Evolution! Human civilization evolving! Was hitler right?

marcus anderson (@billmasterson098) 8 years, 9 months ago

So God is not real, there is no absolute morality.

If I put 100 black people in Africa and 100 white people from England in a class room who do you think will get higher exam scores?..the white of course

So evolution is the survival of the fittest right.
Scenario: I am a world leader, an atheist, and as most of my fellow world leaders are, a firm believer in the advancement of human civilization, in terms of science, technology and longevity (in future, future generations) of the Human Race.
The black people in Africa are poor, dumb, weak, diseased and plentiful. Western civilization in the Americas are more advanced (barely in some cases).
Should we, as world leaders, just kill off these ‘inferior’ ‘humans’, the land itself is bountiful of oils and minerals needed for the consuming world, and these people show no signs of improving their situation. Perhaps we should help them, us more ‘privileged’ folk? but then again the people are dying off anyway, we should just speed up the process. Helping them will only use up resources and time, slowing the process of advancing human civilization and the longevity of the human race. We can always repopulate and breed with more intelligent, ‘survival fit’ candidates, such as ourselves, the advancing western civilization. Or we can test on these people to discover new remedies and cures for humans, nothing is more accurate then human testing right?

There is no moral absolution because there is no God. Thus morality is flexible now, morality by man.

This is perhaps what the people in power want, Illuminati, The Elite, The Government call it what you want, with this whole depopulation story. Sacrifice for the greater good? These ‘less advanced’ people used as means for a greater end? What is the greater good? Advancement of the human civilization and its longevity in this Universe, or many universes?

Empathy, Sympathy :( . How would you feel if you were these black people in Africa? the diseased, the poor, the uneducated. The ‘less advanced’?!?! :/

When I think about it I can’t stop thinking we will ‘evolve’ into those Aliens depicted in films; asexual, big brains, with little to no visual distinction between each other. Or ‘evolve’ into robots, or a huge super computer on another planet, or planet sized spaceship in another universe. Is this the end goal?

Question is, what sacrifices will be made to advance? to survive? the human race..

August 7, 2013 at 9:32 am
Eq (9) (@truthseeker) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

No matter the race or origins, everbody should be treated equally, i.e. everybody should be loved. We are all one, so by ignoring their problems and needs, you ignore yours.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Morality is just a value we hold, but nothing real has worth, nor is anything worthless, these are just artificial distinctions we have made, usually due to the pleasure or pain we receive from something.

So there is no absolute morality, there should be no morality at all, you can be compassionate without believing it is right or wrong.

But (I know you are just making a point) Africans aren’t inferior, their opportunities are, given the standards western worlds enjoy, there would be no way to make a distinction between one group or another. But group distinctions themselves have no merit, people are unique individuals, it is convenient for us that Africans all appear the same, we can look at them as a group rather than each a distinct human being.

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onelovechange (440) (@jakefloria) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@billmasterson098, Fuck that man. I am a believer in survival of the fittest, yes, but I think you’re looking in the wrong direction for human evolution. I think the way we need to go is in a direction of love and compassion. The only way we can evolve is if EVERYbody, especially white western civilizations, evolve from simple and out-dated qualities such as greed and ignorance and ego. The definition of greed is the inordinate desire to possess wealth, goods, or objects of abstract value with the intention to keep it for one’s self, far beyond the dictates of basic survival and comfort. See, the ONLY way for humankind to survive (besides/after our population declines greatly) is if we become a more conscientious species and band together and thrive/flourish by helping each other out. Do you really think that Africans would score less on a test because of their race? Are you really that ignorant? I’m an atheist too, and I see the futile, nihilistic, negative way of life but I don’t think morality comes from “god”. I think human beings, since we have free will and free thought and have developed emotions, naturally feel a sense of right and wrong.
I mean, I see your point in the absolute, black-and-white dog-eat-dog world. But we are all of the same human species. I have no more right to claim that I should be able to eradicate you from the planet just because I think I’m smarter than you, or even if I really am smarter than you. This is a question about EGO here, man. This has nothing to do with god and nothing to do with the bible’s sense of morality. Morality by man, as you put it, is indeed relative. The Nazis were fucking christians or whatever, they believed in god, they thought what they were doing was right, and the hated Jews. That’s the right way you think?? You really think there is a “master race” like aryans?
I myself would be considered an aryan…but I personally have always been ashamed of being a white, middle class, western civilization consumer. I think the only more evolved people are the more open minded, benevolent, intelligent, and humble people. It has nothing to do with race. I know a lot of Americans (the superior race as you put it) who are complete imbeciles. In fact, most every American I know are white, ignorant, imbeciles.
Free yourself, you’re chained and you’re stuck
Your ego’s big, your cranium’s fucked

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@billmasterson098, What I will say about Hitler and National Socialism is that it was quite possibly the most efficient ways to run a society. Considering Germany had received sanctions from the rest of the world due to WW1, Germany was hit hardest by The Great Depression, but under National Socialism the came back to be the dominant power in the world.

