"Existence?" A qustion even worth remembering?

 nol eagle (@nolayte)7 years, 6 months ago

Think back and how much of the past can you accurately remember, probably the past 5-10 min accurately and the further you go back the more vague and the more holes there are right? It is a fact that you existed in the holes in our memories in order to progress through time but it feels as if we didn’t exist at all. The time I am taking to write this probably won’t be remembered by the me 20 years from now; so if the moment your in and the satisfaction or sadness or anger will soon be forgotten and pretty much cease to exist how can we claim were alive? When most of out life will be forgotten by our self how can we even call that life?

February 27, 2014 at 1:24 pm
Conner J. (1,558) (@connerj93) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

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nol eagle (2) (@nolayte) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Semi relevant but not entirely… it was a nice video though :D

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

The reality of my memory compared to the actuality of my existence does not compare.
I type these words, so I am alive. If others say nay, it is not my problem.

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nol eagle (2) (@nolayte) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

But the you who typed those words is in the past and so is the you who is reading this post, ten min from now so the existing you now we be forever in the past

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

I don’t remember, sorry.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Who we are is automatic, but our knowledge progresses with time and experience, and our emotional responses adapt with that knowledge and experience. It is a duality; a fixed core and a floating variable that orbits, we can choose which to make master and which to make the subject.

If you go with the variable as master then you become your knowledge and emotion, a dynamic and chaotic relationship, a rollercoaster ride, but if you go with your fixed core then knowledge and emotion become tools to aid the natural sense to design your actions.

I’d say most people live in their emotion and intellect, often not even aware of the core, but to exist in the core you must be extremely aware of your knowledge and emotion, and how they may influence you in ways you would not naturally or automatically choose, see how you can be made their slave if you let them.

Memory is patchy because it isn’t as vital as we think, what it does is provide advanced applications, to be without it would create a state where you are truer to yourself, just incapable of complex tasks. You see movies where a character has amnesia and is a really nice person, but as their memory comes back they turn out to be a bad or dangerous person.

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Anonymous (64) (@) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

I spend so much time getting lost in my thoughts lately, usually memories. I sometimes drift away while sitting by myself and starting thinking about some event that happened in the past. Minutes up to even an hour will pass by and I am so engaged in that memory that I have no awareness of the present. I’m getting over some emotional stuff in my life and it has triggered these living in the past dream like state. Also I think meditation has contributed to this because it taught me how to concentrate my mind, but also made me aware that I could lose myself in my thought. Sometimes when i sit to meditate I simply exist (or am witness to) my memories for a whole hour. Messed up.

But as I sit here typing I recognize that I only have memories of having those memories and soon this too will be a memory. Reiterative….

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nol eagle (2) (@nolayte) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

The word at the beginning of this sentence is like a cloud of smoke forever beyond my attempt to capture the exact feeling of creating it and so will be any other word I ever right.

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Anonymous (64) (@) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Words I used to understand because I had the breath of enthusiasm for which to inflate them fully and to light them extraordinarily but now fall flat with the emotion worn out of them trodden underfoot and left to decay until the breath of autumn or spring roots rot the ashen structure of their being. They are memories, meer placeholders for some other life that will never be

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Take into account without memory, you’d just be standing there. You wouldn’t know what to do, because you can’t remember. All these ‘automatic’ things we do are only automatic because of our memory. Like people with Alzeimers forgetting to go to the bathroom. Memory goes way beyond what you’re describing.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

I don’t think I addressed your point though, because who am I to define what your existence means?

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

how did that ‘automatic things’ get into your memory?

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

You tell me

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Bono (18) (@bono95zg) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

i dunno… you seem to know how it works you tell me :P

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

I don’t have your answers.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

@nolayte Well its easy to claim were alive as long as were living in this moment and being conscious. But it is funny how over time memories fade and we fail to remember so many things from our past.

I also find it weird that we remember the weirdest and smallest details of certain things from our past. The weird thing for me is also that its usually the same memories that keep popping up over time.

I think that if the things we do in life are extraordinary we will have those memories and experiences either forever or for longer. Also I am starting to get more and more into spirituality and if you believe in it, we will have those memories forever but wont be able to recall them until we are in our eternal/spirit form. Just some other things to think about.

Peace!

