You often hear people, politicians, whoever… say that our country just needs to go back to following God’s Will and everything will be okay! God’s Will? Who determines what exactly God’s Will for us is? The President? Politicians? The Pope? The Mormon prophet? The Bible? I’m sorry, but our country following God’s will is just part of the giant myth of our society. Believing that we are so important and were created by God to be the center of the effing world, more important than anything else is what gives people, “us”, the mindset that we are important enough to destroy the world we live in.
I believe that God’s will (to me, God’s will is the natural energy of the universe… not Jesus or anything else derived from religion) is for us to stop being so fucking selfish as a species… to stop thinking that the world was created for humans to overindulge themselves in…. that we begin living in harmony with each other, with the earth, with the animals that we share the earth with.
God’s Will according to our mythical cultural beliefs, says that some God in the sky created humans to be all important and rule the earth and anything else that might inhabit the earth. This belief that we are so important, gives our society permission to live in overindulgence and destroy everything.
Humans are not as important as we think we are. If we don’t shift as a species into a new paradigm… a new way of thinking…. a perspective from outside the myth we live in… we will become extinct. It’s crazy to me that we are killing off the earth… leaving extinction for our future generations… and for what? Money? Power? Technology? The earth is deteriorating rapidly because of us… because of humans… and yet, our world is not concerned with this in the least… it’s like no big D… Our country isn’t concerned… “The Economy” is the number one issue when we consider who we will elect as our next president… The economy!!!! Really? The earth is dying and we’re worried about the economy… We’re worried about stuff and how we can get more stuff and how we can stop other people from taking my stuff… and the world is dying…. We are blind. The myth we live in is going to have a tragic ending.
@dafunks Sorry about that…. I’d edit the post if it would let me. I just finished discussing this subject with a friend of mine, so the language in the post was influenced by the convo. I didn’t mean to suggest that everyone here is from the USA or that citizens of the USA are more important than anyone else. I apologize.
You can edit it :) just stick edit/ at the end of the url.
It’s ok. It is one of my annoyances with the internet.
This whole God thing is one of the things that is wrong with the USA. Many people are so focused on it that they seem to vote on religion of a person. They forget all the bullshit. If a person ran for president but was a Atheist do you think he would get in? Even if he was perfect for the job? Trained in all, knew his shit…? No. People would rather a person who believes in the same made up bullshit as them.
When people are so focused on something they cant see and is in their imagination they forget reality. It seems all common sense has gone from US politics.
God’s will would probably fall into something like the golden rule… however, God, in the context of the bible, has a lot of fine print as well.
The bible also selects humans as some supreme being – some holy vessel of the soul, and that the Earth is for their use as they choose. Animals are placed on Earth FOR humans to ‘use’ and eat and so forth.
Although I don’t really think God has an absolute opinion on what is a proper use of Earth, I think that ‘using’ Earth without respect is very foolish. But there are plenty of people who would chop down a forest in the name of god.
In fact, one of the most wealthy men in the lumber industry has all of his televisions constantly displaying verses from the bible to his employees, while they remove and consume lumber at an alarming rate.
To follow God’s will may mean many things, but to know God’s will, and do it is something entirely different.
It seems that if someone in society were to say we need to do “god’s will”, it would mean to be less selfish and sacrifice much more.
This means more virtue, which is sort of like what you are talking about, what with gentleness and humility, but you have a blurred vision of holy texts. The Spirit is in them, and that is what truly spiritual people read.
To hear the word “god” and not have a bias is a difficult thing, but God is truly no man in the sky. God is the All: The Infinite Source all life; He Who enlivens everything.
To begin to do God’s will is to do what our true self asks us to do, but we can only find our true self by knowing Jesus, the way, the truth, and the life.
@manimal, To see in that way is to see the judge the body by the garment it wears.
Do you know a person by seeing only, or would you rather not judge long enough in order to become acquainted with the soul.
Obedience is a virtue when it is practiced according to spirit and that usually does not really interfere with society, and that is why obedience is easy for a spiritual person.
Rebellion against society is for people who do not seek the truth, but rather to destroy it.
Society serves its purpose, but seldom interferes against willpower working for the goodwill of man.
Read the Tao
God’s will is not a myth.
God’s will cannot be understood, only done. Those who try to understand “it” try to limit and make finite what is infinite.
It is falsehood to allow the thought of God’s will in you, come to a concrete definition. A total misunderstanding.
We cannot comprehend God’s will, we can only live it. We can begin to do so by desiring to.
Don’t worry, many/all religious people miss the point.
I could be wrong. I may be missing @manimal, point also.
I fail to see where I said I know what you think?
@dafunks, “The literal translation of Tao is “way” or “path.” It is associated with a life of simplicity, quietude and harmony, both in relation to the natural world, as well as in our interactions with social/political institutions. Being a man or woman “of the Tao” means being attuned to cycles of change; being consciously aware of our place within the web of Life; and acting in the world according to the principles of wu wei – naturalness, ease and spontaneity.”
“God’s will is not a myth.”
This is a definitive statement.
“It is falsehood to allow the thought of God’s will in you, come to a concrete definition. A total misunderstanding.”
“We cannot comprehend God’s will, we can only live it. We can begin to do so by desiring to.”
So what you are saying is that “God’s” will is not a definite thing. It cannot be presented or examined. And the only way to know that it is real is to make a conscious choice within your own mind to believe that there is a god and that he has a will, or plan, or path for you and everyone else. Or in other words to believe it. Yet this will of god is not a myth?
A set of stories or beliefs about a particular person, institution, or situation.
@chekovchameleon, I will happily answer your questions, but I ask that in the future you do so in a way which is more kind. Gotta start somewhere, right?
““God’s will is not a myth.”
This is a definitive statement.”
Although this is not a question I will explain: Everything exists because God wills it to exist. Therefore existence at all is proof of God’s will
Learn more about this idea from Kabbala if you wish.
“So what you are saying is that “God’s” will is not a definite thing. It cannot be presented or examined.”
Well as finite beings we cannot comprehend or explain what is infinite. It is something that is. Moses asked God, “what is your name?”
And God replied “I Am that I Am”, meaning I cannot be defined.
“And the only way to know that it is real is to make a conscious choice within your own mind to believe that there is a god and that he has a will, or plan, or path for you and everyone else. Or in other words to believe it.”
Our spirits are inclined to such an action. Our souls are homeward bound and this is a big step towards it.
“Yet this will of god is not a myth?”
I would call it nature.
@backcase, I’m not being unkind, I can do this if you want, I’m being logical. I was not asking you to explain what you meant when I said “this is a definitive statement”. If you read down I was merely pointing out the flaw in your logic, you contradict yourself. But you chose to break a single point into two and respond in a way that utterly shatters the original context
Nature;The phenomena of the physical world collectively.
Nature is definite and can be examined, we can see and understand it. We know that there where people before belief in god, thus it is impossible to say it is natural to to believe there is a god or that he has a will.
P.s. I know the stories of the bible, explaining them to me adds no weight to your point. From a logical stance they are words written second hand and with bias, so they cannot really be considered valuable sources for an argument.