Have someone changed the Body through the Mind?

Martin (@martinv) 8 years ago

Hi everyone! How are you?

I was wondering if you could share your experiences in having physical changes manifested, coming in a first instance as a reality in your mind. Sorry for my bad language, I’m from Argentina.

I mean, did you change anything physical in yourself with your mind?
For example, weight loss, height gain, grow new hair, changing the color of your eyes/skin, and so on.
Anything related to biokinesis.

If so, which method did you apply? On one hand, maybe you just did it through auto-hypnosis, law of attraction, meditation; on the other hand maybe it’s a combination of physical excercise and a proper mindset.

I am wondering this because I really don’t know how to do it correctly at 100%, it’s very difficult just to -believe- and not have any negative thoughts or subconcious preconceptions and avoiding the change.

Some advices? Share everything you know/believe.

Thank you so much!

June 5, 2014 at 1:07 pm
Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 8 years ago ago

I tried dedicating myself from an early age, the first time I fell in love to be exact, to be in love all the time and entrap myself in it, no matter what happens, so the weight loss and gain happened often and easily without damaging my natural growth. The other things you mentioned… I think I have to be exposed to radiation for too long and mutate.

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Anonymous (64) (@) 8 years ago ago

That first sentence just blew my mind with its beauty and significance.

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 8 years ago ago

Every change a person chooses to make first goes through the mind. In fact, it’s all done through the mind. A physical change such as weight loss, exercise, muscle increase, etc., always goes through the mind first.

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Martin (7) (@martinv) 8 years ago ago

@shoeopener thanks for your answer.
When you say “weight loss and gain”, are you talking about weight gain or height gain? Then, you say these facts correspond to a mind product but the other physical changes can be done JUST by radiation?


@chodebalm
, I think you get me wrong, if not, please correct me, but what I understood in your answer is that everything we’re about to do starts with a thought, in the sense of “I want to lose weight”, so then I start jogging for example, but it’s not that I’m losing weight with my mind only just by meditating or having images of weight lost, right?
The question points to every physical change that we can CONVEICE with the mind, even though anyone could describe it as impossible.
Thank you for your answer.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 8 years ago ago

“When you say “weight loss and gain”, are you talking about weight gain or height gain?”

Yes, when I say only weight loss and gain, I definitely mean absolutely everything you can think of too.

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Kyrani Eade (0) (@kyrani99) 8 years ago ago

There are two ways that I have seen in my experience that the body can be changed by the mind.

The first is simply through thought, particularly a belief, that is when the thought/ idea is upheld in mind with confidence. Two simple cases. If you see a snake or something you are afraid of you will react with fear. Fear is the mobilization of the body (doctors call it the fight or flight response). If you think something you have eaten or drunk is toxic or bad for you, you will get some bodily reactivity and may even vomit.

I see the above differently to mainstream medicine in that they believe we are machines. I see that we are spiritual beings having physical experiences, hence we have created a body. The biology is purpose driven. The thought comes first and if the person reacts to it that reaction is physical.

The other way I have been able to achieve is through a special type of meditation but it is also true that my ability to do this has come after some mystical /enlightenment experiences. I observed that the physical body is really the manifestation of information. Basically there is a blueprint body that is in a sense a matrix of information. All of that information can be amended. The original information is not lost but in a sense it can be updated. The original information can also be made current again but the amendments are still there and can be accessed.
kyrani

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Martin (7) (@martinv) 8 years ago ago

@kyrani99 Thank you for your answer Kyrani :)
Yes, I’m talking about more for the 2nd way you mentioned, via meditation.
How’s that you need to have a mystical experience first? With all respect, can you share with us the one you had? And after that, what physical change did you achieve?
Thanks again!

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Kyrani Eade (0) (@kyrani99) 8 years ago ago

It is impossible to talk about mystical experience because everything that we have, all the concepts that we use to communicate are of no use. Subject and object are gone. It is another level altogether.

However what it does is make one realize that the body and mind are created, rather like a form and the ideas that were conceived to create the form. I mentioned the mystical experience because it gives the person a perspective that makes them realize that the body-mind can all be amended and changed. It gives confidence that helps one be able to do things more easily.

You can still make changes without having had the experience.
To gain confidence you can learn something like Vipassana or insight meditation.

