I am an atheist, but maybe not in the meaning that most people think of. Even though I have no belief in a God and religions, I consider myself open and spiritual. I like to think of the true atheist as one who knows there is more on earth than you can sense, and not a person who resents religion and only believes in what you can sense. This is mostly due to a (so far) single spiritual event I have experienced myself (as an atheist).
I love being met by religious preachers/messengers on the street. They often ask after they see I’m not a believer "well, what do you believe in then?", and then I’ll answer something like this: "I believe in humanity’s capability to think rationally and do good from their own hearts, instead of being told what’s wrong and right. People should carve out their own path in life and embrace their ability to think for themselves. Inspiration is good, but try to sculpture that inspiration into something of your own fitting".
There are some views on this which I personally like. But first you should ask yourself, what is your definition of god? (grey beard, sitting in the sky or the whole universe, all there is). Witggenstein argues that its just an abstract concept that has no basis in reality and thus, you can’t speak about it. Other philosophers throughout the ages asked themselves the question, if God created the universe, where did God come from?
I don’t believe in the Christian god. Think of it like this, atoms make molecules, molecules, make organisms, the organisms live on planets that revolve around suns to make solar systems, solar systems make galaxies to make the universe. Beyond that a group of universes might make something and as it increases in scale whatever is at the top must be god. Does god judge or condemn to hell? i don’t think so. But what IS god……..well what is it that brings things life? what do all living things have that animates their otherwise inanimate existence? Energy. Energy makes things move, makes things grow. Its in all things in one form or another because Matter is a form of energy (E = MC^2), there is kinetic energy, wind energy, some of which may be visible and some of which may not be seen but felt. All of this is god. God is in everyone. And when we think of it as humans being party of the ecosystem that lives on earth. Earth (which has its own energy fields, and can be seen as a living organism) is the life form above us and it extends to god, if we realize this, if we realize that we are a blood cell confined within the body of earth. Then all the good we do to the body ( or earth) by doing our job, giving oxygen (or spreading love), is in turn benefiting us cause we are all the same.
The universe always flows towards positivity. Think of evolution. If something evolves in a negative way (a zebra is birthed with a fifth leg) it gets eaten before it reproduces. If mice get better vision for seeing in the dark that mouse lives to reproduce. God is positive, blissful, peaceful, loving energy. When you do good things in the universe. Positive energy(god) is bestowed upon you through Karma. If you choose to go against the flow of the universe and create negative energy bad things happen because there is an absense of god or (positive energy) in those activities, such as a mosquito acting as a parasite sucking on my arm, it may get killed by my hand.
The idea of god has always puzzled me. If god created us, who created god? Of course no one can really answer that. Some say god has always existed but how can something have no beginning? So much we will never know in this world. Sigh…
My school of thought is that god is just a collection of all minds melding together. Am i sure, nope…but for some reason this is the only idea that makes sense to me.
I think the only thing you can do is decide on your own definition of god and then live it. Anyone who says they know who are what god is does not know much. I suppose what I’m saying is god is whatever you want it to be — man or concept, existent or non-existent, judgmental or indifferent.
I believe any God theory is just as plausible as the next, or just as plausible as any non-God theory. Although I do believe in some kind of higher existence, simply because I feel like it’s there. But I also accept the fact that I could be completely wrong. The way I see it is sometimes being wise means accepting not knowing what you can’t know. Also, to SoMo’s comment about God not having a beginning: we only think that way because we are beings of chronology, so we don’t have the mental tools to understand how something could “always be there”, but that doesn’t mean something can’t have “always been there”.
Even if there was indisputable proof of any existence of a god or not, there would still people who hold on to their beliefs to refute or believe in that proof. I think our ability to conceptualize a god is the thing that makes us our own gods. Your god is your moral foundation and you decision making process. However, that idea doesn’t answer where we came from, in which i’d rather follow a scientific explanation, which in itself can be spiritual, due to our abilities to use science through deductive reasoning and brain power!
Yes maybe we just don’t have the mental capacity to understand the concept of “forever” because we are used to experencing life in chronological order. I guess “always existing” is less complex then the alternative, the universe just appearing out of nowhere.
No one can say for certain. I guess we will all find out when we get there, but my personal favorite idea is this:
-God is simply a collection of every being’s conscience
-Different “zones”, or “like minded” consciences make heaven and hell. pleasant people attract other pleasant people making these grouping happy and less happy individuals clump together to make a “hell”
-When a soul leaves the body it travels somehow (possibly through another dimension or astral plane, whatever you prefer) and eventually drifts into a grouping of like-souls
-spirits will eventually be recycled into the world, given for demand.
-The world is just a proving ground, a place for conversion between positive and negative energies.
Of course, there is no way to prove this for sure, just like any other religion. It is more of a combination of religions the way i see it.
There is no soul, spirit, good energy, bad energy, gods, ghosts, or fairies. There is no right and no wrong. The idea of good and bad “energy” is only existent because we say it is, it exists in the realm of our thoughts and nothing more. Humans invented morals. Humans invented gods. And just because we thought up of them does not make them real. Yes, there are “morals,” but punishment for breaking a certain moral is only punishable by those who created morals. There is no inherent good or bad. Please, show me any evidence for any of these things if you can find some. I’m interested.
