Exotic Dancing

 Huerfanita (@Huerfanita)7 years, 7 months ago

Hello guys!

I would love to hear peoples opinions on stripping.

Do you find it degrading, or empowering?

Beautiful or trashy? Sad or a smart way to get to where you want to go?

Spiritual or shallow?

Is it based on the situation.?

Shareeeee your thoughts

P.S. I’m new :) 1st topic !

November 13, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Kvothe (6) (@bradenmarchand) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@huerfanita hmm this is interesting haha. everything in life is subjective and relative… so nothing can really be generalized here. but yea i think for some they end up there, no person grows up hoping to be a stripper one day, its something they sort of fall into, despite the fact that they are still making their own decisions..

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Bryan Hellard (307)M (@xyver) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@huerfanita, Fuck I love sexy dancing… Belly dancers…

So good.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

ive been a stripper off and on for the past few years & how you feel about it has more to do with what club you work and the mini culture youre a part of than it does with the external.
on one hand id say every girl should try it once because its incredibly empowering and can really get you in touch with your inner goddess… but that was my opinion at the first club i worked which was wonderful (huge age and ethnicity range… big girls skinny girls… everything)
ive since danced in a few other cities and have really benn dissillusioned by the whole thing. In some places its not treated like a sexy temple.. but a service industry. like being a waitress. the club owners try to standardize the girls to a specific “look” and thats just a recipe for low self esteem. eventually youre not gonna be the idel and youll have to rethink your identity. it sucks.
if youre gonna dance my advice is not to think about the money.
work somewhere where there are older women and lots of variety. that way you know its a place you can grow into and that treats their dancers well.
dont worry about any of the owner or patrons or anyone… the person you care about is the dj. he will make or break the experience for you. you want to be his friend, tip him out, and be able to use your own music easily.
a club that wont let you play your own music isnt worth working at.
ive seen beautiful girls make no money & lets say less than beautiful girls make bank. its totall and completely about having a good time. poll tricks dont matter (they help) costumes dont matter.. its all about being in touch with the sacred sexuality within, if you do that you make hella money.
once a club i was in had the power go out and there was no music or anything & the guys were starting to walj out when someone shined a flashlight onstage and the girls started doing sets spotlight style. we made tons of money that night.

now. i hate money. its the root of all evil… but you gotta pay the bills.

really if you lack confidence (like i used to before dancing) it could be a great thing to do. you use a stage name, audition one night, or dance a shift to try it out (usually no stage fee for newbies) and see what happens. theres not a lot to lose & making 80$ is 5 minutes is pretty nice.

also most of the real $ comes from regulars who will usually pay 20$ a set just to talk to you. they come for companionship, not sex. remember that.

also some of my most importants moments of helping others were at a strip club. one night i didnt dance so much as sit and listen to a guy cry about his broken heart. he kept trying to tell me to go work because he didnt have any money but i told him i could see his need was greater and stayed to comfort him instead. sure i didnt have much cash that night but i got something much more important, to connect with someone who really needed it.
the best place to go to find people who need a friend, who need kindness, is the slums. thats what jesus did.

most strippers arent hookers.
most clubs have no touching rules- dont work anywhere that doest, its not worth it.

anyways i loved stripping while i did it. there were rough nights like with any job but over all it was incredibly positive and freeing.

ive typed this all on my phone in between errands, so im out. but im super passionate about the topic so if you have any questions for an actual dancer feel free to hit me up. it think the relevance of exotic dance spiritually and as a legitimate dance form are vastly underrated. (ive also done 15 years of tap jazz and ballet so i know what im talking about)

oh! and a perk is that sex toy stores and some tattoo artists will give strippera huge discounts for being frequent buyers. just sayin!

much love and luck to you on any unconventional lifestyle choices you make!

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Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

also i usually spell way better- lol. phone typing. im not a dumb stripper although my previous spelling may have misled you. :-) most of the women i know who strip are hughly intelligent people who just dont want to put up with the bullshit of a 9-5 usually because if school or wanting to be with their kids.
(its actually true)
who wants to be a wage slave anyways?
be a naked activist instead!

