{female sexuality} "I'M THE DUKE UNIVERSITY FRESHMAN PORN STAR… "

 Tine (@tine)7 years, 5 months ago

hello, though male opinions are always welcome, i am mostly posting this here to gauge the female perspective, so dudes, if youre gonna comment, first realize this wasnt really directed to you so please dont be an asshole,

i stumbled upon this article and it speaks for itself, please read if interested. i am interested in your reaction to what she is doing, is it something that can be reasoned, are her feminist ideas logically sound, anything else you wish to add.

like i said, i am looking to poll how woman feel about other woman who do this, and how you respond to her explanation.

thanks for replying

Article

I’M THE DUKE UNIVERSITY FRESHMAN PORN STAR AND FOR THE FIRST TIME I’M TELLING THE STORY IN MY WORDS

Link

http://www.xojane.com/sex/duke-university-freshman-porn-star?utm_medium=facebook

February 23, 2014 at 11:24 am
Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

Obviously I’m not a woman, but personally I think it sucks that people do things because they Need to, ideally I’d like a world where what we do is for reward only, be that fiscal reward or more personal fulfilment.

Some people are lucky that they enjoy what they do, or are at least happy to tolerate it for building something else their heart is set on, but it sucks when people have to betray themselves for the fact that if they don’t they will either not get what they want or worse, not even be able to survive.

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

Are you saying she is betraying herself?

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

No, in her case I am saying some people are lucky enough to make money doing what they enjoy, if that is the case or whatever, I cant judge. But people in general will do some things in life that are objectionable to their preferences, even violating to them, that should really be up to them if they are willing to sacrifice for compensation, not do it because they have no other choice.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

Ideally people should have options between the “big-score” but not have to do it because needs are ultimately provided and they can fall back on that. I just think things should be chosen, and the reward befitting that effort, not forced upon us for no other resolve.

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

i get your point, i just dont think her ‘need’ is really such,i think her saying she needs to fuck to get through college is more of a justification for doing.

i also dont think she needs any kind of justification, she shouldnt have to defend what she is doing cause its really nobodies concern, it wasnt hurtin anyone until everyone started making a big deal about it,

she should say, i wanted money, i wanted an ivy league school, i like to fuck.

instead we got dipped into the feminism movement

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

This.
All of it.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

Exactly, she kills two birds with one stone in my opinion; she makes money doing what she enjoys, that is far more profound than any attempt to justify behaviour.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

The fact is; there are people out there who do things because they have to, not because they want to, if they are philosophical word-smiths who can play down the situation or not, it still sucks ass.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

She does something she enjoys and it pays for her education, I’d rather a society where she does what she enjoys, keeps the rewards and doesn’t have to pay for a decent education. (of course I suppose it depends on the education in question, but I’d say education should really depend on personality and potential, maybe a balance of what we are capable of becoming, what we want to become and what society may need us to become, but not on the cash we have to fork out to get it. We used to have Career counsellors that could help us figure out our potential and where there were opportunities available in that sense)

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

see, i agree with this, bc there is also the reality that she didnt have to chose Duke, a 30-60k / yr school, she could have gone to pretty much any other school and it would have been cheaper, cheaper to the point where she wouldnt ‘have’ to sell her body to go there, she could have just gotten a normal parttime/fulltime job like many other students before her.

so, where i agree she can do as she pleases with her body, i disagree with her wordsmithing that her porn was some act of need, no, it was a choice, a quick, easy way to get a ton of money,

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

2/2 having said this, i think any other explanation than, ‘i wanted to make a lot of money, quickly’ is kinda of an excuse, like, i dont feel this is a feminist issue, but i do feel like she trying to make it that

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

It sounded like she didn’t make it one until she got harassed. I didn’t think her language was conveying that she had to justify inappropriate actions,but sharing the explanation for her choices.

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

o, i dont think she needs to defend herself at all, im just pointing that as a justification for her actions she felt the need to draw lines to feminist issues, which, i dont think this is that, this is a personal choice

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John Cooper (5) (@John Cooper) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

As a man, I don’t really care what she does. It’s her life, her body. She can do with it what she wants. I’m not prejudiced in any way.

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

amen and agreed

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

Sex is artistic. She seems like an intrinsically motivated nice girl. I don’t really like when we people start saying We need this and We need that but I like that she is representing the female sexuality with a socially prestigious role as a student so people can’t deny the intelligence of it. If women took full ownership of their sexuality a LOT of things would change.

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

that’s true, there are a lot of other things sex workers spend their earnings on, regardless her choice of making, its more what she is doing with it that matters

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

It’s just a good opportunity to invite people to question the social boundaries

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

well, the really revealing question is whether or not you would do it

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

what would be so revealing about that? haha

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

I wouldn’t feel ashamed or guilty about it but at this point in my life I wouldn’t feel comfortable having sex with so many different people. If I was her I would do it…?

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

yea, if the circumstances were the same, age, college level, etc

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Koko (1) (@kasey81) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

I want to know if her parents know she’s doing this.

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

i agree . probability wise though, her parents and her relationship with them is why her life has taken such an extreme turn

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

If a person takes full ownership of its own sexuality, wouldn’t that mean no more sex and just a bunch of self-stroking?

If man and woman don’t “own” part of each other… wouldn’t romance and erotic passion vanish entirely?

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

truee truee. thats the point. I was meaning more women taking control of that potential power.

