Fucking sick of chemtrails

ELizard (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 9 months ago

I miss the sky like I saw it as I was growing up. There was such a thing as a clear sky back then. I grew up in the beautiful farm lands of bucks county PA, plenty of planes fying over from nearby philadelphia international. Now I watch the sky in San Francisco ca everyday I work outside in awe of the IMMENSE amounts of material left behind about 2/3 of the planes in the sky. It’s like a mega grid of what at first looks like ‘contrails’ but as I watch closely they gradually fall and disperse with the currents of the sky before they reach close to ground as massive blankets of cloud like formations. Now that they are obvious to spot in the sky, when I visit family in PA, I see the same blanket effect being left behind but not nearly as heavily as SF, then I realize that many of the clouds in the sky are merely cloud like, perhaps carried over by the current from the polluted Philadelphia. I am disgusted by the impacts this could be having on natural ecosystems and quality of air and water. Sometimes I step outside in the morning and wonder why the sweetness in the air just doesn’t seem to be present. everyday this is symbol to me of how out of control our economic system is that military government and corporate interest make executive decisions behind the scenes as clearly we are not smart enough to be a part.. I mean. Wtf, whos paying attention?

March 5, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@heavydreamz, Preaching to the choir my friend!

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Manuel (5) (@manolengue) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

That’s nothing. Here in Santiago de Chile, the pollution is so much that you can’t see chemtrails.

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Taylor Little (71) (@tlrlittle) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@heavydreamz, Well I believe chemtrails are real, as far as military testing, I seriously doubt they would be dumping chemicals as frequently as you are saying in the heart of San Francisco. I think your being paranoid. The reason some contrails look different then others is due to altitude difference, your probably just so close to an airport that you see many of the low altitude trails that spread out easier.

I do agree though that the it’s sad what we are doing to our environment, and the air is disgusting, but I think you are listening to too many crazies on youtube.

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Heather (35) (@hhhkelly) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I’m with you on this @heavydreamz, ….. I want to bash every TV I see. I actually ask to turn it off while I’m at friends & family members homes. PEOPLE NEED TO GET OUTSIDE & CLEANUP.

much love

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Does anyone here realize the counter argument of what those are? Condensed water… i.e clouds?

A jet engine concentrates air to an extreme degree, as well as heats it up. This makes the density of the humidity out the back end of a jet more concentrated than the rest of the air and its super heated. It is also usually well below freezing up there, so the humid, hot air coming out the back cools quickly and condenses to form ice crystals and water vapor (clouds). Hence why they LOOK like clouds…

Just thought I’d bring that to everyone’s attention. This above is a completely rational point of view on the whole scenario…

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Nice video to explain the above:

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DeepWithin (120) (@deepwithin) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Of course. That’s how I’ve always looked at it, but..

As of lately I’ve seen more and more contrails. I think back to when I was younger and I can’t remember seeing something like this – not even close, actually. Often the whole sky is covered in a web of contrails which slowly blur out to a thin “cloud” layer.

It has definitely got my attention lately. It would of course be a very clever way to secretly release chemicals.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Probably.

Just for the sake of argument, check out the Alex Jones video with the director of HAARP.

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Put your word to action and watch the sky yourself. You can tell the difference between con trails and chemtrails. Chem trails often look like there is a rediculous amount of material left behind that if you watch it long enough, a couple hours later, has reached the lower layers of the atmosphere. Con trails flying right by that plane will have dissapeared in less than 20 min. I do consider the possibility that this is an atmospheric effect caused by a variety of factors but I watch the sky everyday, it seems pretty obvious to me something crazy is going on right in front of us all.

@deepwithin, Exactly it’s been increasing a lot in the past few months, I don’t remember anything like this when I was younger. I remember the beauty in the sky clearly at that age, now it just looks skid marked up

@tlrlittle, I am always surprised by it too. Wait till you notice one the size of what I’ve been seeing almost everyday around here

@ballsackturtles23, Right buddy, but I wouldn’t call it a choir

@hhhkelly, Right? It’s like noone whos quick to deny any of this has watched the sky for more than 5 minutes in the past year

I CHALLENGE, you all. Watch the sky for a whole day. Tell me if you can see a difference.

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Mosesonator (52) (@mosesonator) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

If it really is just atmospheric effects, then why can we see two planes in the sky at one time, while only one is leaving a trail behind?

Since they’re sharing the same atmosphere at the same time, you would think their ‘water’ would also react the same. It doesn’t.

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Andrew Wylde (9) (@bewylde) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mosesonator, differences in engine types and heat outputs for the different engines that is assuming you’re actually looking at a jet engine and not propeller driven. Also does anyone here know the exact level of heat and pressure differentials necessary to cause a contrail to form?