A lot of people credit the success of National Socialism to Jewish slavery, but the slavery came predominantly in the war years, the decade before that was just a very efficient system. Too successful, it became a legitimate threat to Capitalist Nations all over the world, or rather a threat to Capitalist entities in the nations of the world.

Fascism is where Hitler went wrong, his “Master Race” superiority complex led the experiment down a very dark path. Maybe the Evil of Hitler and the Nazis has been over-stated by the Capitalist entities, with the purpose of making sure no one ever pursues National Socialism again, or maybe I’m just throwing wild conspiracy theories out there, but if that is true it has worked well.

Considering it is National Socialism that built Nazi Germany, but Fascism that brought it down, maybe in a world where we can completely prevent Fascism we can risk National Socialism?

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marcus anderson (14) (@billmasterson098) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@jakefloria, i said if i TOOK 100 Africans from Africa….i meant their intellect will be determined by their circumstances (third world country) as Ray Butler said.

As for God I was simply meaning the idea of God, of this absolute morality, that governs over us. This idea of divine good that gives us serenity, and keeps us from eradicating vast portions of the population.

You do Jake sound a lot smarter then me haha. I was simply stating a scenario, as if i was this world leader working for the Elite Illuminati and bent on human progress, with this ‘means justifies the ends’ attitude.

Yeah man I think your right, love and compassion, empathy and sympathy, humanity. Fuck EGO, narcissm, pride. I guess the bible was right about that. Lucifer/Satan , the devil, is associated with this deadliest sin. He is the embodiment of it. Of evil.

Eradicate evil :)

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I am not sure what you know about Hitler but Hitler was not following any type of Atheist view. He was not even an Atheist.

His views on the “Ultimate” race were completely flawed. His views were some sort of inbreeding using what he thought was the best race. This is completely flawed.

If you mix a African man/women with a White Man/Women you will get much stronger genes. People of mixed races are far better at fighting off diseases than none mixed. Mixing any races is a great thing for the children. They will be smarter in most cases and have new genes that were not part of both parents before… Unlike keeping the same races breeding.

It is like when you have these Pedigree Dogs. You find they have a lot of problems due to inbreeding. You mix dog breeds and you get much better dogs.

I am amazed at this line:
“The black people in Africa are poor, dumb, weak, diseased and plentiful. Western civilization in the Americas are more advanced (barely in some cases).
Should we, as world leaders, just kill off these ‘inferior’ ‘humans’,”

This is a very narrow view… and a wrong one. This is one of the views Hitler did have. He was very wrong.

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Anonymous (53) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

…Despite an outcry in Parliament and heated debate in the august salons of the Royal Geographic Society, Galton insisted that ‘the history of the world tells the tale of the continual displacement of populations, each by a worthier successor, and humanity gains thereby’.
A controversial figure, Galton was also the pioneer of eugenics, the theory that was used by Hitler to try to fulfil his mad dreams of a German Master Race.
Eventually, Galton’s grand resettlement plans fizzled out because there were much more exciting things going on in Africa….

Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1036105/How-Chinas-taking-Africa-West-VERY-worried.html

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/students/pop/articles/lacey3.html
And the band played on… 1970


One, two
One, two, three, four

People moving out, people moving in
Why? Because of the color of their skin
Run, run, run but you sure can’t hide
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth
Vote for me and I’ll set you free
Rap on, brother, rap on

Well, the only person talking about love thy brother is the preacher
And it seems nobody’s interested in learning but the teacher
Segregation, determination, demonstration, integration
Aggravation, humiliation, obligation to my nation

Ball of confusion
Oh yeah, that’s what the world is today
Woo, hey, hey

The sale of pills are at an all time high
Young folks walking round with their heads in the sky
The cities ablaze in the summer time
And oh, the beat goes on

Evolution, revolution, gun control, sound of soul
Shooting rockets to the moon, kids growing up too soon
Politicians say more taxes will solve everything
And the band played on

So, round and around and around we go
Where the world’s headed, said nobody knows
Oh, great Googamooga
Can’t you hear me talking to you?

