Fuck Your Job

BirdFlyingHigh (@birdflyinghigh) 8 years, 10 months ago

I can never get motivated enough to be a good worker. This is true for any job that I have ever had. In fact, I’m going to be late for work right now and I just can’t give a fuck.

I think jobs are ridiculous. I think that they exist because some humans like bossing other humans around so they can make themselves rich. If people would stop being selfish, we would be able to regulate ourselves in our communities and get the work done that needs to be done. Instead, we have to take jobs that don’t suit our personalities or strengths just to prove we can work before we even get the possibility of finding a job that suits us.

Then, the rich people separate out education and make access to it based on wealth, so that they then have the justification that they NEED to boss everyone else around because they are smarter and it’s for everyone’s good. But they’re the ones who eroded public education in the first place.

Not to mention the fact that only certain “types” of people get to own or run businesses – otherwise, you are stuck in the black market if you want to be entrepreneurial.

I’ve always hated this game and I hate playing it.

January 25, 2013 at 8:52 am
Sugar Magnolia (375) (@melissaurban1991) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

amen. i just landed a full time position answering phones for admissions in a rehab, and i have a salary and the best benefits you could possibly get. and everyone around me is like YOURE SO LUCKY and im thinking no.. not i’m not. i waste my entire day sitting down in a stuffy office with miserable people talking to people on the phone who are at the lowest point in their lives. yeah i’m glad i’m helping people but this is a business like anywhere else and more often than not these people don’t have insurance or it doesn’t cover here, and i have to let them down when they are reaching out for help!!! i feel stuck because as much as i hate and don’t care about money the bottom line is i need it to live but am i really living? i don’t want to waste my life here so that i can die unfulfilled! so stuck. hate this game as well.

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possiblehubris (72) (@possiblehubris) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh, I hear ya. Have you read B.F Skinner’s book Walden Two, you should look into it.
What about the Valhalla movement?

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Levi Logan (15) (@levilogan1) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

It’s great to see others out there are sharing this dilemma. I guess we will all suffer as players of this “game” unless we act upon the courage to stop playing it…. Any tips on overcoming the fear?

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Anonymous (512) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@possiblehubris, What in the fuck?? Walden “2” as in a sequel to Thoreau’s original Walden?

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Ben (148) (@cognizantelephant) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh, ” If people ”

Hold on there. Are you saying that you think just regular PEOPLE make these rules and create complex societal layers in efforts of making themselves rich, because they want to?

None of that is true. These layers have been carefully constructed in order to give the majority of the population the incentive to strive after meaningless things, in order to fulfill a shitty social status or to simply put food on the table for their kids. The working class is a working class. It is designed as such.

OF COURSE it is ridiculous.

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possiblehubris (72) (@possiblehubris) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@levilogan1, Find your passion and go for it. Work hard and you can create it.

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possiblehubris (72) (@possiblehubris) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@optimystic, yes…what does your “What the Fuck” mean? Like you did not know about the book or you dislike the book?

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Anonymous (512) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@possiblehubris, I didn’t know there was a “sequel.” That’s crazy. I’m amidst Walden at the moment and enjoying the adventure immensely. Does Skinner take a more psychological approach?

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Ben (148) (@cognizantelephant) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

This isn’t a selfish thing. At any level in the workforce you will have someone telling you how to do your job. That’s unless you’re smart enough to separate yourself from the plan laid out for you and take advantage of what’s there. In my opinion that would be creating some reverse polarization for us to end the bullshit we have to deal with as a society. It would spread to the people’s moral structures, positively refining them.. but who’s to say the general population would be smart enough to notice such a thing.

Your motivation dilemma sounds like it stems from your mixed feelings about the demands of today’s working system. The customer service mentality, the low wages, the social stature of each position, the time required, etc. You wouldn’t be in the wrong to feel a little sour towards it. But when you lead that negative attitude into your work, you degrade the quality of the atmosphere, and you bring negative attention onto yourself. Kind of like rejecting the social part of it in a way, which people see as weird if they aren’t understanding of your ideas. The words of Stanley Kubrick, “However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light.”.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh, Amen. I do like technology though, it’s interesting. Without jobs we wouldn’t have neat things. I am wrapped up in materialism a little bit, but that is’nt a bad thing. I don’t know if a lot of people think about that.

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BirdFlyingHigh (152) (@birdflyinghigh) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@cognizantelephant, “That’s unless you’re smart enough to separate yourself from the plan laid out for you and take advantage of what’s there. In my opinion that would be creating some reverse polarization for us to end the bullshit we have to deal with as a society.”