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mosesonator, there are so many factors, they could be burning fuel at different temperatures, they could be at slightly different altitudes even though they appear to be the same from the ground, different sizes, speeds, etc. This variety makes it difficult for people doing any observation or independent research to support their evidence.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@heavydreamz,

1. How can you be so certain that what you are looking at are chemtrails? Where is the proof? It seems a little silly and grandiose to me to ASSUME you know the exact cause and reason for these trails being left behind planes. There are so many different plausible explanations for this.

2. Being bitter about something that is already the case is just a waste of time. Complaining, spending your time worrying about something that is already happening is just adding to the problems. Either take action and seek to end what is happening, or let it go. Anything else is a waste of your time and mine, and it’s insane. Whining about something that is already the case, while doing nothing about it is just spreading unneeded negativity and poison to other people.

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mikeyw829, my proposal was to motivate you to take action and look for yourself.

‘It seems a little silly and grandiose to me to ASSUME you know the exact cause and reason for these trails being left behind planes.’

I have not a clue of cause or reason, as most people dont have a clue about what is happening in the world aside from popular media perspective. I am assuming the (keyword) possibility of conspiracy. In my personal observation it appears to be the case, and also important to acknowledge real possibilities in this real world rather than… “spreading unneeded negativity and poison to other people” I prefer to think rather the power structure feeding us consumerist mentality to keep us unconscious (highly effective) to real issues being the real poison. Just my perspective.

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Taylor Little (71) (@tlrlittle) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@heavydreamz, I always watch the sky, I’m lucky enough to be in VT though so there aren’t many airports, by the time the plane comes by my place it is high enough that the wind disperses the trail within an hour. They do run chemtrail tests for military purposes to jam radars, but they don’t dump chemicals on our major cities.

I challenge you to watch the sky somewhere other than san fransisco, I really think your problem is that you have an INTERNATIONAL airport, that would explain them coming from across the ocean, the fact that there have been more recently, and why they hang around so long (they are low and aren’t affected by the jet stream)

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Taylor Little (71) (@tlrlittle) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mosesonator, Altitude, I’m sure those planes aren’t at the same altitude, the jet stream runs higher and would disperse it faster

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@tlrlittle, like i said, when I visit pennsylvania, I see the same thing to a lesser degree. Its true that we are probably more exposed here in CA, apparently LA is one of the most exposed areas to this technology.
I have a friend who works for the fed and he claims that in LA a major purpose is for weather mod, creating rain during drought. After a rain period if there is a orange dust residue covering everything similar to heavy pollen, he claims this is new technology being used. Why is does this sounds like a sci-fi movie? Because politics and the media is a distraction from reality.

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Sara111 (49) (@sarad) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I see lots in the sky in Nevada, just a couple days ago there was huge X’s all over the sky that stayed in the sky for hours.

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DRebel (11) (@drebel313) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

funny you bring this up for today was the day that led me to fully believe in chemtrails. they are real and they are
not good for us/earth. It was a clear blue sky this morning but as the day progressed I kept seeing chemtrails and a plane flew right over me and i could see how it was spraying while another plane flying lower crossed its path leaving trail behind. after a while
the day turned cloudy n dark. that’s weather manipulation in action.
It seems they’re concentrated around major cities from what ive heard by first hand witness accounts and reports. believe what you want but i’d rather be safe than sorry

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Taylor Little (71) (@tlrlittle) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@heavydreamz, Rural Pennsylvania though, or like Philly? Have you seen this orange dust. And even so, if it’s looks like pollen, who’s to say it’s not pollen. Sorry, I just have a hard time believing this, it’s so farfetched and there aren’t any reliable sources

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@sarad, @drebel313, people always want to argue against the possibility, of course we cant prove this ourselves simply by observation, but can we truly deny that this could be going on right in front of us?

bassnectar shared this video today:
http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

the fundamental factor of sociology (study of the functions of society) is distribution of power^^^.. imagine what you could do with that money? how could you manipulate people to benefit your power? what do you think the motivations could be for all this (chemspiracy) that we are not democratically a part of?

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@tlrlittle, i saw it when i lived in long beach, how could there be pollen after the rain washed it away? hard for me to believe also

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@tlrlittle, http://news.discovery.com/earth/plants/orange-goo-identified-120307.htm

im not sure, but i kind of connected these stories.. it wouldnt surprise me if they were testing this shit and then came out with a ridiculous story like this.. it was raining fish eggs? then they say it was fungus waaayy after probably bc it sounded way too BS

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Alex (141)M (@alexishungry) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

You do know that a byproduct of most planes is water, right? “Contrails” as you called them earlier. Not chemicals. You’re just being paranoid. The government isn’t dumping loads of chemicals over SF. And certainly not from all the passenger planes you see. Combustion spits out water i.e. contrails, which then spread out into the sky. Stop worrying so much about this.

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

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