dumb question about free will

heysteve (5) (@dumb) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

<div>Hello Dhyan</div><div>
</div><div>I’m not smart, but I’ll try my best :D</div><div>
</div><div>Will is voluntariness. If something done to you is something that you don’t want, then it is done to you against your will (involuntarily). If you want something then it is your will and if you do not want something it is against your will.</div><div>
</div><div>Free will is an idea that we are the sole author of our actions. Outside influences do not affect us, it is only ourselves that are responsible for everything we do. </div><div>
</div><div>It is the idea that we could have done otherwise at any given time in our existence and why we didn’t is because … well it’s really kind of a mystery to me. Like what shapes a human being is nature (genetics), nurture (the environment) and magic (the free will).</div><div>
</div><div>And everyone seems to agree with not having a free will most of the time, like you break a bone it hurts or tuna tastes like tuna even if one wishes it didn’t. Our body starts healing damaged parts or keeps the heart beating without our consent. We didn’t choose our parents or where or when we were born.</div><div>
</div><div>Yet we take credit for the “good stuff”. Tuna tastes bad, well thats just life. I did something amazing, thats not just life, thats me being amazing. Other times we put blame on people for doing something poorly as if they could’ve have done better, but they just decided not to… just to be a inconsiderate? Why..?</div><div>
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</div><div>I don’t know. I’m dumb, so I need someone to explain to me how this works.</div>

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Dhyan (37) (@Dhyan) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

Hi. Your not dumb, I can’t explain free will. There are processes like beating of your heart or breathing that happens. Objects fall, trees grow. If there is a good surrounding they grow faster, if there’s a storm they might break.

We have free will or the idea, in a lot of situations. But it’s limited , we step on grass, not on flowers. We don’t hit people we like. But many choices are limited by, culture, society etc. And our own conditionings and how we look at things. As there are no sharp settings what freedom is, I can’t define or there is free will as I am limited in my viewpoint.

I guess thoughts can’t answer big questions. I like warm wind stroking my skin, or I like the sound of leafs or water. I can do a inner research on why I like or just accept that I like it greetsz

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heysteve (5) (@dumb) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

Hello again :)

I am dumb, the opposite of smart. Smart people can receive partial data and somehow complete the data. I can’t do that. Religion for example, no matter how much I study and read upon it, it makes no sense to me. It’s not a matter of not trying, it’s a matter of trying and still being unable to fill in the gaps by myself. Im often told that these gaps are called “common sense” and no further elaboration is given.

You say
>>I can’t explain free will.
>>We have free will
>>As there are no sharp settings what freedom is, I can’t define or there is free will as I am limited in my viewpoint.

Freedom in this case is the opposite of causality. Causality is the relation between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the first event is understood to be responsible for the second.

you say
>>We don’t hit people we like
Is this an absolute? You would never, ever hit a person you would like? Because I guess that could be free will. But if you can imagine there being even one scenario where that might be a possible outcome then that is causality.

What if you have to slap a person you like to stop being hysterical? Or the only way to protect people you care about in some absurd situation is to make them hate you and the fastest way to do that is to hit them? Because thats causality, a circumstance that changes everything.

Freedom is freedom from causality, freedom from circumstances. Freedom means full responsibility as you are the sole author of your actions. If you did poorly, it means that you chose to do poorly and there are no circumstances.

If we’re not free from circumstances, being proud of our achievements is the same as being proud of having a brain tumour. Achievements were only possible because of all the circumstances that lead to it. Similarily being ashamed of failures is the same as being ashamed of having being born deaf.

Shame, pride, hatred, punishments, none of them make sense without free will. So I really need to find where free will is located, because otherwise the world we live in might built on faulty premises from the ground up.

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Dhyan (37) (@Dhyan) 6 years, 9 months ago ago

Hi. I agree there are many assumptions. Wich is natural as even this language we use is part of a collective. And your not! Dumb. My English is to limited to have a conversation on this level, , as this is really delicate. So I apologize :-)

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