hidden agenda of Obama's gun control..any thoughts?

Chase (@chaselang19) 8 years, 10 months ago

Ive recently came across several articles on Alex Jones’ that present the possibility of a hidden agenda to gun control and shootings like Sandy Hook, where the government may be preparing to disarm the people. Due to the possibility of full economic crash or a WW3 scenario between the U.S. and Russia, Iran, China, etc., the government may want to have full control of us. Might sound a little wild but I’m curious if anyone else out there has heard anything similar.

January 30, 2013 at 11:17 am
Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@chaselang19, Yep I have heard things along those lines and nope, it’s bullshit. Gun control is not as extreme as Republicans are making it out to be, you can still have guns you just have to be responsible in handling and securing them. They will not be so easy to get but if you do what people with guns should do in the first place, use your brain, then the laws shouldn’t effect you that much.

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thatguy (1) (@jnick) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Interesting idea. Plausible, I have not heard anything about conspiracy theories. I can tell you however that living in KY (a state with VERY loose gun guns laws) guns are flying out the stores, ammo and even gun springs are close behind them. If the gov wants to disarm the people they’re seeing the opposite effect in KY.

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Matt P (16) (@mkp843) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I don’t think ppl need assault rifles… but i also think sandy hook never happened… watch the videos of sandy hooked debunked, there are a few dif versions… decide for yourself

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Seriously, guns will be harder to get under new laws, but not impossible. Any person who has a real passion and commitment to guns will just need to make a bit more effort, small price to pay.

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dr. hamsa (42) (@s7221919) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Alex Jones doesn’t know whats really going on. I can’t tell if he is a troll or someone is trolling him. Either way his show is just cashing in on fear. I think it’s interesting how everything that happens under Obama’s watch is a giant conspiracy and nobody questions all the crazy bullshit that happened under bush. WTC7 anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A83846Pb1-A Conspiracy theorists during the bush years were considered both crazy and unpatriotic. These days crazy conspiracy completely unbelievable conspiracies will land you with your own show.

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Chase (21) (@chaselang19) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@trek79, I agree with what you are saying, especially the part about using your brain and not being affected by laws that much. I am a social work major in Indiana, so naturally I am surrounded by professors who dislike guns and view them as some sort of poison. However, I grew up in a family of hunters so I am very much comfortable with firearms, and feel like the solution lies somewhere between educating the public on proper use and abuse and legislative action. We don’t need another war on drugs type era.

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@chaselang19, Alex jones probably knows too much for his own good.. I dont know much about him but what I have heard him say I totally agree with.. he’s just one of the only people out there with the balls to be straight up to people. I can guarantee he has done more research than you on any of these subjects so why not at least take his perspective into consideration?

I most definitely believe gun rights are being fucked with to disarm the people.. Its pretty obvious why they would want to now that people everywhere are waking up to the fact that the world is getting ripped off.

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Chase (21) (@chaselang19) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@mkp843, Yeah man. We have seen disasters like this before that show evidence of being planned or fake (i.e. pearl harbor, 9/11), and Sandy Hook just fits too perfectly in to the picture with everything going in the States right now.
What about the guy in the woods, rifle in the trunk, multiple suspects, lack of crime scene photos….my question is if Sandy Hook was planned, do the people who live in Connecticut also believe in a fake school that for some people would have only been 30 or 40 miles away from their own town?

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Chase (21) (@chaselang19) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heavydreamz, Absolutely. Im very well aware the world is being ripped off. I honestly feel like the next chapter of humanity is somewhere around the corner, except this next chapter is going to be one of increased pollution, higher poverty world-wide, complete civil unrest and the full realization that our planet is being killed by capitalism.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@chaselang19, I think if the U.S spent half as much on cctv as they do on guns, they would solve a buttload more crimes and deter a buttload more than any amount of guns. I have no problem with people who know how to handle guns and store them appropriately, but to think any moron can get a gun without knowing the first thing about the responsibilities, it boggles my mind.
But if I speak any logic to one of these anti-law people, they think I’m an idiot, one said I must be retarded. So yeah, no reasonable counters, just name calling, the mind boggles yet again.

