Dreaming Soul Theory

 MonkeyZazu (@monkeyzazu)5 years, 6 months ago

The following is a short paper I wrote about a month ago to better describe my Dreaming Soul Theory. The main goal I have for releasing this to the public is to get new ideas and perspectives on it. Replies to this post are welecomed and wanted!

[Short Essay on Reality and Dreams, date: 3-16-13]

Ideas in this paper originated from my “Dreaming Soul Theory” which asks “Is human existence nothing more than a soul’s dream?”

What are dreams? What is reality? How do you know your not sleeping right now? I have been thinking about these question for quite sometime and have gone over many thought experiments trying to get to the bases of them. For the time being, I have come up with enough information that I wish to organize and explain my thoughts on the matter. If I ever release this to anyone other than myself, this will hopefully give clarity or atleast a starting point for anyone who has wondered the same things.

To understand reality and dreams, you must first understand that everything is an experience. These experiences are what make up your existence. Both reality and dreams are nothing more than experiences that your consciousness is having. The key difference between reality experiences and dream experiences is the amount of time you have been consciously having them. You call your normal waking life “reality” because you have consciously spent the most time there. Most of the time when you have dreams, you only have them during portions of the night. Sometimes you consciously remember having a dream and other times you dont. Compared to dreams, you remember more of your waking life.

So, I have come up with the following definitions of reality and a dream that I will use:

Definition of Reality: The place or existence in which you are most conscious.

Definition of a Dream: An experience that happens outside of your reality.

You may be thinking you call your waking life “reality” because your reality is real and your dreams are not, but what is real? As morpheus said in the matrix “How do you define real”? When you are dreaming you have no idea that the experience you are having during the dream isn’t “real”. Most of the time, during the dream you dont even think of it as not being “real”. Its not until you wake up, back to your reality, that you realize that you were just having a dream. In other words, it isn’t until you compare the expereinces of dreaming to the experiences of your waking life, that you know you were just dreaming. In the context of reality being real, you are associating real with the existence you’ve spent the most time in. You remember more of your waking life than you do your dreams, but to say your reality is “real” with just the evidence of time isn’t enough to justify a “real” existence, just a more familiar one.

Sometimes when you are dreaming, you become aware that the experience you’re having isn’t your normal, everyday experience. During the dream you realize, by comparing the experience you are having to the experiences you remember, that you are in fact dreaming. This phenomenon is known as lucid dreaming. Lucid dreaming is very powerful. Once you realize that you are dreaming, almost anything becomes possible. Almost anything becomes possible because you realize that you are existing in a place other than that of your normal reality. Its almost like going to sleep in your bed, then waking up on the other side of the world. When you would wake up you would realize that this isn’t your bed, nor your house. A dream is completely different in the regard that it isn’t the other side of the world, its a whole other existence. Once you realize that this isn’t your reality, the laws that you were abidding by get pushed to the side a little. Once you realize your dreaming, once your realize that your existing in another existence, which is so abstract and abnormal in itself, you begin to wonder what else is possible. Is there anything you can do in this existence that you couldn’t do in your reality? With this knowledge you are not bound by the limitations of someone who doesn’t have this knowledge.

Now begins a more in depth discussion, one that will soon lead to a “soul” as being plausible. Reality is the place or existence in which you are most conscious. A Dream is an experience that happens outside of your reality. If a soul were having an experience while it was sleeping, would that experience not be a dream? For instance, how do you know your not sleeping right now? In which how do you know your reality isn’t a dream? Reality is the place or existence in which you are most conscious, but how do you know the existence you call reality, really is the existence that you have been conscious in the longest? Until you wake up from a dream back to your reality, you kinda think that the dream is reality. In which you dont remember your waking life during the dream. Is the reason we call this existence reality because we cant remember the existence from where we came, in which we were more conscious? Wouldn’t that existence be reality and this reality be a dream? And if you think about it even more, on a deeper level, this could go on indefinately. Every existence you would experience, you could question whether or not it is reality or just another dream because can we ever really know whether or not the existence we call reality isn’t just another dream? Is there an absolute beginning reality or an infinite nesting of dreams?

