Earth As an Electron Orbiting the Nucleus of an Atom (the sun)

 Satyapriya (@Satyapriya) 8 years ago

What if the Earth was merely an electron orbiting the nucleus of an atom (the sun) within a larger molecule (the galaxy) within an even larger macromolecule (the universe) within the liver of a giant cat?

October 8, 2013 at 11:32 pm
Michelle Dante (18) (@DantesParadise) 8 years ago ago

Would it matter? Would it change life and the experiences we have on a day to day basis? But also, wouldn’t that make the pussy God??!?! Yes, I think I like this idea hahaha

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Stfrancis (110) (@Stfrancis) 8 years ago ago

Electrons don’t actually “orbit” the nucleus, they exist in a probability wave in certain proximities and configurations around nuclear centers. But that’s just semantics. The symmetry between the two situations is incredibly beautiful I think. If the universe is a molecule, I hope we catalyze the rest of existence into some fucking insane reaction that makes the cat God burp.

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Satyapriya (23) (@Satyapriya) 8 years ago ago

@dantesparadise, The cat could simply be on another world, orbiting another sun, within another galaxy, within another universe, but this time within a giant dog! As above, so below. As below, so above… well, maybe. The universe could be holofractographic. That is, fractal in 3 dimensions! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swoX8iPTMRQ

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Satyapriya (23) (@Satyapriya) 8 years ago ago

@stfrancis, Right, I’ve heard that. Different physical laws at play on the atomic level, the strong and weak nuclear forces I believe. I don’t know much about “probability waves” in relation to atoms and electrons though… I’ll have to look that up.

Haha good one! I can’t help but wonder if this is actually possible… maybe 14 billion years our time is equivalent to only a year in the macro-cat’s time. Maybe our big bang was simply the genesis of a new liver cell (our universe) within the cat as it was developing in its mother’s womb…

Maybe the big crunch (if that is the fate of our universe) would be simply the apoptosis (cell death) of this liver cell… Hmm, but then what happens to the matter that makes up a liver cell when it dies? Does it get recycled within the body or does it get flushed out of the system and end up in the sewer?!?

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Stfrancis (110) (@Stfrancis) 8 years ago ago

@satyapriya, here’s a bit of info on electron orbitals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital
If you’re really interested in the stuff, you should look into particle dynamics and quantum physics. One of the most incredible scientific discoveries I’ve ever heard of has to do with these matter-waves. When scientists get right down to the nitty-gritty of subatomic particles, the truth is there actually isn’t anything there! There is no “stuff” making up the physical world! Particles are actually probability waves. They are “packets” of information that are very likely to have a certain mass, velocity, or position at any given time but don’t actually exist as a physical thing. This blows my mind because everything we experience in the world is really just waves interacting, and what the hell is a wave?!? It’s just an idea! it’s a formula, a little chunk of math! The whole of everything we have ever known or will know about our universe is an idea that apparently somebody else already came up with and set into motion.

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Michelle Dante (18) (@DantesParadise) 8 years ago ago

@stfrancis, yes the universe exists in potentials, every second splitting into infinite possibilities. This is why how we choose to perceive the world and the energies we choose to put out actually and concretely effects out experiences. We’re so much more powerful than we think we are.

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Satyapriya (23) (@Satyapriya) 8 years ago ago

@stfrancis, Yup, that blows my mind as well. Have you ever sat through a 10 day Vipassana meditation retreat? In the retreat we listen to 1 hour long discourses every evening, and one night (either day 7 or 8) the instructor mentions that at the smallest level of physical matter, beyond the atomic level, there really isn’t any solid matter at all, but what the Buddha called “calapas”. Supposedly, the Buddha taught that these little “calapas” are constantly coming into and out of existence. The whole point of the meditation is to still the body and mind enough so that you can start to actually feel them vibrating throughout the body. After day 3, once the mind is sharp enough, we start to scan the body from head to toe with our awareness until the entire thing becomes becomes fluid, much less dense. At which point we are able to move from front to back and back to front directly through the body. It is a fascinating technique. It’s supposedly the same technique that the Buddha taught to his disciples 2500 years ago.

