Hangover Clarity? Ambition?

 Anonymous (@)8 years, 9 months ago

This seems very counter intuitive, but recently its come to my attention that after a bought of inactivity as far as inspiration and creation has gone, after a heavy night of drinking, a heavy hang over (despite physical lethargy) gave me great deals of mental clarity and ambition.

I thought it was a flook at first, just coincidence that a day of goodness would fall on a day of bodily havoc.

But again, after a night of semi-heavy drinking (for me at least) I find myself, although physically aloof and unbalanced, mentally very motivated, happy, and with some new found awareness.

On a grand scheme I actually believe this may have a serious implications, especially for college students. I’ve noticed that some of the hardest working people are actually the heaviest drinkers, which at first is mind blowing, but perhaps this hypothesis holds water.

Anyone care to examine this further, intellectually, or via examples?

May 25, 2012 at 8:26 am
BirdFlyingHigh (152) (@birdflyinghigh) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

This would be a great way to justify my nascent alcoholism to myself.

I think that some of it is shutting down my mind – deciding that I’m done giving a fuck about everything else for the day.

I don’t get hangovers very often, though, I drink water like a camel.

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@birdflyinghigh, I am one of those daring souls who drinks 50/50 water vodka.

there is always a max, though. lol

Next time you get a hangover, judge how you felt the previous week (assuming you had no hangovers) and then the hangover day, and the following. Make sure to look at everything, not just the shitty feeling.

I feel quite dizzy right now, but in a way I do still feel very good. I was singing in the shower, and I stopped myself and noticed I hadn’t done that in a long time!

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I usually have the same mental clarity the day after I drink. Could it possibly be the anti-anxiety effects of the alcohol that haven’t worn off yet? Or is it permanent for you?

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BirdFlyingHigh (152) (@birdflyinghigh) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, half and half, eh? Never even thought of that.

I drink more than once a week. Are you talking about drinking until you have a hangover?

Maybe it’s the feeling of, “Sweet god, I’m still alive!!” Sort of how everything is super-beautiful the morning after a crazy trip?

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mikeyw829, It lasts quite a while, perhaps it is actually the presence of alcohol in my system still.

I’ll have to record when I notice it being gone. But I think before it’s lasted for at least a few days.

@birdflyinghigh, the 50/50 grows on you after a while. What do you mean drinking till I have a hangover?

It could be – the physical stress of drinking the night before, alleviated over night by a lowering BAC makes your body / mind just happy to be alive, haha.

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InhabitantOfAotearoa (0) (@inhabitantofaotearoa) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist a very interesting topic.
I have also noticed this. A mental moment or even a day of clarity after heavy drinking.

@birdflyinghigh i think you are spot on. you have less inhibition the following day. And i think inhibition would juxtapose with spontaneity. And spontaneity is one of the most attractive traits in a person.

@ijesuschrist i think study into this topic would be great to try and ‘access’ (for lack of better words) this feeling in daily life.

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InhabitantOfAotearoa (0) (@inhabitantofaotearoa) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@mikeyw829 sorry i meant to reply to you. you are spot on (in relation to inhibition).

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InhabitantOfAotearoa (0) (@inhabitantofaotearoa) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, i propose a mutual study, widen the area of interest and make a thesis out of it.. lol

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Anonymous (216) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, I get that. Hangovers show me what truly matters, which is pretty much what’s in front of me at the time, instead of the foggy thoughts I deal with otherwise.

Hard workers and deep thinkers need a sidekick, am I right?

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The in breed (0) (@tscharadin) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Feel free to shoot me down on this one, but I would like to look at this from a chemical point of view. Our bodies are made with certain chemical compounds, which spring different mechanisms into action upon release. Alcohol is common for killing bacteria, removing plaque in our mouths, I’ve even taken shots before in attempt to get ahead of illness, in fact I think many Irish folk live and die by this ^^.

I’m throwing this out here so another more conventionally educated HEthen might expand and fill in the gaps, or deflate the idea entirely:
Suppose the alcohol enters the blood stream and destroys weaker single cell organisms that have built up through a normal day, leaving more room for oxygen to circulate, leaving a period of time before we can replace our bloods fat cells or whatever.