Just a ball of confusion
Oh yeah, that’s what the world is today
Woo, hey, hey

Fear in the air, tension everywhere
Unemployment rising fast, the Beatles new record’s a gas
And the only safe place to live is on an Indian reservation
And the band played on

Eve of destruction, tax deduction, city inspectors, bill collectors
Mod clothes in demand, population out of hand, suicide, too many bills
Hippies moving to the hills, people all over the world are shouting
‘End the war’ and the band played on

Great Googamooga
Can’t you hear me talking to you?

It’s a ball of confusion
That’s what the world is today, hey, hey
Let me hear ya, let me hear ya, let me hear ya

Sayin’ ball of confusion
That’s what the world is today, hey, hey
Let me hear ya, let me hear ya
Let me hear ya, let me hear ya, let me hear ya
Sayin’ ball of confusion

The Temptations

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Alejuandro (0) (@Valdiggado) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

This is probably the most shallow understanding of global social structure I’ve seen. You’re looking at the symptoms of centuries of monarchical imperialism and the machinations used to sustain that system and interpreting it as truth. European royalty advanced on the backs of the poor. Intellect costs money to cultivate at that time. Money that only the top 4% could afford. When those ideas and knowledge were introduced to the public, then and only then did you see the great leaps in technology allowing for more efficient means to work and allowing the poor to make their own money. You forget that neither Algebra nor Geometry was invented by white people, and those are the basis’ of all proceeding math and science disciplines. Why do I feel trolled? You’ve got to be a troll…

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Frannypack11 (1) (@franny11) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

This may be one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read. You wanna know why those third world people have problems, because of over privileged people like you that want to steal from, experiment on, and use and kill races that were once strong. I hope the people with minds like you become the minority and they become the majority and use you all how you use them. Your everything I hate about the average American, your not superior or smarter you are just a long line of low vibration thinkers, that don’t know how to co exist so your answer is take over. white America has for the longest had their foot on Africa’s neck, if they ever dare lifted it, people like you would parish. If someone came to your home stole your everything I’d like to see how well your ass evolves.

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Viner Cent (50) (@Viner-Cent) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Uhh, with Hitler you have found an expert here. That “killing the weak for the others to evolve” us called Darwinismus. It is considered the greatest crime next to the murdering of Jewish people. Euthanasie, the murdering of phisically or mentally dissabled kids is a unbelievable crime. Humans should never help evolution, it never works out. And your “a hudred black and a hudred white people” isn’t true. Take coloured people from the US or someplace where they are integrated, there won’t be a difference. And why are the people in Africa in such a bad state? Colonialism. Spain, France, Portugal, Germany, US, Japan and many others had colonies and what they did was exploiting the people in fields, in mines or factories to get resources or products as cheap as possible. The most contires freed themselves through fighting against the colonialists, wich left as they left armed mightthirsty groups behind. And these are still fighting over the countries, criminality, corrupcy and violence is still holding tight on to these countries. The warlords are scarcing the land, and they don’t see any sense in spending money (their own money) to build a working society If they can have what they want with violence and weapons. These people don’t have a bit of the chance we in the “western world” have.

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Viner Cent (50) (@Viner-Cent) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

If you are talking about evolution take a look at this
Juan Enriquez: Will our kids be a different species?

http://on.ted.com/rLux

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@Viner-Cent, Thanks for this. It was really really interesting!!

So glad you posted this :)

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Viner Cent (50) (@Viner-Cent) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@dafunks I love that video, there are a lot of extremely interesting vids on that website, it is absolutely worth taking a look at it once in a while (*hint* they’ve got an android and iOS app)

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I think for the last days I’ve been on the downside negative outlook of my species. I just open my browser and read the most ridiculous viral garbage. “How to fuck”, “How to eat”, “How to speak”. The so called self-help businesses are either making the world believe they are dumb or the world really is full of dumb people. I prefer to believe the former, but when Idiocracy seems more like reality than fiction I get discouraged.

“If I put 100 black people in Africa and 100 white people from England in a class room who do you think will get higher exam scores?..the white of course”

What the fuck is up with this shit? Africa is a fucking CONTINENT. Not every country in it is a third world country. And not everyone in England is the sharpest knife in the drawer.

“The black people in Africa are poor, dumb, weak, diseased and plentiful.”

“Western civilization in the Americas are more advanced (barely in some cases).”

No comment. It’s like I’m reading an interpretation of a 3rd generation professional TV watcher.

What the hell, man?

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Frannypack11 (1) (@franny11) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Yessss @beyond this article is beyond ridiculous!

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Joshua (13) (@captaincthulhu) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

what the fuck? that’s all i have to say….

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Nick (0) (@thedoo101) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

To eliminate races and certain populations is not going to help the human species. Genetic variation is an important part to any species’ survival. Maybe there is a way to narrow the species down to a few good groups, but that lowers our chance as a species to survive. Plus, each population has culture, information and experiences that should be treasured and respected.