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genesis-of-mind (35) (@Genesis-of-mind) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@huerfanita, I think it’s based on the situation. I mean stripping, like any other sex work, is still a job and it should be respected as such.

I myself am not a stripper but I do think stripping is very empowering in most circumstances. I think pole-dancing and floor work is beautiful regardless of its whole ‘sex’ element. yet it can be quite a demanding job, sometimes working long shifts multiple nights in a row, so you can imagine it would be quite hard physically especially with the shoes.

If you’re asking this because you’re thinking about getting into stripping, you should go to a few clubs before making a commitment, especially considering the amounts of different kind of establishments. and also think about whether or not you see it as a temporary job or not, because most strip clubs still require you to get registered and future jobs may disapprove of it, as not everyone is as open minded.

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Huerfanita (8) (@Huerfanita) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@mamacoya, Thanks so much for your reply!
I would love to ask you some questions!! if you don’t mind :)

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

I wouldn’t want the focus to be seduction. It should just be beautiful. Dancing in my underwear for money in a way that makes men respect the female sexuality and passionate expression would be completely [email protected],

I would ignore the gross people.

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@huerfanita, I have considered it but ultimately could not do it. The farthest I got was working as a “cocktail waitress” is semi-revealing clothes, for 2 nights. It’s just not me, but if someone is happy doing that, more power to them.
Don’t get me wrong, I love boobs, but I personally do not like strip clubs or at least the couple I’ve been to, because the girls are feigning this sexual type of interest and rubbing on people when I can clearly see that they do not want to be there. Thinking of sexual situations as a commodity seems strange and unnatural. It’s a turn off rather than on for me. However I can see how it could be appealing as an art form or used for empowerment with the right mindset, and I’m aware that other people view sex differently. In short, it’s not for me but everyone should just do what they wanna do.

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Obviously, you’re not a golfer (605) (@donjaime23) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

1. hulu.com
2. search: “The Strip Game”
3. Never be able to go to a club again.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/163630

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Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@donjaime23, do you choose what you do based on what other people think? or what you think and feel? couldnt watch the vid but it doesnt make a difference to my personal experience.
there are always gonna be disrespectful jerks. you cant reach everyone- but you cant let negative people choose your path for you either

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Obviously, you’re not a golfer (605) (@donjaime23) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@mamacoya, Woah…chill out, Siddhartha. We’re talking about strip clubs here.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@donjaime23,

strip clubs are no exempt from your kindness, whatever your philosophy

but i do concede that i can be outspoken. I see god everywhere… and being called siddhartha can only be a compliment to me.

why can we not be conscientious in all our doings?
it seems to me that how a man treats a stripper is more indicative of his character than how he treats random women on the street.

perhaps you should consider that people hard on their luck are More deserving of kindness, instead of less.

@, if youre point is that you dont have to strip because you can work online- not everyone can afford internet. i know i couldnt for about a year there..

*** choices arent always easy- and considering the STIGMA most women do not become strippers lightly. as you can see there is usually a lot of trepidation and talking to people before most women feel comfortable.
What Do You Think That Says About How We Treat Womens Sexuality In This Country???
is it really something to be so afraid of that a women could get nude and dance around? OH NO CALL THE NUNS
were not talking about being a whore anyway! and even if we were- its her choice!
what gives anyone the right to give her a hard time?

You cant even bring up the subject without being assaulted by gender biased misogyny- and its so prevalent we dont even know were doing it. Dont spread negative videos- whats the point? why preemptively shame her by suggesting alternatives (as though she hasn’t thought of it herself) because being a stripper is just
Oh So Horrible, right?

let me tell you as a girl who as been a stripper (and thats not all i am, thank you) the only horrible thing about it is the dudes that go to the club assuming the girls who work there are somehow less-than. The worst thing about being a stripper is the people who automatically look down on you because of puritanical ideas that they themselves probably would never entertain if they took one moment to consider their own position.

let me help you:
Women have ownership of their own sexuality. theres nothing immoral about erotic dance- its awesome and sacred if people would only treat it that way.