So what do you think these “calapas” could be? Same as these particles/probability waves? How many different types of particles are there at the smallest level? Have we discovered the smallest level yet?

For you, what does this realization from quantum physics tell you about the nature of reality? That we live in some sort of simulation like the matrix, or that reality is like a holographic projection within the mind of God? Or perhaps something else?

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Lohith (0) (@Lohith-Acharya) 4 years, 11 months ago ago

This microscale study of the behavior of the sun as nucleus and planets are electrons ,are going to give the unanswered questions in atomic scale,which we dying to prove in using sem ,tem, we’ll  be using telescope tats all

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years ago ago

@satyapriya, Atoms are more just force fields, not solid bodies like planets or stars. They say it is sound at resonate frequencies that project a force that gives matter substance. Vibrating strings, or possibly one vibrating string where time/space converges and radiates in infinite directions in a the range of frequencies that offer somewhat scientifically definable variations.

But in an infinite universe technically there is no “smallest” or “limit” the string actually exists outside of, or sub, size and so it is conceivable that if you grew so that our solar system was the size of an atom to you, you may well find yourself in an alternate reality, or you may find yourself back where you began. That is to say; our star may exist in two, or more, places simultaneously within this universe as both a cosmic astral body (one of the countless stars) and as one of the countless atoms.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years ago ago

@satyapriya, To think; if we could identify atoms as stars within the universe and find a way to shrink ourselves to quantum sizes, we could travel anywhere in the universe we want to instantaneously.

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Lohith (0) (@Lohith-Acharya) 4 years, 11 months ago ago

That’s going to happen within 200 years from now

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years ago ago

@satyapriya, I think it would be awesome to find that out actually. Personally it wouldn’t change much for me, but I would love it to have an effect on all the egotistical people out there who think they’re the center of the universe. I’m just ready for something ground breaking to shake people up. We’re too stagnant, not aware of our potential.

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Stfrancis (110) (@Stfrancis) 8 years ago ago

@satyapriya, Reading your response I can only smile and think of the term synchronicity. I just learned about calapas myself a few days ago through online research and mentally paired them with the scientific concept of virtual particles and the zero-point field.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=are-virtual-particles-rea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

Virtual particles seem to be an exact equivalent to calapas which fascinates me beyond belief. Even empty space, as proven by the zero-point or vacuum theory, fluctuates creating and destroying particles everywhere and everytime. It communicates a balance of existence non-locally across all of our known reality, similar to how many believe consciousness functions in creating our universe on a moment-to-moment basis. This is truly an incredible period for human understanding.

As to your question about the number of different particles, there is a current theory called the standard theory of particle physics which has been able to predict tens of thousands of observable particles and has been dead accurate, but many physicists believe the model is incomplete, and the observation of the higgs boson points toward the prediction of innumerable other particles and even other fundamental forces. Other theories such as super string theory, super symmetry, and M-theory also provide models for discovering other previously unknown building blocks of matter, but even these have not yet grasped some of our universe’s greatest secrets such as dark matter, dark energy, and the singularities in black holes. In truth, I believe that the number may be infinite.

For me, quantum physics corroborates many different spiritual intuitions and beliefs I have come to hold over the past few years. Your matrix analogy is also interesting because it roughly describes a concept explained by Tom Campbell in his “My Big TOE” (or theory of everything) in that reality is information. There is nothing significantly distinguishable between information in a computer and the information of our universe. For him, the computer organizing and coordinating the infinitely complex dance of information which makes up our reality is consciousness itself, creating life as an attempt to structure seemingly random information into coherent, beautiful, and aware beings. If these ideas interest you I would seriously suggest looking into my big toe, but also the spiritual teachings of David R Hawkins. It is endlessly valuable and interesting to try to understand ourselves and our place in the universe, but it is equally important to spend time cultivating a sense of humility, respect, awe, and wisdom in the way we view this vast creation. Peace and much love to you on your quest for knowledge!

I have never been to a meditation retreat but meditate alone regularly, although I’m not sure my mind has become sharp enough to detect these fluctuations, I meditate in the peripheral sense rather than the center-focus sense, meaning instead of bring my attention to specific things like my breathing or sensations in the body, I try to push my attention in every direction and as far inward as possible, purposefully focusing on nothing at all.

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