'Empathy' and the Corridor of Opinion

 Manimal (@manimal)6 years, 5 months ago

“With the motivation of ‘being nice’ you can ruin any discussion. Behind the war cry of ’empathy’ you can excuse objections in absurdum, the purpose of which are truly more about feeding the own ego and validating a self-image, rather than actually making the world a better place.”
-Hanna Söderström

There’s this recurring pattern whenever the topics of culture, society or politics are bought up. There’s always a position which, completely disregarding responsibility for long-term consequences, can be portrayed as more humane, more empathetic, and nicer than those whose theories and opinions pay heed to a realistic understanding and sensible worldview.

Those who preach ideologies, even if their ideologies may be considered good, are always more concerned with their own outcome than the principles they preach. They want to “be right”, no matter how absurd their statement.
With the use of “magical words”, slogans and buzzwords, they disguise garbage as gold and project dreadful bogeymen onto any rational opposition. They create a corridor of opinion and knowledge, a narrative which must not be questioned, and anything that does not fit in this corridor is labelled as evil.

In the world of the new age doctrine, this becomes particularly absurd… because when someone does not agree with the narrative they are seen as closed-minded or ignorant… while those who blindly swallow the doctrine pat each others’ heads for being so ‘open-minded.’

Want to discuss how to best understand a subject and express your knowledge? ‘Read this book by one of these identical gurus and do exactly what he says!’
Want to discuss health? ‘Eat whatever you want and pretend that it’s healthy, fuck science and actual health!’
Want to discuss the climate issue? ‘Banish nuclear energy and destroy nature with costly wind and water power plants!’

Want to discuss injustice and generalisations against people based on their gender, for example how men rarely get custody of their kids? ‘Patriarchy! Misogyny! I need feminism!’

Want to discuss how to handle the patriarchal, oppressive, inhuman doctrines found in certain religions? ‘You’re an intolerant racist! Let people do whatever dirt they want in the name of their god!’

Those points of view do not contribute to discussion, they have ZERO value to the conversation. They ruin the discussion under a false flag of empathy and niceties.
GOODNESS APOSTLES and PLEASANTISM-APOLOGISTS are suitable epithets for these involuntary propaganda machines.
These people who refuse to be responsible, but never miss a chance to tell those who beg to differ how very awful and hateful they are… just because they don’t blindly embrace stupid ideas without critical thinking
-‘Because the ends justify the means’

Their inability to think further than their nose reaches gives them the illusion of moral superiority, or at the very least equity. Just because they never have to face the consequences of their emotionally motivated and over-all lacking control of impulses. Other people suffer for these imbeciles’ ignorance.
Call them out on their lunacy, and you’re labelled an ‘oppressor’ and a ‘hater.’ It’s just a matter of seconds before someone compares you to Hitler.

You have violated the 11th commandment:
“Thou shalt not make anyone feel doubtful or butthurt!”

‘Problem defining privilege’, they all scream in unison. As if there was no objective reality to measure your ideas with. Everything is suddenly a matter of how it is felt. ‘It’s true for me.’

There’s no limit to how absurd one of these discussions can become, when it is assumed that everything is a matter of how you experience it. MOST OFFENDED WINS, simply put.

The strife is no longer about fighting real injustice or oppression, but all about creating pseudo-intellectual theories, where the right to fight for things is more important than whether this fight is constructive… or even real at all.

It brings to mind this scene from Life of Brian, by Monty Python:

Peace and love

Now it’s your turn to gimme a piece o’ mind.

January 11, 2015 at 7:19 am
Sergeant Major General loony tunes (15) (@downscript) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

