God=Brahman=Source=Nature=Absolute

Alex (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 4 months ago

God=Brahman=Source=Nature=Absolute
well..this is a long one..and part of it is another thread I posted before, I’m just adding on to it further though.

I’m simply going to use the term God, but I want to express the idea that God is the same term for many things from many different cultures. When most people think God, they immediately personify the idea, and get an image of some guy chillen out in space, keeping a watchful eye on us. Most people also think this ‘person’ judges us and has a prize for us if we do good, and a punishment for us if we do bad. I believe people have this conception now because of misunderstood metaphors. I like how the Hindu’s handle it, they have gods as metaphors, but there is One Brahman. And Brahman means ultimate reality and/or consciousness.

“Religion is misunderstood mythology.” -Joseph Campbell. (I suggest his books, and learning what mythology actually is)

When I first started to actually give a fuck about the world around me, I turned to books. Every week I had something new to read. Philosophy, quantum mechanics, the brain, religion, etc. After a little while I realized that half of what is out there contradicts the entire other half. There is numerous ways to explain the same thing. I turned my focus to figuring out what constitutes ‘fact’ and ‘truth’ how knowledge is obtained and its validity. It made me first look at our two predominant thought processes. Intuition and Rationality. For practicalities sake we’ll look at religion as intuition based and science as rationality based (although each obviously contain both) I went back and forth trying to figure out which thought processes is ‘stronger’ only to realize they both have equal merit, with the same limitations. That limitation would be language. When we discovered atoms and particles, scientists became aware of an issue.

“We wish to say something about the atomic structure, but our language can’t conceive it” -Bohr.

Scientists are well aware that our language is insufficient to describe the way things actually are, therefore everything we actually know is but an approximation of the actual truth. You can say the earth revolves around the sun, but that is only our best approximation, the reality of it is something marginally different. The same limitations are present in the intuitive approach. Mystics train their waking consciousness to be an intuitive consciousness. Take boxing for example. You are in the fight, and a crowd is around you. You aren’t deaf nor blind so you can see them in the corner of your eye, and you can hear them but never for a second is your brain distracted by it. It ‘numbs’ your sensory inputs. That is the intuitive consciousness. This is why tai chi and boxing is a powerful form of martial arts. Another reason why I started to think that intuition was stronger than rationality, because put up the best boxer in the world vs the best karate guy, and the boxer would wreck him. Karate isn’t learned very intuitively. Anyways, the act of making your intuitive consciousness the norm for your brain is a step towards enlightenment (and not everyone will achieve this. Not everyone can be a mystic, and not everyone can be a scientist) Enlightenment is that gaze into the absolute truth, or reality of things. They describe this as completely non-intellectual. You rather ‘see’ it. And even the word ‘see’ is misleading because there is no sensory input. These mystics have the same problem, and are also aware. Our language cannot comprehend or conceive these things. There have been different methods formed on both sides to get over this hurdle. Scientists use math (but greatly struggle with verbal interpretations), Hindu’s used mythology, Buddhists used paradoxes or koans, the Chinese used calligraphy, and the Japanese used poetry, specifically haiku’s. On a side note it makes me wonder if every religious document is our attempt to put absolute truth into words. It’s only an approximation of what really is of course, but probably the best we could do. Hindu’s specifically state this. Their gods, and metaphors aren’t actually what is, but are needed to express the thought.

How do we transcend this language limitation? As the Zen Buddhist would say, “Once you speak of something, you have missed the mark.”

