As an athiest, I do not mean to offend anyone of religious beliefs. I am simply posing a thought experiment.
Imagine you are god. all powerful and infinite.
if you create this universe and earth and man what was the purpose of it all? it seems to me that the common belief is that god made man to worship him and the rest of his creation was to fill the life of man (I think that’s fairly accurate?). Similar to the idea of a psychopath child killing ants with a magnifying glass, playing “god” if you will, it seems like if god just made us to worship him that he is just seeking control. since we are solely his creation he is really just creating a manifestation of himself to gratify himself.
A rational god would create something more elaborate or interesting and remain separated and un-involved to observe his creation. for example an arms race between 2 species sharing a planet to see the victor. or if god was more artsy possibly an infinite universe of galaxies and stars to admire. If I was god i wouldn’t be in the business of passive creation and observation. I would create a world and physical body for myself to inhabit. a partner and an environment give myself emotions. being an immortal god that lives in solitude for infinity sounds like a terrible life.
if I was god i would not even want there to be a god. a much better version of god would be the one depicted in the short story “the egg” . where god is just reliving the life of every human to ever live but while he is in each life he is unaware , a truly interesting and radical concept (http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html)
So what are everyone’s thoughts. I would like to stay with the assumption that such a god exists please. do you think the popular belief of god is a good one? is this god rational and what makes this whole experience enjoyable for him. why would he create such a vast universe if he only sought the acceptance and worship of man, who in reality will never venture far into the cosmos even on a infinite timeline?
‘The popular belief of god’ is a ridiculous generalisation. The Christian view of God as an old white man with a beard is just one view, and there are 7 billion people on the planet, a large percentage of which believe in a higher power, but there views are not consistent. Claiming that they are is foolish.
I feel that Atheists almost exlusively use christianity as a focal point on their “attacks”(for the lack of a better word) on God, and ignore every other perspective of God. Why is that? Is it because the christianity view of God conflicts with their beliefs the most? Because Christianity only consists of 2 billion(33%) of all people on earth who believe in a higher power, which is definitely not “The popular belief of god” as you said. Christianity is also losing followers at the highest rate of any religion.
I cant even begin to debate this topic, as my beliefs of God in no way shape or form match the “popular belief of God” as you stated.
@minch, .I don’t think a god, in this sense, would be very rational if his elaborate and interesting plans were to have his creations in an arms race and killing eachother via warfare. That sounds like a god with human emotions and not an all loving, all perfect being of infinity that is thought to be ‘God’.
Also how could a God create an elaborate event or thing (I guess you can say) and have these intentions but also remain seperate and uninvolved?
A rational god would create something more elaborate or interesting and remain separated and un-involved to observe his creation. for example an arms race between 2 species sharing a planet to see the victor. or if god was more artsy possibly an infinite universe of galaxies and stars to admire. If I was god i wouldn’t be in the business of passive creation and observation. I would create a world and physical body for myself to inhabit. a partner and an environment give myself emotions. b being an immortal god that lives in solitude for infinity sounds like a terrible life.
“or if god was more artsy possibly an infinite universe of galaxies and stars to admire. ” – Haven’t you ever looked at the sky in the country….
Your views on god seem very narrow minded. I personally believe people who only believe in one god and won’t open up to new ideas or even learn about them are only one baby step away from being atheist. I think all religions are right in at least one way. I also believe “god” is part of us all so your statement “If I was god i wouldn’t be in the business of passive creation and observation. I would create a world and physical body for myself to inhabit. a partner and an environment give myself emotions.” is actually fairly accurate.
My “proof” of “God, The Creator, Allah, Zeus, Ahura Mazda” is in science- every SINGLE thing has electrons, we are all connected by this. There is life in everything. Thus proof of god to me. Put out what you want (in energy) and you’ll get it in return.
@minch, To be honest, I compare what most people call God to a good parent. Someone who you should respect because, guess what? You wouldn’t be here without him. On top of that, we are given everything we will ever need to live happily here. You know what’s stopping us?
Ourselves. Not “God.”
If there is a god, I think he or she or it wants us to live and make our own mistakes so we can learn and grow from them. (Exactly like the egg, really. Maybe not so much the reincarnation part–though it’s not impossible–but the it’s up to US to grow.) Honestly, if this god got involved, I think we’d feel like sheltered children–not allowed to make our own mistakes or learn or grow or really interact with life. That’s never a good thing.
Unfortunately, we’re the dumb ones and we’re not learning anything. We think we know everything every century, really. Just like an angsty teenager. But hell, that god has faith in us if he or she or it hasn’t stepped in yet.
Honestly, it sounds like your problem is with religion, not God.
Now, that all probably sounds like I believe in a god, but really I have no fucking clue what’s out there, lol. I’m leaning more toward a weird interconnectedness between everything, not some higher and conscious being. But, who knows?
