Does objective language exist?

Ryan (@fadingfootprints) 8 years, 3 months ago

The organization of arbitrary sounds collectively understood by two or more people to create meaning. Language.

When an english speaker says “I am hungry,” it is only understood by the receiver of the message if he, too, recognizes the organized sounds that express that particular idea. Same with a spanish speaker, for example, when he says “Tengo hambre.” Two very different organizations of arbitrary sounds that create meaning when understood by both conversation participants.

Are ideas, then, objective language? The idea behind “I am hungry” and “Tengo hambre” are the same. Are ideas only a human creation or do they exist outside the perspectives of sentient beings?

October 17, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

@fadingfootprints, programming language lol

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Nimaj (1) (@Nimaj) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

No.

(See the irony?)

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D.I. (26) (@thekingofthenorth) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

yea… but dont talk about it…

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Psychonaut (133) (@psychonaut) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

Logicians seek to form an objective language through a formal syntax, but a language is always subject to semantics. Further still, there is much that cannot be expressed nor contemplated by logical form. So, that being said, I will have to answer no to the possibility of an objective language.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

Hmm. Are ideas objective language? Don’t know if this going to come out right, but that type of language you described is the language of what is heard threw you sense of hearing. Each sense has its own language or way of communicating. When a person is deaf what language do they use to communicate? The language of sight – sign language.

If ideas are objective language though, a baby learning to speak doesn’t really make sense. They would already need to have the idea in their heads before they understood the words. This makes me think that experiences are the objective language. We have the experience of something, and then create the idea of it in our heads. But experiences are subjective…. hmm.

You know what, this whole thing makes me think that we aren’t really communicating with each other at all. Its all perception. We create words in order to describe experiences so that we can share them with other people, but those words describe subjective experiences. So when a person learns a new word, they associate their perception of the experience with the word. This is how words get misunderstood all the time. So in a sense we’re not really communicating ideas, but something else…. and this is where I lose it.

Hehe, my head kinda hurts! :D I don’t know if any of this makes sense. Sounds a little logical I guess.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

@psychonaut,

What you said makes so much sense. Think I went a little haywire with my reply.

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Ben (62) (@Mallorn) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

more like language is used to communicate ideas/feelings/so on. you’d have to specify what you mean by objective language. im hungry and tengo hambre communicate the same idea

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inna (95) (@paintedbeings) 8 years, 3 months ago ago

visual art (going to say visual beauty to avoid argument), music without vocals that are words, body language
pretty much wired to pick up from those because we’re human beings

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