So I propose that all religions used to have merit, but over time we have lost the meaning behind the myths. Forgot why we created them to begin with. We really are a species with amnesia. If you think about the evolution of how humans brains have evolved mentally it makes sense. When we first started to speak, our vocal chords weren’t developed enough to talk, so every time we had something to say we would sing. Just imagining that world makes me grin a little. So then over time we developed some language and our vocal chords developed enough to be able to talk. However, we started with limited words, in fact we originally started with grunts and moans. Therefore one grunt, or word could mean many many different things. Humans therefore had a natural tendency to think metaphorically, and had an ability to decipher metaphors, and myths much better. Over time however everything turned into a very defined world. We know 1+1=2 and nothing is going to change that. We mold objects into specific items with specific meanings. Take a pawn on a chess set for example. Without the game its just that material in a unique way, you might use it as a decoration, or paperweight, but then we create the game chess, and it becomes defined as a pawn, with restrictions to only move in certain ways, abides by certain rules. This is the world we live in now, and we can reflect that on our language. You can say the word “Apple” today, and most people will have an image of a red or green apple in their head. The only way we could have done this is over time, defined red, defined green, and defined apple. Back then they might have just said “Fruit” and the person would have numerous images pop into their brain, but they wouldn’t know to focus on simply the apple (or maybe they would!)
Try to understand religion using their consciousness, not our defined way of being.

So what could God be a metaphor for? To me, I look at it as a metaphor for flawless and perfect consciousness. I believe this is how the universe started, with perfect, flawless consciousness. If all things are the same energy (Thanks Einstein!) then energy just transforms over time, but at the big bang, it was 1 thing. 1 source. There was no differentiated energy at that point. This is the nature of the universe in essence still, but obviously there many different kinds of matter now, and energy works differently in different areas of the universe. Why would flawless consciousness become anything less than consciousness? That’s because perfection sees the appeal to simplicity. If you were flawless, the simple things would be most appealing.
This is where most people split on opinions, and you have to decide for yourself. Which came first, matter or consciousness? Keep in mind that everything modern science has been telling us is that the observer (you) is the missing piece to every puzzle. Atomic theory is based off the observer. It wouldn’t work if the observer didn’t exist. You actually influence the world around you just by simply observing, and being conscious. Everything comes back to consciousness, and for some reason it’s barely discussed. When did they ever talk about consciousness in high school? Even when we talked about evolution for gods sake. Personally, I believe they are intertwined. Much like time and space. They call this the law of complexity, which states that everything has the potential for consciousness, or is consciousness, however the more complex the matter is, the more conscious it is. What that really means, is the more transformed or intricate the energy is at a certain point, the more conscious it is. If you take crystals into consideration, they are like living things, contain most ‘hallmarks’ of life, but are still not as conscious as plants and animals. They kind of bridge the gap between matter and animals, crystals are less complex then us and other animals and plants, but are more complex than a lot of other matter you find.
So in a sense what I believe is that at first there was nothingness, and nothingness is perfect, flawless in every ‘way shape and form’. I encourage people to look it up, but this is also a big part of Hinduism too. Nothingness is the source, but because nothing exists, something has to exist. Something can’t exist if nothing didn’t ‘exist’ either. Nothingness is flawless, but something always is flawless in some fashion. Nothing is flawless because it goes on forever, and is perfectly symmetrical no matter what you do to it. I like to think of the two hands drawing each other, they kind of create themselves. God creates us as we create god.
Imagine this, if you have not look up “Imagining the 10th dimension” on Youtube and watch. The 10th dimension is a point which contains all possibilities, probabilities, universe and anything that can ever be. (you can put anything into nothingness, it would ‘fit’ theoretically) It is the most infinite point that you can fathom. Contains all. Is this not god? An idea that contains all things, that can and ever will happen, the most infinite of all things? And are we not created in this image? The 10th dimension is a point, and if you follow this back to the 1st dimension, it is again a point, but it is a very defined and limited point. This is where the term absolute comes in. Because is shows how everything, at every point is just a line drawn from the 10th dimension, down to the first.
Can you at least not see how probable the idea of a higher power is? I’m not saying to accept god, I am however suggesting to be open to the probability.
I can see how this idea will lead people to believe that they have no control over their fate, but I disagree! All things are energy remember? All things are the SAME energy. We are part of this, we ARE the universe. God went from absolute in 10 dimensions, and started back at 1 dimension. It’s still all the same energy though. God was flawless, and say the appeal to simple, so we, as in god, decided to go to the 1st dimension, and we worked our way back up. We find ourselves now stuck somewhere in between the 3rd and 4th dimensions. Wonder why people struggle with time? We’re ascending to the higher dimension. It’s part of evolution. People are too stuck in the material aspect of things when science has specifically showed us that we should be paying attention to our consciousness. It is the missing piece in…everything?
But hey maybe if this is all true, this whole ‘spiritual shift’ or ‘consciousness shift’ could be us entering "Christ Consciousness" Is that like half-way to god consciousness?