Find a strip of ground that is about 10 meters long, outside or in your home, it doesn’t matter. I was taught this in a retreat in the country side where we had ample space. I used a 20 meter length but you can double up, instead of waking it back and forth in no less than 2 hours, you can do twice back and forth in that time. You need to focus your awareness on your legs. In the beginning you will have trouble walking it in five minutes, let alone 2 hours.

Focus on your step, lift one leg, swing it through a step, place it on the ground, shift your balance, lift the other leg and so on. Once you can maintain your focus on your steps you move you awareness to a muscle, like the calf muscle or a thigh muscle. You become aware of the movements of the muscle as you take your steps. Feel the muscle tense and relax with each movement you make. Once you can maintain that awareness move your awareness to a strip of muscle fibre and watch that.

As your awareness deepens you will move slower and slower. The length of time is only a guide. It is just that you become so focused that you can move your body in infinitesimal small movements as you deepen your awareness. I have gone down to the cellular level and to some extent to the subcellular level. The meditation teacher, who taught me this, had said that he knew someone that had been able to reach the atomic level, so it is possible.

Once you reach this stage you will realize that by thought alone you can make changes. You can instruct your body to make changes simply by upholding ideas. However even without having gone to the trouble of learning Vipassana you can still make changes in your own body, if you are willing to accept that it is possible. It is the turning the idea into belief that is the stumbling block.

What I have done.
I have investigated some diseases that I had suffered, in particular cancer. Using insight meditation I was able to observe in my body and discover what the cancer was and why it developed. As a result I was able to devise mental prescriptions to remiss it. Basically cancer is really a cell barrier or resistance front due to an erroneously perceived danger. Partly the body dismantles it once the person realizes that the danger is really an external threat and not in the body.

I observed that stem cells were transmuting themselves into a variety of forms. Many were dormant forms, with low respiration rates. Some though had other functions. Some could travel through organ and tissue structure to travel to other areas. They were all assisted by cells of the immune system. Once I saw that the changes were made inside the cell nucleus I realized that the changes to the genome were epigenetic. So in a mental prescription I instructed that the cells revert back to normal cells (normal stem cells) of whatever tissues they originated from. I instructed them to remove the excess so the mass was removed. And I further instructed that when the excess cells were removed, that older cells be removed in preference to the newer cells, so I was able to regenerate areas in my body where there had been cancer masses.
Kyrani.

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Martin (7) (@martinv) 8 years ago ago

@kyrani99 wow, that was amazing! Beautiful answer Kyrani, thank you so much.

I never heard about Vipassana, I’m going to search for it :)

Thanks, that was an answer I was hoping for!

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Kyrani Eade (0) (@kyrani99) 8 years ago ago

You are welcomed. It is good to seek out and learn meditation. It can be very useful in your life no matter what you choose to do with your life. I would warn you though to be very careful of what teachers you choose. I have found good teachers and bad and some of the bad ones were very deceptive. Some of them were impressive but it was a front. One Zen teacher in particular looked like a saint and he was bad. Some of them wanted worship and some got angry if I contradicted them. Beware of these types. A good teacher should be interested in your development in your practice and nothing else.

I remember once I was on a 2 month retreat and by that time I had been testing my teachers. So when this one asked me did I do the walking meditation that morning, I said to him well actually I decided to take a longer shower and wash my hair instead. He said that’s okay but did you stay aware and notice the feeling of the lather and the water on your back etc. Then I realized he was about teaching me. He didn’t care about being worshiped. He was great. That was back in the mid 1980’s and he was already about 60 so I don’t know if he is still alive. He was Burmese.

Kyrani

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Soumya Dhani (0) (@SoumyaDhani) 8 years ago ago

Hey!
Vipassana is a common concept in India.. there is a 10 day course in Vipassana for beginners by the Goenka trust that happens every month, in or around New Delhi. My brother went for it this May and I am gonna go soon too…There are many other groups that can initiate one into meditation here too.
Soumya Dhani
New Delhi, India

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Kyrani Eade (0) (@kyrani99) 8 years ago ago

@ Soumya Dhani just out of interest have you heard of the Swami Sivananda Ashram. It’s in Northern India somewhere. Swami Sivananda was the Guru of my Guru, her name was Swami Sivananda-Rita and she was in Australia.
Kyrani