People hold onto beliefs alot, even if it makes no sense, like heaven for example, you don’t actually know it exists, but believing it does, is just wishful thinking, and praying so that sins go away is trivial, it’s not important, saying otherwise is just ignorance, wishful thinking, wishful thinking makes no sense, you need solid evidence, proof, that’s been tried and true, over and over, in order for there to be solid evidence, i was in the hospital one time, and this girl wanted me to play card games with her, and not follow the game rules, i told her to follow the rules, and she would get pissed at me, and she would make pointless arguments telling me how i felt, and how she was treating me badly, swearing at me and raising her voice at me, because i made her feel a ‘certain’ way, which makes absolutely no sense, it’s just disrespectful, and mean, it’s complete bullshit, in reality, she had no idea what i was thinking or feeling, which she claimed to know, some how, alot of people have no idea what their actually talking about, or if there point makes any sense at all, most of the time, which is pretty obvious is that they don’t want to admit that they are wrong, which is counter productive to growing, yeah and that girl went on to say that we can do whatever we want, but when i just wanted to play a card game, she made a real big deal out of it, and she would mock me, with how i had told her how i was feeling earlier, when shes the one who asked me how i felt in the first place, it was weird being around her, she made no sense, one moment she acted like a friend, then the other moment she would act really weird, and the thing is she held on to whatever he said, like it was the only thing that was true! she wouldn’t accept anyone elses opinions on matter, and rejected them, only to try to argue even further, my point here is that some things aren’t worth the effort to correct, because the only real change lies within the person wanting to change, this involves pseudo-intellectual theories, i mean i’m gonna put it bluntly, and truthfully, alot of the ideas or things that people do, are retarded, i tried my best to grasp what was said, and this is what i came up with, mind you my attention span is short, but this is what i came up with, not sure if it makes sense, i understand some of what you write, but can’t grasp all of it, i tried to google the words, but the concept is still out of reach, so correct me if i’m going off topic at all, thanks, but the main point is that people falsely hold onto ideas or beliefs, is this true, for example, I haven’t been feeling great, and i read on the internet this problem would go away if i tried a little harder, it was one of those typical responses saying if i actually did more i would be happier, this made no sense, i can’t be happier when i’m just thinking different thoughts, my body is made out of cells communicating, the only thing that’s gonna make me feel better, is if my biology and chemical make up, allows me to feel better, that’s if all those neuronal firing permits this or whatever it’s called, but it relates to biology, i can’t magically feel better, and these people with wishful thinking just essentially wasted my time, part of my life, that i cannot get back, and that’s unfair in the most true sense, alot of people just don’t think these way, they just want to stroke their ego or get more views or whatever, maybe it’s all for attention? getting attention and being of value is in reality, way different than from each other, if i’m missing the point, just tell me, so i don’t waste your time, i mean, i think i got the point, tell me if my reply was useful, or whatever.

Sergeant Major General loony tunes (15) (@downscript) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Yeah, there is a reason, why i’m atheist, i can’t grasp my head around religion and stupid beliefs, simply put, i understand where your getting at, but yeah, just wrote down my thoughts of what i think of it, and how i think this stupidity goes into other aspects of life as well, for example that girl playing cards with me, it was very similar to someone preaching about a bible, a human wrote a bible, you can analyze it, but in reality heaven is just a thought, it’s in the brain, nothing more, alot of people still persist and walllow in their own stupidity, maybe it’s because they don’t have anything better to do, or they have some type of agenda of some sort, there is alot of strange people in the world, never know what’s going through their mind, maybe it’s lack of proper reasoning

Ed (40) (@orange) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Bill Burr is a great comedian, this video is very valid to the thread.

If you want to be able to see a situation for what it TRULY is, then expose yourself to as many varied and contradicting viewpoints as possible. Use critical thinking to separate the fact from the perspective, finding proof in the actions, not “intentions”.

i4c1m2b (70) (@i4CiM2B) 6 years, 5 months ago ago

Personally, I think people who tend to stereotype and label everyone are amongst the most ignorant of all!

YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 5 years, 8 months ago ago

New age thought has turned into the typical “my belief over yours” that all popular idealogies fall into. Now, there is another school of belief that has cornered itself into oblivion.

Isaac (17) (@Isaac-Kwiatkowski) 5 years, 7 months ago ago

Hear, hear!!!!

Listen to this guy, he has a point.

Now, metaphysically speaking, objective reality may or may not exist. But regardless of that, that which is testable and predictable is certainly more real than that which is untestable and unpredictable. That is where the…open-headed perhaps?…are mistaken.

martouk (67) (@martouk) 5 years, 7 months ago ago

At the root of all this spiritual self-righteousness you find the ego. The ego is the root cause of every ill in the world, from political ideologies to spiritual posturing. Hiding behind the mask of ‘positivity’ and never listening to a ‘discouraging word’, which may very likely be truthful words, the ego thrives on fantasy expectations and denial. This is the reason every spiritual tradition you can name attracts egos like flies. The pie in the sky promises of every religion or mystical form of alleged spirituality keeps adherents flocking to their altars and gurus because the ego is constantly seeking some higher power – God, the spirit force, the Divine, the great cosmic Oneness, the Christ Consicousness and the list goes on. You can’t tell the ego anything because it already has its mind made up on virtually every subject. It is not interested in finding truth, it is interested in having its fantasies fulfilled, and spirituality plays to that desire for the impossible in every ego.

This can be directly coupled to Campbell’s Hero’s Journey, for every ego envisions itself as some kind of hero that will single-handedly change the world for the better.The ego accepts what makes it feel good and shuns anything or anyone who challenges that feeling, especially when this sense of feeling good is wrapped in self-righteous beliefs or ideologies. It is a form of multi-generational enculturation chasing the impossible all because of some presumed reward the ego expects to receive for its dedication to its belief systems. Take down the ego and reality sets in.

ambearbeasley (1) (@ambearbeasley) 5 years, 7 months ago ago

I find it particularly annoying when a person will not except the truth when presented with solid facts and evidence just so they can be “right” in an argument. I often find my sister refusing my words of common sense just because she doesn’t like me for whatever reason.They are basically living in ignorance and will eventually drown.

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