From this way of thinking, I can deduce or reasonably consider the existence of a soul. This existence that I call life could really just be a soul dreaming. Reincarnation becomes plausible too. When I dream at night, I dont have the same dream every night. Sometimes I do, but most of the time I don’t. Most of the time its a new dream and I am a completely new person, even though I am really myself. When a soul goes to sleep, would it have the same dream, or would it not have different dreams like I do? Reincarnation perhaps?

What else can I conclude from my own experiences of dreaming, that I could apply to a soul if it where dreaming? I have lucid dreams sometimes, so can a soul have lucid dreams too? What if, and really think about this, a person were to actually realize that their life really is a soul’s dream? In which they would kind of be having a lucid life? Insane. If a lucid dream makes many more things become possible from the knowledge of knowing that one is dreaming, what becomes possible of a person who realizes that they really are a soul dreaming? Is this where spiritual and energetic phenomenon such as channeling, esp, seeing ghost, controlling chi energy, astral projection, and many other spiritual abilities come from? People who do these kinds of things, maybe not obviously, but on some level might consciously realize that there is more to this reality or “dream” then the obvious laws by which most of us live our lives by.

April 19, 2013 at 8:32 am
MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@brianherring,

Hehe, no offence taken :)

I understand what you guys are trying to express, and some part of me agree with it. It almost feels like we are talking about 2 different things, but using the same wording for them.

What you guys are trying to convey reminds me of the notions put forth by the philosopher George Berkley. Maybe you have heard of him or the phrase “to be is to be perceived”. He was a philosopher who thought that everything is perception. Everything around us is just ideas, not that actual things themselves. The ideas that are around us are nothing more than what our minds are percieving them to be, meaning for something to exist it must perceive or be perceived. He believed that there is only one reality and that is the reality of perception.

So maybe my definition of “reality” needs updating or needs to be replaced by another word. Most people percieve reality to mean “what really is.” I talk about reality more in the context of a place or existence.

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x (74) (@ParalyticDreams) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@paralyticdreams,

Nice :) I’m not sure if people know this, but the matrix movies are all about philosophical concepts. I’m pretty sure you found the one associated with perception.

Check this out if you haven’t already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgkBE4Kgq5Q

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Country Man (12) (@420chief) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@monkeyzazu, you should try astral projection a couple times then do a compare and contrast on what you believe now and after these experiences. I bet, in my opinion, that you will change the way you think about what reality is and what dreams are and why they are relevant. try going to youtube, goto spirit science channel and learn about meditation and astral projection. it helped me understand things better after i astral projected a few times. I could tell you my beliefs but this is something for you to find and experience

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@420chief,

I love SpiritScience. I think it conveys new age ideas in a very visual and simple to understand way.

I meditate on a regular bases and have recently reached a new level per say. I consciously dream while I meditate?, what ever that means.

I have researched and tried countless times to astral project. Its not that simple for me. The way I understand astral projection is going from a waking state to a dreaming state without losing consciousness. All the times that I have astral projected were just lucid dreams because I lost consciousness but regained it in the dream. The furthest I have gotten with astral projection is being in sleep paralysis countless times and feeling my astral body float and what not. I actually taught myself how to fly, in dreams, during one of these sessions.

With all that said, the way I view reality and dreams is still the same. Since I wrote that essay and made this, I have learned and read alot more views on the subject. If you will, I would love to read yours too. What are your thoughts on reality and dreams?

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Country Man (12) (@420chief) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@monkeyzazu,
a trick ive taught my self is to try astral projection/lucid dreaming sitting up in a chair or in bed then put on white noise very low in noise canceling headphones or in a quiet room. then repeat ,however often you want(with eyes closed), to stand up. maybe give this a try and send me a message on your experience. it takes me about 10-15 minutes to get completely submersed in the “other realm”. *may take longer doing this method for first time. it took me a while to find something that worked for me.

in my current perception of life, i believe that dreams and reality are the same. to explain this in more depth i believe that dreams are your subconscious of what you want/need and reality is how you interpret and act on your dreams. i dont think either is more real than the other. yet i also believe that everyone should have their own interpretation because your beliefs are who you are. astral projection and lucid dreaming to me are different views of the same “realm”. when in these experiences you shouldn’t abuse it by seeing, you should use it for inner thought and for the search of knowledge. an example of physical world is lsd. many people abuse it as a party drug versus using for soul searching/looking for truth. i dont want this to sound off topic but i believe: no one is wrong in their spiritual quest, everyone has their own perception on what is right and wrong or good and evil. yet in the end, in my belief, everyone will end up in the same place “heaven”. so back to dreams, if you interpret your dreams the way your true self(subconscious) would then your “reality” will be peaceful and happy. so in essence dreams are there to help guide you through your physical reality to achieve pure happiness.
hopefully this was easy to follow. ill admit my perception changes a lot but all in all this is at the root.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@420chief,