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

“Think back and how much of the past can you accurately remember, probably the past 5-10 min accurately and the further you go back the more vague and the more holes there are right?”

-Hmm, no. For me it’s the other way around.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Must be an alien thing teeheehee

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i4c1m2b (70) (@i4CiM2B) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

You actually do remember far more than you think you do and those memories will surface when you need them to. I Think that maybe your thoughts on this subject are part of a learning process that addresses the nature of linear time. Part one deals with the past. For the most part, you seem to have a grasp on what the past is all about. It is gone. What you get from the past is experience, knowledge and memories. Your mind is quite capable and does keep an accurate record of every moment of your life. Realize that the next 20 years can be sub-divided into 10,512,000 minutes. Just because you “forget” the vast majority of these moments of memory does not mean they are not stored. They can be brought into consciousness and often unconsciousness when triggered by a variety of circumstances. You can call for them out of need (ex 3+3=6). They will automatically insert themselves as cautions, warnings or conditioned responses to certain stimuli (don’t touch, that’s hot). You can search through them (What is that guys name? Where did I meet her? etc.) You even have “emotional” memories where certain events in the present resemble forgotten (but stored) events from the past that evoke the same emotional response. This is an example of an unconscious memory, the kind that leaves you scratching your head, wondering why you overreacted to the present circumstances.
Part 2 will deal with the future. Whereas the past has lost it’s substance, the future is no better because it only exists in your imagination as infinite possibilities filtered by probabilities. It is no more tangible than the past.
Hopefully, in part 3, you will discover what all the enlightened ones and higher minds have concluded from going through a similar learning process. Part 3 deals with the present. Unlike the past or future, the present is tangible. It is always right Now. It is where you “Live” by moments. You determine the length of each moment by the amount of time you are able to stay focused in that particular moment.
Imagine yourself moving through life with a huge bowl of cherries. Each cherry in the bowl is a future moment. There is one in your mouth that is this moment right now, and there is a trail of pits behind you.(past memories) The only cherry that really matters is the one in your mouth. You can taste it, savor it, enjoy it while you can because soon the good part will be gone and you have a decision to make. The best thing to do is spit out the pit (let go of the past) and pop another into your mouth(live in and enjoy another moment). You could keep sucking on the pit (dwell on the past) while staring at the bowl of cherries (daydream about the future) and thus waste away some of your limited life time. You can figure out the other possibilities, if the concept of living in the moment doesn’t appeal to you. I hope this helps you to resolved your existential crisis so that you can enjoy life right Now!

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nol eagle (2) (@nolayte) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

But your not conscious to any of those “stored memories” or at least I’m not. You can only access them when immediate need and for some reason that doesn’t sit well with me haha

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Joseph (114) (@warriors41) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

When I was a plant all I remember is feeling bathed in hot sun. Like a humid heaven filled with satisfaction. The rest was all sleep. Just cause you only remember the short important moments doesn’t mean what you are doesn’t exist. You don’t need to remember all that living stuff, you just do it all the time anyway. The little important things are good to remember, it’s where the beauty of life resides.

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nol eagle (2) (@nolayte) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

All those little things… prove to me they aren’t just figments that you just imagined up to keep yourself sane when you can’t ever recall them perfectly

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Joseph (114) (@warriors41) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

I can’t prove that. But what does it matter. All life is a story that’s made up. It’s all a dream. You imagined all of this? So be it! Have fun. Why not imagine it as something awesome.
Memories evolved because it’s important to remember which plant will kill you and which ones won’t. If you don’t remember or remember incorrectly then you’re dead. That’s why the little things are important.

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nol eagle (2) (@nolayte) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

If its all a dream why am I unable to relive and enjoy the satisfactions of yesterday?

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Joseph (114) (@warriors41) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

I don’t know. Why can’t you? Would you really want to?

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nol eagle (2) (@nolayte) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

I thought about this for a long while and came up with this; maybe were all perpetually trapped in the flash of life before you die that you supposedly have. Time only exists so that everything doesn’t happen at once

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Joseph (114) (@warriors41) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Ever heard of people that can remember everything in their life? It’s crazy. Watch the first part of this documentary: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/beautiful-minds-the-psychology-of-the-savant/
If you were able to relive any day of your life, all the time, you would go crazy. What you need to know is that everything is changing. Nothing lasts.

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