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Ben (231)M (@benjamin) 8 years ago ago

The thing that has helped me come closest to what I think you’re talking about is called “The Feldenkrais Method” Its a way of applying awareness to the body to discover all of your patterns and habits of movement, tension, and relaxation. It’s like a body-meditation through movement. Really powerful stuff. Look into it :)

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Kazi (140) (@kazi) 8 years ago ago

any idea that the mind can change the physical composition of the body it resides in is just wishful thinking (sometimes dangerous). The idea that your mind can change your body is no more than some sort of Solopsistic Monistic Idealism, philosophies that have been thought over and are now disregarded. Let us not throw away empiricism in favor of feel-good, New Age habajaba nonsense.

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Ben (231)M (@benjamin) 8 years ago ago

The mind arises from the brain and nervous system. The nervous system runs throughout the whole body. Brain activity is transmitted into neural firing throughout the body, which regulates muscle movements and plenty of homeostatic processes – hormone regulation, respiration, digestion, etcetc. Sooooo I’d say it takes a shit ton of work and time but if you can come to consciously regulate your nervous activity then your mind very well could change some aspects of the physical composition of the body for the better. The thing is you’d have to be able to consciously regulate yourself on an autonomic level – i.e. you’d have to consciously take over functions which normally happen automatically. So, I think it would be very difficult to accomplish, and the depth and breadth of effect you could have on your body would be arguable – but I think quite real nonetheless.

AND, even if you can’t do that, then your nervous system is always having an enormous effect on the body outside of your awareness – and your mind (thought, emotion, self-concept, etc) is always effecting your nervous activity outside of your awareness – so your mind is always effecting your body whether you know it or not.

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Kazi (140) (@kazi) 7 years, 12 months ago ago

effect and change are two completely different things.

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Ben (231)M (@benjamin) 7 years, 11 months ago ago

How do you think the difference would play into this? I think sustained effect would create change, key word here being sustained.

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Kyrani Eade (0) (@kyrani99) 7 years, 11 months ago ago

@Ben, you said:
“The thing is you’d have to be able to consciously regulate yourself on an autonomic level – i.e. you’d have to consciously take over functions which normally happen automatically. So, I think it would be very difficult to accomplish, and the depth and breadth of effect you could have on your body would be arguable – but I think quite real nonetheless.”

No! Wrong thinking. There is no way as personal self to “take over function”! Personal self is made up of ideas and corresponding bodily reactivity. There is no place to stand to take control or take over. There are two ways of control. One is the easiest and most obvious, although the medical establishment spit chips to deny it and that is that the body is purpose driven. This means that ideas and beliefs govern how the body will behave. You can, from personal self level, make affirmations, uphold ideas etc that can affect how your body reacts.

The other way is from the higher level. Consciousness is a spiritual ability. It is outside of body and mind. From that level you can have control. But, to use your phrase, even with “a shit ton of work and time”, you won’t get there because enlightenment is not attained. It is attainable but by Grace.
Kyrani

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Blah (363) (@tentninja) 8 years ago ago

We are THE most diverse species on the planet.
The thing that seperates us from the rest of the animal kingdom is our ‘mastery’ over thoughts.
Its our minds which help vary our vast array of shapes and sizes :)

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 11 months ago ago

humans are probably just temporal displacements caused by some type of a mathematical rift in the fabric of cosmic sustenance

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Martin (7) (@martinv) 8 years ago ago

Very nice!

I liked all the comments! Let’s keep it this way :)

Now we need more people who have actually changed their bodies in one of all of the ways we’re mentioning.
Don’t be afraid and share your experience!

Thanks for the feedback people.

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:) (0) (@blessing) 8 years ago ago

Hey :) i liked discussion on this :) i’m prode to comnt on this ^_^ my waist is 39 befr 6 mnths.. Bt now transfrmd it in 28.. I feel so proud on this.. I take heavy exercise in gym.. Exercise means not that bodybuilding.. In my sense exercise mean to be fit. I only do running pushups dumbling.. One time meal.. Nd now i become of 28 :) i feel more proud if i upload my photos.. But i dnt know how to do this on thus place :/

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 11 months ago ago

They are inseparable. You cannot change one without changing the other.

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Ben (231)M (@benjamin) 7 years, 11 months ago ago

completely behind this

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