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind." -Einstein

January 24, 2012 at 12:24 am
Sea Monkey (2) (@seamonkey) 10 years, 3 months ago ago

Think of particles as dust.

Stars emit visible light and a whole bunch of other invisible stuff.

Ask yourself…

Have you ever seen a dogs eyes when you shine a torch or a cars’s headlight directly at it?

What if your eyes aren’t looking at something, but a video camera is?

Electromagnet is just a name we use to describe a part of nature, are names really that important to you? will it still remain the same thing even if you call it Pinkelephant?

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

Very, very interesting. I had this same idea after watching Spirit Science but my skeptical brother and friends made fun of me for it.

Anyways, if there are more dimensions than the first three, which are only theoretical at this point, then they would all be one in the same due to everything being energy. If so, then this means every dimension is occurring at once, right now, everywhere. Time is therefore an illusion in the sense of it being linear, we are all “god”, and we can basically create a universe since everything is the same at the root? @hollowinfinity,

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@blankey, Yes! Almost exactly, except with the higher dimensions comes more probabilities. Think when we move through time/space we make things more defined, at least down to our 3d world. The highest dimension contains all, including the dimensions below it. It’s not separate. The only difference is the higher dimensions have more options. Start with infinity (highest dimension) and make a decision. Whichever choice you made is final, and in doing so you are now in the dimension below the highest, and have yet another choice to make, all the way until there is one defined way of things in the 1st dimension. This is why its completely impossible for the 1st dimension to build up to the absolute dimension.
All dimensions exist at once, and all times exist at once. Everything is really just one moment being stretched so long because no one even knows how to define a moment anymore. :)

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@hollowinfinity, So if we start at the highest dimension, with every choice being made you descend to the dimension below it? Why is that? And didnt the 1st dimension build up to the highest dimension during the big bang? Or were they all occurring at once?

All I know is everything was one at the beginning, insanely condensed energy, which would contain all dimensions, and then it exponentially expanded faster than the speed of light. Actually, I’m not sure if it was faster than the speed of light, but I remember hearing it was..

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@blankey, but what came before 1? 0. What is 0? Everything. Take nothingness, however you perceive it, and see what you can place inside it. Chances are you can place anything inside nothingness no matter how you look at it. Either infinite or a blank space. You can divide a blank space however many times you want and its still the same thing. I’m going off of string theory here. They suggest the highest dimension is a point which contains all possibilities in every direction. Which is why we might have a parallel universe. Things start at that infinite source and trickle down to a defined reality.
For all we know, we are still at the big bang. Who knows, I just know in my mind, its far more logical to think that perfect can create imperfect, rather than imperfect creating perfect. Higher dimensions create lower rather than lower creating higher. As above, So below.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

I think this thread is my masterpiece. I want to develop more on this, but I don’t want to recreate the same thread over and over on this website for the sake of all you guys. :P

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@hollowinfinity, Indeed, logically it makes sense that higher dimensions create lower dimensions. So everything started from 0, or everything, and then expanded into everything that we currently know, and our brain is simply tapping into the 3rd dimension as of right now. Our consciousness could then ascend into a higher dimension through means of meditation, evolution, or, in my opinion, some psychedelics.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

I’m really drawn to the concept of PHI here. Its as if the Nothing source gave us this number to achieve (phi=1.618….) and we didn’t know what to do except start from 0, or everything. 0, to 1+1=2+2=3+2=5+3=8, which will converge upon PHI but only like a wave. It gets closer, then further, then closer, until you can’t even tell the difference.
The Chinese called this circling the square and squaring the circle.

I find myself very fortunate to have discovered naturally many amazing ideas that were already in place by the worlds greatest thinkers. Einstein, Alan Watts, etc. It makes me feel great! ..and HOPEFUL!