All my life, I had been taught both Muslim views and Christian views… I took ‘Islam’ lessons in school and ‘Christian’ lessons in church… and it always confused me. I used to tell peopl I am both Muslim and Christian and they would just tell me it’s nonsense and so on… Then I started reading books like “The Secret” and “The Master Key System” and it helped me see other solutions, that there are other views other than Christian, Muslim and Jewish…. Now, I don’t really know what I believe, but I really like the idea that all consciousness makes God…
All consciousness makes God… That is a good ideology. I really do like that. But…
I just cannot buy into it. I believe in what I see. The earth, me, you, my dog…
Its so much more simple to live life knowing that its not that complicated. Maybe I am “dumbing-down” my life, but it is so easy for me. Life is what you see and touch, not something that hangs over your head for the rest of your life waiting…
I have searched, read, asked and prayed and I can honestly say that I have no clue as to who or what is in charge around here. Sometimes, I get a hunch or a gut feeling that all of this is just a school for bored eternal souls that want to learn something or experience a different existence. Other times I feel that everything is just as it should be and there’s a higher power in charge… but then I think of war, genocide, rape, neglecting parents and all those things that make you wanna scream and I think- How can there be a God? It is easy to say that you feel God when something good happens but people quickly forget that God is also in charge when something horrible happens. Where was God then?
I have a hard time saying, Jesus is Lord or Allah is God because who am I to say? I feel too small to say that I know the biggest answer in the universe. Me, Alicia Chesmedjian, I know the answer everybody!! Nope, that’s not for me. I feel audacious if I say I know God. I will quietly and humbly search for the answer. : )
I want to enjoy those truths that I know. I exist, my family exists, music exists, nature exists. So many things for me to experience and love here right now.
I just try to be a good, happy person and someone that others feel they can turn to in need… or play some music with.
Im an Atheist. I dont believe in any Gods or afterlife. I dont support any organized religion. I know I cant prove it, but its what I believe. I dont believe that Atheism is a Religion as most Theists tend to argue. Lack of religion is the point. I dont believe in a Hell because I really cant believe that there can be anything worse than the world we live in honestly.
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
@ Flip –That quote by Epicurus just summed it up beautifully. Thanks for that.
Haakon, define what you mean by “spiritual.” Also, I do not think that the “true atheist” should believe in things you cannot sense. I believe the major component, the driving force, of atheism is skepticism. Why do we not believe in gods? Because there is no evidence for it, we are skeptics, and what shapes our thoughts is evidence. If all of a sudden, an overwhelming amount of evidence was found in support of theism, I would readily convert. Now if we cannot sense something, but we claim it is there just because we can feel it, that is not true hard evidence, and I thing it would be a disgrace to the driving force of atheism to call a true atheist one who believes in anything beyond the realm of our intelligible senses.
Haakon, define what you mean by “spiritual.” Also, I do not think that the “true atheist” should believe in things you cannot sense. I believe the major component, the driving force, of atheism is skepticism. Why do we not believe in gods? Because there is no evidence for it, we are skeptics, and what shapes our thoughts is evidence. If all of a sudden, an overwhelming amount of evidence was found in support of theism, I would readily convert. Now if we cannot sense something, but we claim it is there just because we can feel it, that is not true hard evidence, and I think it would be a disgrace to the driving force of atheism to call a true atheist one who believes in anything beyond the realm of our intelligible senses.
The simple reason why there is so much debate is the failure to realize that faith, or believe is a internal force, by translating this for purpose of reaching a consensus it is necessary to come to a uniform understanding of personal value systems etc…. as we grow, in age and experience adjustments are made, so it can never be a static thing, as portrayed in many religions or cultures nowadays, as religion and culture are woven together by the shape the society has taken on which in my opinion immediately shows the weaknesses of “religion” as a given as it is shown that it transform in order to sustain its influence, or power. , while all do eventually in my opinion. Google nowadays applies the same methods, in another format, and it is all fine by me. I have faith, I do believe, in me. That puts me in a position to understand the direction I need to proceed in, guidance from within, fueled by passion, compassion, curiosity, etc. There is no need for any God, the methods of communicating have changed, so the format of groups and associations is bound to change as well….
Anyhow, it makes perfect sense in my head, ;)
By spiritual i mean that I believe in the realm of unexplained phenomenons, or simply put: there is more between heaven and earth than you can imagine. Now, I think it’s incredibly naive of atheists to only believe in what there is evidence for and what they can sense around them. I’m not saying that i believe in everything supernatural, like ghosts, astrology or similar. I think of it as an unknown force in the world, touching each living thing and influencing them somehow. It’s quite simple and abstract, but that’s all my brain has the capacity to imagine, and on my part there is evidence for it. I too am a skeptic and quickly throw away beliefs if evidence says otherwise, but you cannot rule out the possibility of there being something outside human capacity to understand. You have to experience it – like me.
Heres my belief: There is nothing in this world that can logically make me believe there is a god or heaven. I focus on my own happiness and I dont need a religion to tell me what is right/wrong. i could be wrong, but if I see God at heavens gates and he asks why I didnt believe, ill say “you should’ve said something” :P
Heres a good quote: “to take a leap of faith in the face of strong evidence to the contrary raises serious doubts about the very meaningfulness of ones faith”
It sounds kinda like you’re using energy and physics and the universe to give a definition to the word, or the entity, of “God”, when all of these things exist completely detatched from this association to, and are not defined by, the existence of god. It sounds to me like rationalizing in the same way religion does. Which is irrationally. I’m in no way saying that none of these ideologies or theoretical possibilities arent plausible, though my opinion does differ greatly from these definitions of “God”. But if we are free to interpret or even believe in our OWN self-defined version of God, apart from the factual plausibility of the theory itself, what makes that any different than believing in religion?? Just my two cents, if anyone has ANYTHING to say about this, pleeeeeeease do. :)