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thepatient (1) (@thepatient) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

“If women took full ownership of their sexuality a LOT of things would change.”

Like what?

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

So much personal power comes from the urge to procreate. Women are uber sexual naturally but I think if there was a more spiritual appreciation for it among women the confidence that is diminished by the media’s expectations could be restored. More confident people leads to more energy, more inspiration.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

So wait, you’re saying women’s (and the media’s) view of sex isn’t spiritualised enough, and that if it were more spiritualised it would give more confidence and less anxiety? Is that what you’re saying?

Looks more like the exact opposite is true.
Making a big deal of it, bloating expectations, acting like its some magical stuff that must be made special, trying to look like one is doing it all just right, worrying about not making it magical enough… etc…

That, and the complete disregard of man’s nature, combined into a perfect fuckup that generates loads of anxiety, suppressed desires, dissatisfaction and self esteem issues.

Women gotta realize that it’s just fucking sex. Stop making a big deal of it.

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

No…interacting more instinctively instead of making it all about the image or idea of it that I think is encouraged more. I’m not suggesting making a bigger deal of it at all.

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

I guess what I see a lot is women that don’t seem honest and open about loving sex. So I’m suggesting that not be that way. lol

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

What a misunderstanding haha, sorry about that.

I think most of the time when people are being all withdrawn and lying about shit like this, it’s because they make a big deal of it and can’t handle the pressure that ensues.
Still a crappy excuse for being an unstable, lying idiot though.

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thepatient (1) (@thepatient) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

OK, so you’re basically saying that if women’s sexuality wasn’t repressed then their excess energy would be transmuted to different avenues of personal development? Hmm, didn’t really expect that response, but nonetheless interesting.

I’m also interested in an expansion of your comment below regarding women taking a more “instinctual” approach toward sexuality instead of being conscious of a media image. What would you say is the “image” of sexual interacting dictated via the media or wider social-expectations? Are you referring to female body-types and gender-roles concerning hetero sexuality? What exactly would a more instinctual female approach look like, and what would come of it? Btw, I hope none of this isn’t coming across as passive-aggressive nor condescending. I’m asking this because I’m genuinely curious.

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

Well.. I guess it’s the lack of really sharing anything. Lots of women look beautiful but they act smug and guarded with their personalities, or just really loud. There is a lack of communication, an emphasis on mystery and/or impression and women lose their personal expression, which in its purest nature is totally vibrant and fun ( and mysterious enough no matter how unveiled), and just way more intense and ultimately nourishing as a presence. I think this is because the image that we are trained to compare ourselves to is that supermodel deadpan catwalk look that is really not necessary AT ALL to be sexy. There is such a potential for connection in the feminine receptivity that a lot of women don’t fully use when interacting with men. We make such deeply affectionate relationship between women, but I think the love between men and women could be improved with it. I mean there are a lotttttt of fucked up unnecessary things barricading the communication between the sexes, but I think one is women not really being connected to their authentic sexuality and more of an image of it.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

Her video isn’t very artistic. Watch it, you might change your mind.

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

I did. It’s a style. lol

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Anonymous (328) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

Haha. I guess the low budget style adds to the whole play huh?

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Koko (1) (@kasey81) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

Where did you even find her video?

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

Well the videos are all over the web. Her performer name is Belle something, she has the “innocent” look along with a big forehead.
I did a quick google, and got a lot of search results. The link I clicked had 4 or 5 different videos, they were all lame though.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

There’s really nothing new about this.
A whole bunch of porn stars have said pretty much exactly the same things as this one.

I don’t know why people are so cranky about the porn thing in general, I mean, getting paid for having sex and at the same time getting a star-like status… that’s like fucking christmas, isn’t it?

But the whole article started blowing ass as soon as the regurgitated feminist bullshit overflowed.

It’s not the patriarchy that fears and shames sluts, it’s the jealous shitheads that do. As in, guys who can’t get laid, and bitches who wanna push other girls/women down to “get on top” of their imaginary hierarchy.
Mostly the latter.

Everyone is a “victim” these days, surrounded by a fucking army of straw men, aka imaginary oppressors. Yeah, there are real oppressive forces out there but there’s always someone else who gets the blame for it. Because people just want a fucking scapegoat for their own shortcomings and fears.

Ever since this whole prude thing came along ages ago, men have been trying to get women to come back out of their shells… but they always chose to listen to the handful of judgemental shitheads instead. That’s on them, but they’re trying to blame men for it. Fucking ridiculous.

Ironically, blaming only makes it real. Blaming someone gives them power over you.
So it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy, which all the victim-minded egomaniacs use to fuel their insanity.

Sex is sex. Porn is porn. Moralist nonsense is moralist nonsense.
You think people are judging you, but most of the time nobody is.

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

|| Everyone is a “victim” these days, surrounded by a fucking army of straw men, aka imaginary oppressors. ||

like how you worded that

|| You think people are judging you, but most of the time nobody is. ||

its all just you in the end

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

What this thread needs is music

The song is very relevant in my opinion

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

luul

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Anonymous (107) (@) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

lol i love their facial expressions

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Tine (366) (@tine) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

lol i hadnt seen the vid before … baha … that had to be such a fun band to be in, just cracking jokes and being disgusting while getting paid for it

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Kind of like being a sexworker then haha

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 5 months ago ago

Rocked that hard in high school.

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