I agree that a species made of the fittest would be more efficient, but biology says you need more variation to make a stable species.

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@billmasterson098,
Take 100 africans from africa and 100 europeans from europe and ask them about fractal mathematics, who will come out on top?
The Africans, of course!

Its all about context.

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marcus anderson (14) (@billmasterson098) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I was simply meaning should we kill off the weak in order for the strong to prosper and not be slowed down in advancement, I’m not saying blacks are stupid and incapable of learning, just that there environment in impoverished Africa they have been put in have rendered them less developed (by the millions), and that a ‘survival of the fittest’ attitude will deem them the weakest link.

But know this was just a scenario. Its probably what a lot of evil world leader, elitists, those in power, Illuminati would think. I certainly don’t believe in this.

Man these replies are awesome. Thanks for enlightening me all of you. I have been labelled a troll by one of the comments which makes me feel stupid, but I’m on this site to learn, with the help of all of these comments.

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Kforkonner (59) (@kwelch5528) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

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In the utilitarian mind, Hitler’s idea wasn’t a bad one, just the way he brought it up was. He found Jews to be inferior when in reality they weren’t, which already shows the massive problems of this idea. That once you have one person to decide what is superior you only have that point of view. But the idea to sacrifice a couple inferior people to make future generations better is just the same idea of killing ten people to save thousands.

At the same time, who has the right to say what is superior. You may be right that whites may have a better intelligent, but at the same time Africans seem to be more physically inclined. So maybe its not that whites are smarter, but have had a longer time to expand their mind instead of trying to survive day by day.

Also once you start choosing the superiors you have taken away natural selection and brought up social-ital selection. Which is already in our everyday and seems to be taking the turns for the worst.

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@billmasterson098, It is challenges like this topic that I enjoy. They are real life things that I think most people think about once in their lives.

Have you read Dan Browns new book? It comes up with something like this. It deals with how the human race is hitting a cliff edge with overpopulation. One time (In the very near future) we will get to a point where resources will not be enough to feed, house and give drinking water for all humans. The book deals with (In a great way)a of ways to stop it.

The world health organization helps people live. It saves lives and cures things that should kills humans. This is making our numbers grow even faster. The book asks if they should be doing this? Should they help at all? If it right for us even to help? Will helping them kill our own future children?

In the book it deals with someone who wishes to unleash something that would (maybe, without spoiling it) get our numbers down (By a lot). People try stopping it but they start to also question if it is a good thing… Murder on mass scale? A good thing? It might be.

Check out the book if you have time. It has given me something to think about. I think about it all the time…. I still have no idea what my views on it are yet.

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marcus anderson (14) (@billmasterson098) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

That book sounds really good, ‘Inferno’ right. Definitley a moral complication there.

Do the ends justify the means?

You hear of these depopulation conspiracies , 85 % of the world population shalled wiped out by the world elite. Scary stuff..

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@billmasterson098, Yes its called Inferno. Check it out.

I keep falling on both sides. I agree that people need to be culled. They do… But do i dare say that? Is it bad to think it?

The end of the book (Without giving it away) does an amazing job of dealing with it.

It is a BIG damn issue that is not going away. If anything we alone are making it much worse. We blame Teens for having children but they are a very small %. the problem is 3rd world countries and the lack of birth control. It is also the problem of curing these things that are killing people… But, do I feel bad about saying this? Yes. Would I stop people saving other peoples lives? I would not.

This is why it is a hard issue. If nothing is done we will end in war and necessary genocide.

It also talks about how the Black Death was one of the best things to happen to the Human race and this planet. It tells us how if it was not for the black death we would have died out…

The way I can see us getting around it is by finding another planet to infect with the human race.

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Anonymous (119) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@billmasterson098, Alright let’s not try to sound too ignorant here shall we?

‘If I put 100 black people in Africa and 100 white people from England in a class room who do you think will get higher exam scores?..the white of course’

The entire ‘class room’ system is a westernized concept. I wouldn’t doubt the first interaction within a ‘class room’ setting by the first African Americans happened forcefully due to western indoctrination and adapting to the western concept of religion (Protestants who set up schools and discuss God and God’s will with those ‘less fortunate’) This happened all over the Congo and actually all over the world in various cases of white expansion.

Oh yeah not to mention that English wouldn’t be an Africans native language? So that’s another obvious advantage.

Why don’t we take the class outside to go scavenge for food in the open plains amongst lions? Or perhaps to the river mouth to get some water while avoiding those sneaky crocs?

‘You can’t judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree.’

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