You create your own reality

frankly i think its an absurd thing to have to defend.

much respect and love to all of you- i realize i get really impassioned, but when people are negative about stripping it is very personal and very offensive to me & im not the only woman who feels that way. so i apologize if i sound rude, but please take a moment to consider that not every stripper hate herself for her choices.
and perhaps they dont like those choices called into question right and left.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

its degrading by society standards… the fact that you do it anyway says SOMETHING

I’m not sure exactly what that something is

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@huerfanita, It’s an opportunity to make a living, I’ve got no real opinion beyond that, people do what they gotta do and if they are lucky they enjoy what they do.

I’m more about simple living myself, I’m happy with my daily bread and a few small pleasures so I don’t find it necessary to make any kind of extreme career, but some people want more and that’s up to them how far they will go for those extra comforts, and this applies to both dancers and the clientele, and any other avenues people choose to work or consume.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist,

oh right because opposing the will of society is… what? unappealing to you in some way?
i see your tagline is about jesus…

would you say that He just went with the culture flow or did he make his own way?

and for the record if he were alive today do you think hed be hanging out with the golf-video dudes being hateful or with the stripper with the heart of gold? i guess well have to read The Bible to find the answer to That.
hmmmm…

all ive been preaching is kindness to people who need it if you read my words. if you cant tell who those people are maor sad for you. all you seem to be alluding to is more judgement- though i guess i cant have a proper debate or defence since youve chosen to be so comfortably vague.
what was it? judge not…
maybe you can remind me.

but then you didnt outright Say anything, did you? i guess its easy to post when all you have to do is assume a holier than thou attitude and think it means youve won.
congratulations. oppress sexual expression. good for you.

but i can tell you im down with jesus & philosophy & i can debate this all day- so when you figure out exactly what your Opinion Is me feel free to let us know.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

heres a thing i want answered!

why is it assumed that to live a spiritual life you have to forsake your flesh entirely?

im of the opinion that the body is the garden of the soul.

were here in this life neing human for a reason, arent we? do all of you truly believe that the way to live a highly conscious life is to be a monk or a sannyasin?
if so why dont you forsake sex?
and if you have not what gives you the right to be critical of any sexual expression?

why is stripping so threatening to people?
why does it make you so uncomfortable?
i really want to know- because ive not hurt anyone. as far as i can tell my having been a stripper has only enabled me to encourage others to be more confident.

& if youre a person who thinks sex is sinful why are you even reading this thread? for your own sick gratification? lol. how many levels of weird repression is that?

im just saying sexuality is an important human experience. stripping isnt sex, but its an homage to sex and maybe thats whats really threatening. its a golden calf and those idols are so shiny and enticing, arent they? and maybe if we look too long at them well forget our real gods… temptation.

well theres no way to resolve this.
ultimately its not what you do but how you do it.

but remember that strippers are People, not some amorphous
guild of mindless harlotry.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@mamacoya, Holy shit I said I didn’t know what it meant.

Settle the fuck down lady. If you’re getting this defensive about stripping you should evaluate yourself.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

I can see in this thread here, that feelings about stripping run the gamut of reactions, good, bad, and everything in between. Idk. Me a little while ago would have said it’s degrading, but I am not everybody so I cannot speak for everybody. I have not been to any strip clubs, nor do I have any desire to go in the future. I just don’t think it’s a worthwhile way to spend money and time, I don’t think it is a tasteful activity. Also, I think I would just feel like a huge loser doing this, I’d feel like a major creep. Like the “naked guy in a trenchcoat” cliche. And I wouldn’t be too proud if my mother, sister, gf/wife, or daughter became a stripper. I just don’t think it’s a classy lifestyle. But I’m only speaking about what it means to me.