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@Alex, Do you want to try and explain the idea of Phi and how it merges with the metaphysical? I’m having difficulties with that.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@Eric, Its the idea that the number is literally found everywhere. The attributes of the number are pretty amazing in itself. The multiplicative inverse of the number is simply Phi -1. Phi also equals 1+1 divided by 1+1 divided by 1+1 divided by….infinitely. Square phi and you get a number exactly 1 greater than phi, 2.61804…:
Ø2 = Ø +1
Divide phi into 1 and you get a number exactly 1 less than phi, 0.61804…:
1 / Ø = Ø – 1
Take the square root of 5, add 1 and then divide by 2, and you also get phi.
( 51/2 + 1 ) / 2 = Ø
Which can also be expressed all in fives as:
5 ^ .5 * .5 + .5 = Ø
The number is also unachievable because it never ends, like Pi. To me it speaks as a perfect number. It’s like the sweet spot in any line. (I wonder if the visible spectrum of light falls within the area of the golden mean)
The Chinese explained an alternative theory of evolution with this number. They used sacred geometry, and started with a circle. When they place A square around the circle evenly, and then another circle, and then another square, and so on, eventually the corners of the square intersect with the circle. If you continue on you realize that it converges upon Phi. I look at it as a wave, because for every step, you get a little above, and then the next step you are a little below, until the wave is almost nearly a straight line. This could explain why we have golden periods, and then dark periods in our social evolution. When we are closer, we are more in harmony with perfection, and vice versa.
Also, basically any sacred geometry shape has phi all in it. This goes hand in hand with basically every religious symbol that has ever been created. Phi is literally everywhere. Da Vinci was pretty fond of the number, and apparently he learned about it himself while walking through the woods. Recently, a boy made a machine which harnessed solar power, but he did a test. He made one of them follow the patterns of Fibonnaci (which converges on Phi) and another in random order. Of course, the one that followed the Fibonnaci sequence had much more productivity. It worked better.
http://evolutionoftruth.com/images/branches.gif
Its really as if, “god” showed us what we needed to be (Phi) but we had no idea how to exactly replicate it, so we did the next best thing and started bottom up from 1 and tried to converge upon the number that way.

Whether you believe math shows us how the Universe works, or geometry does, this number is related to both.
I would wager this the most important number mankind has ever come across, right after 0, and just before Pi. (Pi is important because it teaches us about curves, and the universe is full of curves, but no straight lines)
I wish I could do a better job explaining all this, because its something I’ve been looking into for a few years now, but I’ll give it another shot in its own thread a bit later. :)

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

http://0.tqn.com/d/arthistory/1/0/U/2/Vitruvius1.jpg
Forgot to mention. Da Vincis Vitruvian man shows the evolution of the human I was talking about. Here he squared the circle, and circled the square to show our stage of evolution.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/img/17300.jpg
This came before Da Vincis drawing, and also shows the earlier stage of our evolution.
All proportionally sound with Phi and Fibonnaci numbers.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

Ironically, you can see where they got the symbolism for the Free Masons, huh?

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David (325) (@zeitro) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@Alex Eastman Eastman, that thing you said about it getting “closer, then further, then closer” and a lot of what i (finally!) read here (i’ve been putting it off but finally i got to read the whole thread! :D ) makes me also think of the act of breathing, it maintains life, it’s a balancing of the outside and the inside, i think i saw it in spirit science that every time the square and the circle intersect it’s like a “climax” of the breathing, not sure which one though, since there’s the highest point of lung inflation, and the lowest point, but there’s also the balance, of course i’m not just talking about breathing, but any other natural cycle which goes up and down, left or right, black or white, above below, etc, all the opposites are able to merge into a “one” or that zero that you mentioned which i agree with you, does feel like god, which makes me think of your vesica piscis thread, it turns out reality isn’t just made of two opposites, actually the balance of these opposites is maintained by the zero, so this makes 3 “main points” instead of just A->B, and this in turn makes me think of the “triquetra” or “holy trinity” or simply put, the intersection of 3 circles, the oneness formed by the “father/son/holy ghost” or our own oneness, which is actually the same, but with the terms “body/mind/spirit”

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@zeitro David, Yes, The holy trinity. Where there is duality, there is most likely a trinity as well. The best example of a trinity in my opinion is our three primary colors. Or imagine a couple that is about to have a baby. You need 3 to continue human life, not 2.