Elaborate. Can you give me an example from your own life where you’ve taken proper advantage of a job?

I think that believing advancement is based on hard work instead of smart work is just a total lie. It’s a deliberate lie they tell us to make us shut up and put our heads down and work. If you work hard and you do your job well, you will be stuck in the same job forever because why would they get rid of you?

The idea that all it takes to move forward is a happy attitude is just one of the lies they want us to internalize. It makes us not think about how massively we are being ripped off, and when we look around and see that we have shit to show for all of our efforts, we blame ourselves instead of someone else.

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BirdFlyingHigh (152) (@birdflyinghigh) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@possiblehubris, I haven’t heard anything about the valhalla movement recently, do they have land?

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possiblehubris (72) (@possiblehubris) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@optimystic, Ya totally it is the creation of the utopian society. Not nearly as poetic or beautiful as Walden so don’t expect anything like the tone of Thoreau, but it is worth a read.
Came across this link while looking into the book:
http://loshorcones.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27&Itemid=23&371bc3b7b9e8a0be656ff3e40becf1e4=09a9e7c793debb2365760e7e7d26ac38
A community created to resemble the tenants of Walden 2.

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possiblehubris (72) (@possiblehubris) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh, Click on the link to the right. Yes they have land and they are building.

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Anonymous (512) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@possiblehubris, Gotcha. Well that’s awesome man. Really appreciate you sharing this stuff with me.

If we fail to exchange further in this conversation, have a wonderful rest of your day!

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Anonymous (0) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh I feel for you man, I was fortunate enough that by some solid support I was able to get through an education in something I love by the skin on my teeth. I just got a job and I plan on playing the game for now until I establish myself enough to make a real difference through my field.

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh, Our “fight club” conversation all over again. Thank you for making this thread.

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possiblehubris (72) (@possiblehubris) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@chic9009, that is what I had to do and am doing as a Therapist.

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Ben (148) (@cognizantelephant) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh, Yeah it is a lie. It’s something the owners laugh about as they sip tiger blood on their hundred story high penthouses. They’d work you into your grave and then tell you to piss off when you ask for a raise. It’s a really unfortunate business.

Well, taking advantage of a job is totally relative. How could you run an online website selling hats for a clothing company in Europe if you’re frying up hamburgers? I’m not saying it’s impossible to do both.. I’m saying that depending on what you want, you have to set your sights according to that. Some people can settle for a minimum wage job and are fine with it. Some want more, and if you want more, you gotta step your shit up son!

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh, I completely empathize and can’t love your post enough. The only part I disagree with is the entrepreneurship part – I don’t think it takes a special person to be an entrepreneur. I think you just have to read the right books and educate yourself on the matter, and then you will increase your chances at finding an idea for a business. I myself want to be an entrepreneur not because I love capitalism, but because I hate it and want to get out from under it. I want to feel like I am in control of my own life, and not just living to help someone else and theirs live like kings at the expense of my one and only existence.

Here’s some gritty, anti-work punk rock:
http://youtu.be/qgtNnq4WvCQ

In conclusion, fuck jobs, they are the institutionalized wasting of our lives.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@cognizantelephant, it is a lie. Beating your head against a wall is hard work. If you learn to work smart, eventually you will learn not to need a boss anymore…if no one needs a boss, the boss will run out of slaves.

You have a point in that you can’t win the game by not trying, but you aren’t taking into account tuition prices or the cost of start up capital, for starters. Not to mention how prohibitively expensive just about everything is becoming…good luck saving any money when the bills are more than you make because that’s all society has deemed you can get. Again, it’s like being a little kid and having a bigger one come up to you, take your arm and hit you with it, taunting you with “stop hitting yourself. why are you hitting yourself.” Most jobs do in fact just waste your time, energy, health, sanity, etc. just to make someone else richer. The only way out is to get good enough at something else to start a business of your own.

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Sounds like someone needs a new job.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@possiblehubris, I’m in engineering. Are you involved in the Valhalla movement? I’ve considered before but I don’t know how to help from here and I’m not exactly ready to pack up and move to Canada.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh, I seem to recall that you are an artist, specifically a sculptor? Perhaps you could make a business out of selling artwork, or open a store that does that (maybe even just an online store, so you don’t have to buy or rent a physical location), or teach lessons to people in your craft? I’m not sure how you feel about selling your art since I know some artists don’t like to mix passion with business, but I just thought I’d throw some ideas out there. You have a great advantage in that you have a skill already, it seems to me that starting a business is easy when a person is already good at something besides business.

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possiblehubris (72) (@possiblehubris) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@chic9009, No, I have just kept in touch with the movement through Jordan’s updates.

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