To me, the place a person is percieving while they’re dreaming isn’t the same as this waking life. Reality to me is the “place or existence you have been conscious in the longest.” A dream on the other hand takes place outside of what I call reality. Just as you said, I don’t think reality is more real than a dream or vice versa. What is real? If real can be defined as “what really is” then real is perception. What you are percieving, whether reality or a dream, it is all the same.

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Peter (116) (@Gismo) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

This is a brilliant thread, and good timing for me personally to discover it as I’ve just started trying to wrap my mind around the reality/dream -paradox of life..

Do you guys have any tips for doing lucid-dreaming (other than mantraing “I wanna know I’m dreaming” before falling asleep)?, I’ve tried it twice, the first time only very shortly before waking up, the second time I actually had a little flight before landing and then waking up..

A semi-related question, if dreams are created by the brain, what is the defining factor that makes our brain capable of, once realizing it’s in a dream, to break the boundries of normal reality, is it simply because we were told as children that dreams are “not real” or where does this innate understanding of the free posibilities come from..?
The saying in cloud atlas at some point in the movie “You can break those boundries, once you can concieve of doing so”, has no more truth to it than in a frame of a dream..

Please post more :-)

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Peter (116) (@Gismo) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

BTW – Have you guys seen “Waking life”, a very weird but thought-provoking movie ? I’ve got to find it again!

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@gismo,

Regarding lucid dreaming, I think its all about memory. As I go over in my essay, a person usually doesn’t know they are in a dream until they compare the experiences they are having in the dream to the experiences of their waking life. You need something that makes you question the experiences you are having and then remember other experiences that you have had. People just don’t remember thoughts from their pasts, well they do, but most of the time they have to dig deep to remember a thought from long ago. Its usually in response to something else where they go “Oh yea, I remember now.” What I’m trying to say is when you remember something you have to think about a situation from your past experiences.

Its the same amount of difficulty of remembering your dreams from your waking life. Most of the time when people wake up they forget their dreams or only remember them for a little while. Once you get better at remembering your dreams from your waking life, you will get better at remembering your waking life from your dreams. Its going to be a little harder because your less conscious in your dreams, but its the same idea in general.

You also need to increase your awareness in your dreams. Once you do this your dreams will become more vivid and easier for you to remember. The main way I increase my awareness is threw meditation. I’ve experienced alot more metaphysical things because of it.

Also, make it your goal per say. Every morning, for about 6 months, when I woke up I would go to my computer and start typing up my dreams. I literally have 6 months worths of typed up dreams. For a about 2 months I was writing them in this notebook I had because it was quicker. It started off remember 1 or 2 dreams, then eventually I could remember 5 to 6 dreams per night.

Regarding your last question about breaking the boundries of reality while your in a dream, I dont think your brain is having the dream, its your consciousness. Your consciousness isn’t the same as your brain. Yes, they are probably closely related in some fashion, but have their differences. I think its just the notion of realizing that your existing in a place that isn’t your waking life. In this life, people’s consciousness just don’t leave this “reality”. Its so abstract that if it does and your conscious off it, you begin to wonder what else is possible.

This “reality” has laws that are experienced and shared by a majority of the people. So what’s to say that your dreams don’t share common laws that are shared by other people? If you hear others say that they flew in dreams, or walked threw walls, whats to say that you cant do the same thing? When a person experiences other realities other than that of their own, they realize new laws or ways of doing things. So much more becomes possible.

Sorry! I kind of broke into a rant. I didn’t mean to type this much. Hope this helps!

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Country Man (12) (@420chief) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@monkeyzazu,
well real is based on perception. not necessarily “real is perception” because perception is based on beliefs. so your soul defines real based on beliefs in a sense. “What you are percieving, whether reality or a dream, it is all the same.”–because it is all real or it would be happening. i believe as you gain knowledge/learn about certain things and now you change/tweek your prior belief but what you gained/learned contradicts what you use to believe then that changes your perception. then it also changes your reality…

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Anonymous (144) (@) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

“Dreaming Sheeple theory”

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@,

Maybe from one point of view or another. How come your anonymous now? I couldn’t log in one night, so I contacted HE and they gave me another link to log in. I dont think I showed up anonymous though. I could send it to you if you need it?

