with rational thought processes, rather than just guiding them, it is by logic and reason we produce efficiency, and efficiency does not have to have a moral connotation but it is an ideal worth working towards.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Treating symptoms is always more advantageous to certain people than curing the cause; this is not only true with Western medicine, where the pharmaceutical Industry is more economically productive when people stay sick but not quite die, it is also true with Capitalism in general, where we get Planned Obsolescence.

People with wealth/power wish to maintain that and it is best done by providing products that don’t last.

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Benjamin (18) (@benjayk) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Not really. Especially not psychiatry. At the core it’s just fantasy at best and lies at worst.
In certain respect, it undoubtably works, though.
Medication can make many people feel better or less bad, that’s for sure.

For me, it caused much more harm than good, though. They imprisoned and attempted to dehumanize me. And the medication had really severe side effects.

I also made some bad experiences with other doctors, that prescribed heavy medication too readily. But I have much more trust in doctors that are not psychiatrists.

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Phelzone (4) (@Phelzone) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Not psychiatry.
I was an alcoholic for 3 years, until I turned to cannabis because I knew I needed to change. My research into cannabis opened my mind up to the possibility that not all illegal drugs were harmful (that I ever thought anything else than this I still find hilarious).

After some prolonged research and much deliberation, I decided to take LSD and then DMT. Both of these drugs brought me out of a 7 year depression. They were a shock to my system, and my socially constructed views – I had hidden all my drug use from my parents and, one of the revelations I had from these psychedelic experiences was to be more open with people. So I told them about all the drugs I’d taken.

They went BA ZERK. They wanted me to seek medical help because they had no idea about the drugs themselves, thought I didn’t either and thought a “medical professional” would. I agreed because I knew there was nothing wrong with me.

Now this psychiatrist came round to (presumably) check I wasn’t dying of schizophrenia or about to jump off a roof or inject myself with a twig or something. He had no idea what DMT was. I had to repeat myself, and even name the full chemical without the acronym so he could write it down. I googled him afterwards, turned out he is one of the top consultant psychiatrists in the UK! What a joke. He prescribed me some useless medication that I stopped taking about 2 days afterwards having researched it and concluding I had no use for it as A) I didn’t have epilepsy (it’s primary use) and B) My mood didn’t need stabilising (the reason I had been given it).

My official diagnosis was unconclusive, I showed signs of “salience” – checking the DSM V manual this is a slightly ambiguous term alluding to schizophrenia, but mainly means that I thought I was important. Oh big fucking revelation! I had suddenly realised I wasn’t worthless! Call out the psychs! Bring in the meds! Call the van to the asylum! The whole system was a joke. Nobody had any clue what my mental state was apart from me, but since I was compromised from death-inducing drugs (lol – with a straightface) I couldn’t be listened to!, the psychiatric evaluation was so vague and ambiguous that the rest of the story is just how I got put on various programs (e.g. early intervention psychosis) “just in case anything happened”. Having passed all of their requirements for leaving, I am currently in the best place of my life! My parents of course were delighted with my progress although still shun my use of psychedelics yet are more than willing to try and get me drunk on special occasions. Yeah I know right, societal hypocrisy in my own home! Anyway my life improved greatly, and no thanks to any bullshit Western psychiatry that is basically a jumbled attempt at throwing some complex sounding words at people who society otherwise labels crazy. “Smart motherfuckers often look like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers”.

Yeah it may work for some, and it’s getting better all the time, but too many people see Western psychiatry as the new mental health word of god. I applaud western medicine in the majority of cases, it’s just that my very specific experience showed that it is far from perfect.

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pdmishh (0) (@eturak) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Good question. To a certain extent, I don’t. I trust objective treatments but I don’t trust medical systems. I read a book called The Social Medical Reader which changed my entire perspective (I ended up taking classes about it). It personal narratives and commentaries about issues in Western medicine. It was really interesting, to me anyway!

As for psychiatry, I think medicine helps. But it also has a high risk for abuse. Medication can be easily abused and can make symptoms worse but psychiatrists can also abuse their “powers” by diagnosing patients superficially. They can over prescribe drugs and over diagnose easily, leading people to believe they have a severe psychosis when they may not.

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