Drugs, temporary utopia?

 nyx (@wanderingmoons) 7 years, 8 months ago

the only escape we have into various dimensions is a trip through our psyche fueled by drugs. A glimpse into who we truly are and the truth of who we are, to be okay with the shadows that our lights cast.

February 10, 2014 at 9:03 pm
unsung12 (5) (@eddie15790xx) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I feel very similarly — cos, I’m also a druggie but more interested in the psychedelic stuff since I enjoy growth of the psychological kind… still, I try to be aware that all the drug is, is like a cheat code to achieving enlightenment.

All states of consciousness that are experienced through psychedelics (even DMT), I personally believe can be achieved without the aid of drugs — though I also feel that a more ascetic life style is necessary for that — very different from us living in the modern world.

Social constructs hold us back in finding our true selves, so subconsciously we gravitate towards drugs — but because the basis for understanding just what path we’re on, and our purpose is more often than not, missing or misunderstood — many don’t gain the full benefits of the psychedelia experience….. it’s like, the potential for gaining knowledge is strong with drugs — but the tendency to become lost is just as strong, if not even stronger.

Double edged sword?

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unsung12 (5) (@eddie15790xx) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I feel very similarly — cos, I’m a druggie as well, though I’m more interested in psychedelics due to my enjoyment of psychological growth. The states of consciousness achieved through hallucinogens (even DMT), I personally feel can be experienced through meditation, without the aid of drugs — thing is, because we live in a modern society with social constructs, we’re prone to becoming emotionally lost and due to the inherent need in human beings to wonder where they came from, their purpose in life etc. We subconsciously seek out drugs — but with out the basis for understanding the path we’re on and lacking in structure (as opposed to yogi masters and other ascetics that strive for enlightenment) we become confused.

It’s like, drugs have a very strong and powerful chance of helping someone achieve enlightenment, but at the same time, they can just as easily detour someone and have them get lost in illusion…

… double edged sword?

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nyx (12) (@wanderingmoons) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

yeah the funny thing is I’ve never done any drugs other than weed (if you even consider that a drug..) but I have moments of unity with nature and my surroundings. The sheer aesthetic beauty that creates undisturbed bliss that shake the depths of my being. It’s true euphoria and utopia for a minute I’m in another realm where nothing matters and I’m at complete peace. I’m not sure if this is my mind releasing dmt helping me to connect with nature and an alternate realm..this sounds completely ridiculous but although I’ve never done psychedelics I feel like I’m experiencing the same sheer pleasure.

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Sunshine (2) (@serbianman) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

” There are numerous other methods for entering altered states being
toted about, from meditation and yoga to brain machines and virtual
reality. I’ve tried many of these methods, enjoy them, and have found
them most valuable used with psychedelics. But to compare the
experience of these methods on their own to the experience of
psychedelics is like comparing a candle to the sun. Other methods don’t
even approach the realm of liquid, flowing, digital dreams which can be
accessed by psychedelics like DMT! ” D.M Turner The Essential Psychedelic Guide

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Some_Ego-reinforcing_Label (66) (@johnkorvac) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

which enjoyment in life isn’t temporary?…

reaching climax during sex with spouse… first bite of that tender juicy filet mignon… watching the birth of your first child… attending their college graduation… winning a medal… or a lifetime achievement award… opening up an extravagant present on x’mas eve…

they are all transient life events that activate the same regions of award/pleasure centers in our brain… the stimulus may be different from drugs, but the response is quite the same…

yet, drugs don’t require all those energy and time consuming preparations and hard work… such shortcuts are culturally frown upon in societies where busy bees and ants are naturally commended.

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nyx (12) (@wanderingmoons) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

this makes so much sense, but I don’t think that you have to necessarily earn pleasure or even take a short cut to it- sometimes it just presents itself.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

or to get nearly killed (or to get killed…)

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nyx (12) (@wanderingmoons) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

sounds like dmt?

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Carl (47) (@birdofprey) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

When you are able to be consciously aware of the miracle that you’re actually breathing and living – and are able to let this fact bring you joy and happiness, haven’t you already reached enlightenment? :)

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nyx (12) (@wanderingmoons) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I’m 19 and I’ve experienced this a few times, it’s moved me to tears.

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Carl (47) (@birdofprey) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

so might that be enlightenment? I don’t think we all need to do a pilgrimage to India or some shit to “find” enlightenment. You can become enlightened just by recognising that you’re alive, and what it took for you to get where you are now – the billions of years of evolution from star dust to a living, breathing human – is a mircale!!! :)

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russki (20) (@russki) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I believe things are most beautiful iff they are transient in nature. This is something that drugs point out to us. This is also true of every moment and every thing you and me have ever experienced so, in a way every bit of pleasure or suffering we have ever encountered is just as beautiful with its impermanence.

Really though, you have always been tripping and every moment is an ever flowering paradise, all you really have to do is pay attention.

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nyx (12) (@wanderingmoons) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

EXACTLY, consciousness and awareness are helpful keys to paradise.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 8 months ago ago
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unsung12 (5) (@eddie15790xx) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Intention is everything though… cos I know a lot of people who take mushrooms and acid yet do it just to get ‘fucked up’ — same with weed. When I first started smoking it I started experiencing a lot of spiritual feelings… and I told myself what differentiated me from the addict doing drugs is, I have a purpose, and the drug is a tool for training me to become my own therapist — self work/medication feels more comfortable to me than seeing a shrink who’ll suggest pills and tell me I’m delusional… yet I am exactly that, but, we all are! Knowing that you’re damaged and that it requires a lot of sacrifice and effort to attaining inner piece is a very personal thing.

All of you probably already know him, but Terence Mckenna held similar beliefs and feelings about our society, and how psychedelics are a good to thing for spiritual growth — given to the right person in the right setting, with the right intentions.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Dimensions?

Fantasies aren’t dimensions.

Do you even physics, mate?

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

if you have some spare time to understand what i meant when i said ‘not actual’ truth on the other post. this is a good example for it. can you see why people like op think that what they experienced were ‘higher dimensions’. you see why logic is wrong but do you see it from their perspective. i believe this is the worlds biggest problem. thats why we have stupid ideologies and people who believe that shit. all cuz of the fact when you have abstract terms for example like dimension people have the ability to not think critically about it, or oversee something and entertain a thought to a point of ‘no return’. and noone can stop them. you cant prove something to creationists cuz hell always go back to some thought where is oversaw something. but that thought is so deeply built in his mind so to him everything he says is intuitively right. and every new thing they learn is wrongly interpreted cuz of that error.

wow im reading this again to see if others could understand this and im not so sure lol. but meh. try to understand me, again if you have time to waste on some dude over the internet.

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

or they adobt generally accepted explanation but cant see why its true so they rebuild it in their heads using their current knowledge adn again you get flawed thought which slow down the progress in science etc..

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I’m not sure what your point is, mate. But yeah, people gotta get a sense of perspective, take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
It’s amazing to me how people can just accept a weird theory at face value and act like it’s some sort of revelation and preach it. As if it even made sense.

I have no idea WHY they would think like that, but I understand how. Been there, seen that stuff, but it doesn’t fool me.

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