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@420chief,

Oh, I just meant we cant really know what really is because its subjective. If real were defined as “what really is”, then it would be completely based on perception, I guess. How can someone know, without a doubt, what’s real? Everything is how you percieve it to be.

I actually made another thread about truth and whats real. Its here: https://www.highexistence.com/topic/definition-of-truth-what-is-real/

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pedro (12) (@pedro) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@adamm0ss, yeah i was kind of dick…i’m sorry @monkeyzazu.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@pedro,

Its cool. Alot of other people have your same perspective of thinking there exist only one objective reality. You should read some of their post. They explained thier views pretty well. I still think reality and my dreams are different, but am trying to find a different term to use. Most people percieve reality to mean your experience of everything. I speak of it more in the context of a place or existence.

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Stoney Baloney (614) (@adamm0ss) 5 years, 4 months ago ago

@pedro, It’s cool, Im a dick quite often so no harm done. :)

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 5 years ago ago

@monkeyzazu, Makes sense to me. Definitely have thought of this before.

There is also the idea that humans should be sleeping in 4 hour interval naps that are all in REM sleep (dreaming). If everyone did this, we would all literally be going from out of this existence to into that existence back into this existence and then back into that existence, so much so we would forget which was “real”, and instead of “this” existence and “that” existence we would simply have “existence”.

Not to mention if we were lucid all of the time (by training ourselves to be in the here and now) in both “experiences”/”realities”, we would actually be conscious of “this” happening, rather than holding onto thoughts/life when there is nothing to grasp, which in-turn makes you miss what is actually going on.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 5 years ago ago

@blankey,

If I’m not mistaken I’m pretty sure thats how some animals sleeping cycles are. I think dogs balancing sleep and how much they are awake. They’ll take a nap for a couple of hours, then get back up, then do the same thing again. I forgot what type of sleep that is called. If I ever got a vacation to where I didn’t have to do anything, I would probably do that 4 hour sleep thing and meditate a lot.

I recently read somewhere that electricity has somewhat messed up our sleeping cycle. Everyone used to be active during the day, and then when the sun would go down we would sleep. Now since we have electricity, even when the sun goes down we can still stay up and do stuff.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 5 years ago ago

@monkeyzazu, Artificial light does make it so we cannot produce melatonin in our pineal gland, which is the chemical that makes us sleep.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 5 years ago ago

@blankey,

I recently read that in a book too. It also said something about the pineal gland being able to produce photons, light particles. Source Field Investigations is a book written by David Wilcock. In it he tries to prove that our minds or consciousness are all apart of this one bigger consciousness, the “source field”, and that every living thing is connected to it. He draws upon the knowledge of ancient civilizations, but also has a ton of scientific information and studies regarding his theories. He has a whole chapter dedicated to the pineal gland, talking about its functions and purpose. Graham Hancock did the preface of the book and also provides some really good information.

I really like this book, obviously. Highly recommended read!

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 5 years ago ago

@monkeyzazu, That’s funny. Last summer I got the audiobook for that for free. I never finished it but listened to like 12 hours out of like 19! It was definitely interesting and mind-expanding, that’s for sure; even if it isn’t all “fact”. I definitely agree with the idea of the Source Field but in the end it just leaves more questions unanswered.

Basically, we don’t know shit. And we need to be okay with that. The key is to live in the unknown, the mysteries. And this moment right now, is the most mysterious, for this now is all that everything comes from.

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Jeremy (2) (@Jeremy-Lagos) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

This. Is. Mind. Blowing. Or.. Reality/Dream Blowing. I have been searching for a post just as this. I’m going to read this maybe 5 times more, to fully understand it all. I thank you for sharing your theory with us. Keep soul searching and having faith buddy. One Love! 

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

Cool, glad you liked it. Do you want me to explain a part of it in more detail? Have you been wondering about these types of things recently?

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itssimplykyle (1) (@itssimplykyle) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

Has anyone watched the movie ‘Waking Life’ ? I feel like those that have trouble with remembering their dreams are actually just stuck in purgatory.

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