In fact, that brings along a new theory. It seems like the more sugar in a drink the greater the hangover, at least this is the common belief, so for this idea we will stick with it. suppose the hangover stems from the alcohol and sugar teaming up, eating fat cells away, even protein cells, leaving a disproportionate amount of alcohol and glucose in the blood stream.. resulting in body fatigue, but alleviating the brain of anything but exactly what it needs to operate; Like a pre-filter. until we eat some sort of “hangover” food, typically some greasy chinese or mexican food, *fatty* foods, which restores balance. At least that’s our morning after food of choice here in Las Vegas.

Thoughts?

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@tscharadin, Well, you’re in the right direction but let me point out some things;

The amount of alcohol in your blood (BAC) is going to be dramatically lower than what is needed to kill bacteria – remember most people get maximum of .2% BAC (absolutely trashed) but a drunken night is usually spent at just over .1% .

What happens when you drink is a multitude of complex things and I don’t even know a few of them. The only things I do know is that you lose a lot of starch and salts from your body when you drink (don’t ask me how I found this out – I do some odd things) .

A hangover is, in general, a lack of salts and perhaps fats in the body. I have no idea what the mechanism of this is, but it is very important to eat huge quantities of fatty, salty foods to get rid of a hangover by the end of the day – so you are right on that one.

It could be, also, that the fats have become more mobile in the alcohol-blood and perhaps you receive more to the brain this way?

I am definitely convinced, though, that part of this is the release of inhibition the night prior, without the intoxication.

@inhabitantofaotearoa, Test my hypothesis, eh? Perhaps . I will partake in some drinking following;
1. A night of normal, non-fatty, non salty food..
2. A night of very salty food (but non-fatty)
3. A night of fatty (but not salty)
4. A night of both

Catalogue my mornings. Better get drinking!

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The in breed (0) (@tscharadin) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

hahah did not even stop to think about sodium! Bahah of course, I guess getting stoned is great for some things, remembering science class isn’t one of them.

I’d love to help test that out, I’m pretty fascinated by this.. but I’m as detoxed as can be for 1 month now, clarity is through the roof =]

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demetrious (0) (@demetrious) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Heavy drinkers and drug abusers are statistically proven to be smarter than average, so it makes me dubious as to whether the very act is of some benefit or whether the smart merely drink more.http://www.opposingviews.com/i/study-smart-people-drink-smoke-use-drugs

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Gare (9) (@fossilfuelsrule) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

I’m a very stressful little bastard. After a long night of getting sloshed its very unlikely for me be stressed the next day. The little things no longer seem like problems but some kind of small opportunity. I like getting drunk as almost as much as the hangover. A big factor for having a solid hangover is sleep, at least for me. @ijesuschrist,How are you factoring in sleep for your experiment?

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@demetrious, correlation, yes, causation? Don’t know… Umbrellas are correlated with rain, but umbrellas don’t cause rain.

@fossilfuelsrule, Sleep seems to certainly affect the severity of a hangover, HOWEVER it seems (from my limited memory) that oversleeping causes me to MISS the clarity feeling. This seems to make me believe that it is actually the reduced inhibitions from the night prior, carrying over into the morniing, but with less of the intoxification. Good point.

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Juufish (0) (@Juufish) 6 years, 12 months ago ago

I’ve had many hangovers, but it wasn’t until my most recent that I was actually aware of the affect it had on my mind. I felt like I had taken the pill from that movie “Limitless”. It was unreal. This is really the only thread I found dealing with the clarity derived from being hungover. But I’ve been going crazy trying to finding natural ways to the achieve the same results, but nothing besides meditation has stood out.

*Sigh* What I wouldn’t give for my mind to be able operate like that on a daily basis.

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Lv79 (0) (@Livia79) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

I get this response acutely the day after I drink. It is extremely destressing for me as I struggle to function on a daily basis and get so much done after I drink. I don’t like alcohol 1, and 2 I want to know what is chemically happening to replicate it. I get that it’s sugars sodium and fats being affected, anyone know exactly how tho to repeat it without alcohol?

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Lv79 (0) (@Livia79) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Have u guys done the experiments yet 1-4? Findings? I feel desperate to find the answer to function :/
I mean I won’t top myself or anything it’s just very stressful for me :(

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