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David (325) (@zeitro) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

(i don’t understand why my previous comment now says “Eastman Eastman” at the beginning… lol)

@Alex, but wait, in your example about the primary colors, there’s 3, but what were the previous two? it also depends if you’re talking about the traditional model of RYB or the newly adopted RGB model, which in my opinion is better because their “trinity” creates white, and in the RYB one it creates “black” or “neutral” according to this beautifully illustrated model
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Chromatography_1841_Field.png
Also i think the RGB model fits perfectly with what i thought previously about the 2 opposites creating their balance, and together with their balance they form a trinity, since green is what lies between red and blue in our visible spectrum, and together they create clear purity or “white”.

it’s also interesting to note that the mix of blue and red actually creates violet, which is also the inverse or “negative” of green,
i feel like i’ve talked about this before in here haha

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Jake (0) (@jakejsims) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

I wouldn’t get the two concepts confused of us BEING “God” and us being expressions OF “God”. They are very different. No one thing is “God”.

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@Alex Eastman, I’ll read you response tomorrow, I’m going to bed very soon here.

My opinion is that there is no “god” per-say, meaning there is no being that controls our lives and is judging us constantly. What i think of “god”, but really hate that term for what it is coined as now a days, is everything. Reality itself and the hidden ones we cannot see.

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Stephen (90)C (@stepvhen) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

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Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (92) (@2bias) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

HOLY FAK! DUDES!!! this is the shit! :) This thread lifted me out of community studies haha :D This thread was like a black hole that just stole my consciousness so much so that for 10 minutes I was this thread…

This is quite possibly the best thread on Highexistence 4real ;)
I can’t grasp the details of this but i feel like all of this makes perfect sense to me, i can’t believe how awesome your take on god is alex, this whole discussion is like a gateway to that 4th dimension. I really like the idea that everything began at “0” or the 10th dimension and that we are stuck between the 3rd and 4th because we can only perceive depth, hight and width visually, but there might be lots and lots of dimensions we simply can’t comprehend at our present state. I just feel like this boosted my whole sense of what the universe is a fuckton. It’s as if all the interesting stuff i’ve been reading and watching (e.g. Carl Sagan explaining the idea of more dimensions and a tesseracht) led to this thread which then went and connected the dots, well sort of anyways!

this is really just great stuff!

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@Tobias Knudsen, Wow, thanks a lot dude. I’m really glad you enjoyed it! That made my day. :)

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Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (92) (@2bias) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

right back atcha! :) fucking amazing thought’s going on i this thread – holy moot :P

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Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (92) (@2bias) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

I feel like Albert Einstein, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Michio Kaku, Allan Watts and Terrence Mckenna should be in this discussion together! damn that would be bomb!

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Eric (1,819)M (@blankey) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@Alex, Very interesting. The entire universe can be mapped out via math, so yes, that does make sense. On the Vitruvian man, do you know why he has multiple legs and arms? When we talked about the Vitruvian man in anatomy they said it says all people have equal length of arm width and height, funny thing was, it was slightly off.

This article may interest you. It’s about our evolution circling around a time of prosperity and equality, almost utopian society (possibly like phi?). http://www.eman8.net/blog/?p=489

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Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (92) (@2bias) 10 years, 1 month ago ago

@blankey, The reason why he has to sets of arms and legs, I believe, is that the one set reaches the edges of the square while the other reaches the periphery of the circle.

Also the reason why I came back to this discussion was that today my math teacher showed us a documentary about a fella’ called Andrew Wiles who proved Fermat’s last theorem back in 1995 – anybody familiar with this or modular forms, or eliptic curves? it somehow made me think of string theory and tesserachts – the idea of a symmetry that we can’t understand, or perceive outside the hyperbolic space. (not that I have a clue what that is as i’m writing this – I’ll check the wiki)

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