To everyone who is pro-stripping/strip clubs/whatever, do what you want, it’s a free country. I’m not insulting you – just saying, going to a strip club is not for me. Just like I found out smoking weed wasn’t for me.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist,

you evaluate yourself!

thats just the point- to you its “just stripping” so its easy to be dismissive.
like most men it just a pastime you can make fun of and forget about- but i did it to take care of my family.
what do you do? do you get flack for your job all the time?

you cant begin to imagine the hell ive gotten from much scarier assholes than you.
so dont tell me to evaluate myself.
i made insightful observations- what did you contribute other than trying to shut me up?

if you dont know why say anything? you just want to make implications and not stand behind them? that shit is rude. If you have something to say, say it.
If you dont want to hear what i have to say youre free to stop speaking to me at your leisure-
i wont mind, trust me.
this is tedious nonsense.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

OKAY

actual stripping talk!

I know a lot of dancers who dont claim their tips so are really committing tax fraud if were being black and white, and yet it keeps them off welfare and other such social programs…

which is the lesser evil here?
ive always thought it was an interesting point of contention.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@mamacoya, that kind of brings up a point of why the idea of strip clubs make my skin crawl. How many strippers would stay in the business if magically no one lacked money anymore? How many girls would get naked for creepy, catcalling guys if they didn’t have to worry about the bills anymore? That’s how I’ve always felt about it. It’s a stark example of people trading their dignity for money because nothing is offlimits in this world, there is no floor where you can stop sinking, there’s no safe zone you can run to when you’re out of strength, energy, cunning, and most of all money – when you’re down and out you are forced to make unsavory choices just to eat. And if I were a strip club patron, I’d feel like I was preying on the girls’ desperation. I’d feel like a rotten person.

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Yael Alonso (59) (@YaelAlonso) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

Exotic dancing is an art form, unfortunately it is used as a way to sell sex instead of female, or male, beauty and elegance. It is a skill and a hard one at that. It is also very sensual act, hopefully in the future exotic dancing will be appreciated and watched like a ballet instead of a mental jerk off.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@theskafish, @yaelalonso,

it can totally be a last resort, and i appreciate that you dont want to take advantage of girls… but even girls that have to be there for money are going to have a better time if the guys that show up are the kind that consider that and respect them as women.
you work at your job because you have to as well, but no one deels guilty about the services you provide.
it is a performing art and as long as its appreciated it can be wonderful… and if youre nice to a girl whos dancing and positive that makes her feel good- then maybe she doesnt have to feel like shes selling her dignity.
its only because of jerks thats she has to feel she is.
if you treat the girls like theyre powerful and beautiful then theyll start to feel that they are…
thats how we create culture! & i think we desperately need a culture of acceptance about nudity and sexuality… its how we are, sex is a fundamental way that men and women relate to eachother.
maybe if we could start treating strippers with dignity we could change the larger culture to reflect that change.
its true- strip tease is an art form… and an extremely styalized dance form! its not all raunchy… you have to have serious muscle control and upper body strength to do advanced pole tricks and there are as many nuances to the other parts of the dance as to ballet- ive studied a lot of dance styles and stripping is no less intricate. it has a mini culture of its own
the girls want men in the clubs who appreciate that! if you appreciate women you should go to strip clubs because they need to hear it.
if only jerks go were enforcing the idea that it is shameful.
so make society a better place and go buy a lapdance ;)

lol. dont i rock at persuasion?

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@mamacoya, “what did you contribute other than trying to shut me up?”

You are a work of art

I never understood going to strip clubs. Its like paying for blueballs. SWEET. COUNT ME IN!

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Yael Alonso (59) (@YaelAlonso) 7 years, 7 months ago ago

@mamacoya, Hahaha, I agree, but the sight of all those thirsty horny men would make me go insane if I walked in there. I just wish that the owners of these places didn’t purposefully make them look sketchy.

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