@minch, Take a heavy dose of psychadelics, smoke DMT, or meditate for a long time and you’ll realize the error in atheism.
Seeing god isn’t like talking to a human being. It is like seeing the universe, omnipotently, all at once. You understand everything, if only for a few seconds and you realize you aren’t in control here, o rmaybe you are, but this body you are in, this earth – they are drops of water in an endless ocean of meaning, existence, and reality.
Seen Men in black ? When they are almost done, and then he opens the locker, and on the other side their whole existence is simply crammed in a locker of a school? its kind of like that. You open a door to the infinite reality we are a part of. To close the box of reality in just the known, tangible universe is like saying all there is to life is within your house.
Its up to you. You can dismiss god and live in that darkness of dirt after you die, or you can question it forever, always wondering, always knowing you’ll never understand the real complexities we are within.
An interesting point of view and a completely different image of the Almighty can be found in Garth Ennis’ comic book Preacher. Here are some links for the closer explanation on God in the comic:
The links don’t provide so much insight about him, if you’re interested you should read the whole thing. I cannot recommend this comic highly enough. It’s definitely not for everyone, very crude, violent and somewhat twisted, but it’s goddamn good reading.
I think people are not realizing here what atheism stands for, especially modern day atheism. Modern day atheists are not attached to any religion or god. They deny all because there is no reason to answer the unanswerable.
Let me give you an example. Let’s say someone came up to you and said there is a guy/girl flying around the earth at the speed of light, but since he/she is at the speed of light, we can’t see him. Those who believe in the dude/dudette say, prove me wrong. This is obviously impossible to do because that person just made it up. How do you prove the existence of something that is not there? This is what atheists do. Atheists leave the unanswerable unanswered because frankly, we cannot answer them, especially in words. HOWEVER, there is the idea that we are homo-duplex, meaning whenever we have a “god” or “spiritual” experience, which DOES happen (I have had several), that this actually helps us evolutionarily, makes us happy, puts us into a state “the know”, and actually has something behind it. But, as you can see, it is impossible to put these things into words. Experience itself is hard to put into words, let alone a “god” experience. Try explaining to me the color blue in words without using the color blue, lemme make that easier for you, you can’t. The idea is that we ARE “spiritual” beings, but once again, those are just words and are misconstrued into some weird fuckin idea that there is some outer or higher force that is controlling us; when in fact, it is you, everything is you, and it will always only be you.
We have the ability to “climb the staircase”, transcend our current state of being into one more filled with truth, love, and awe.
I wasn’t trying to get into a “does god exist” argument…
@nickc2007, the reason I went with this is because I am most familiar with the christian god. In the town I grew up the population is 80% christian, 5% jewish, 14% athiests/agnostic and 1% of everything else. I am aware there are other representations of god that are much different than the christian god.
@ijesuschrist, When people say their god is like the universe they are free to believe that ,but as many people of religion and not have said why apply a term (god) that is so generalized to your own definition? why not call it something else? also I don’t want to be preached to. as I said I come from an overly christian town and being an atheist is basically social banishment but that’s the price I am willing to pay for my beliefs.
what i was trying to ask in this post was doesn’t the christian god seem to have an odd position in the universe? if you have the power to create the universe to you really need the gratitude of the people of earth you created.
“I am a Muslim and a Hindu and a Christian and a Jew and so are all of you.”
If the Christian God were real (which I don’t think he is) perhaps he is just trying to learn something about himself. To be a being of limitless power would get boring after a while, I’m sure. Maybe the universe was intentionally created to be a limited experience and as such maybe it is an experiment to see just how close to the limits his creation can get.
The whole “worship me” thing is just a human creation. I believe it is a mechanism to exploit fear and to gain power and control over people. The leaders of the church want people to fear God so they will continue to contribute to their decadent monuments and to fill the Vatican’s coffers.
Putting yourself in a religion or even in an atheist mindset is laziness in my opinion. It is just submitting to an idea and denying yourself the lifelong journey of discovery and wondering. Sure, no one can ever prove God exists, but that does not mean you should not try to seek something greater. To do so would be to limit your potential even more than the universe’s already established limits. It allows your perspective to stagnate and while it may fulfill your ego’s one dimensional desires it does not allow you to go beyond that.
The thing that bothers me the most when I hear atheist argue(but it very much so looks like they are making fun of) Christians, they always point to things in the bible and say how retarded it is to talk to bushes and live in whales and the like. I am by no means christian, but why are people looking at the bible so literally? Do they not understand the entire book is symbolism and lessons?
You mention the story “The Egg” which is a very good story. I highly recommend you read “Conversations with God” which has become a favorite of mine. Whether you believe the author actually had a conversation with “God”, or is simply describing his beliefs is secondary to the purpose of the book. It may change your view on a lot of things.