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@trek79, anti law perspective is equally dangerous when the people are so disconnected from each other and misguided by popular culture.. minimal regulations would be the ideal if people have been taught how to take care of themselves and those around them responsibly from the beginning, as the constitution intended on directing us.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Dudes, try and deal in facts, not hypotheticals and conspiracy, heresay and conjecture, your government is not out to get you, they are actually currently winding back on to your side. There will not be a WW3, not possible. An economy crash is not likely because an economy change is. This method is twisting in on itself, even the big industries and corporations are willing to make changes because if they don’t they loose everything.
The people of the world are tighter more now than ever, not despite the troubles we are having but because of them.

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@trek79, what exactly are the facts? What are the sources of your facts?

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heavydreamz, Just paying attention, if you do that this is obvious.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

The problem I always return to is that people say we don’t need assault rifles, but what if, for whatever reason, you are in a situation where you need to defend yourself against someone who is armed with an assault rifle? If you can’t match it, you’ll be outgunned and likely victimized. Plus, I don’t like the idea that the government and police have such an edge on us weapon-wise. If, heaven forbid, the already-unjust regime were to get even worse, we’d have no way to protect ourselves from our so-called “protectors”.

I’m not some kind of gun nut at all, and I’m not even conservative. I just believe though that power corrupts, and that authorities cross into the realm of “abuser” too much as it is. We need to be able to resist power, if it comes down to it.

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dr. hamsa (42) (@s7221919) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

As far as I can tell he hasn’t given any indication in wanting to do anything other than put up an effective assault weapons ban, and put a system in place to prevent the obviously deranged from arming themselves. Also idk maybe it would be nice if people on the terrorist watch list couldn’t guy guns? Is that really asking too much? Just read the 2nd amendment and any sensible person realizes it could use a lot of clarification. They didn’t have ak-47s back then. Having a musket at that time was required to protect the united states from foreign elements, not a tool to threaten the us government. The only reason you would need an assault weapon is if everyone has an assault weapon making the world dangerous for everyone, and that is not a world I want to raise my children in so I’m sorry if my need for safety is more important then your overcompensation in that regard.

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@trek79, paying attention to what? Haha

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@theskafish, very much agreed

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DANM!! (107) (@deej) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@trek79, I went on aol today to check my email and I saw their blatant headlines of a hostage situation taking place now and right next to that some cheerleader girl who was shot the other day. This was top news they wanted to advertise. I do think that all of these shootings and gun crimes are either being exploited or made up for more gun control. I could be deadly wrong but what else could explain this cluster fuck of big media event shootings? What do you think?

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

First of all gun control is a good thing. The Obama administration aren’t trying to ban guns they just want to make sure people can’t get unnecessary weapons such as assault rifles and make sure that people just can’t walk straight off the street and buy a gun.
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I haven’t heard much about the sandy hook conspiracy, but I imagine it is nonsense. If somebody has some credible information proving me wrong please let me know. “Credible” being the key word ie. nothing made by the history channel.

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who (557) (@season) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I think it’s pretty obvious and actually have been calling it for about 6 months or so.

‘merica.

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@chaselang19, People who believe in or promote conspiracy theories are often mentally ill and shouldn’t have guns.

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@deej, People are talking about them because they are real and they are fucked up events that happen EVERY DAY.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@s7221919, when the 2nd Amendment was written, there wasn’t that much of a discrepancy between the weapons used by government troops and those used by the people. I’m just saying, if a day comes where the government starts victimizing its own people (harder than they already do) and they have assault rifles while we have sticks and stones because we let them take our guns away, then things don’t look too good for us.

Besides, making assault weapons illegal only affects law-abiding citizens. Bad guys that want big guns will find a way around the system and will have their guns anyway.

I feel that all this gun talk lately is stopping short of the root of the issue. Instead of looking to create more legislation that probably is only going to hurt regular folks, we should be asking, “what about our society is making more and more people so pissed off?” No one, citizen or politician or anyone else, seems to be asking this question and this is what bothers me. Obviously shootings are still going on, and threats of jail or the death penalty don’t seem to be much of a deterrent to these incidents.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heavydreamz, @deej, Industries and Corporations do have an agenda. 1st of all that is profit, 2nd is protecting the relevance of worth of that profit, 3rd is making sure that if the value of their profit/finances does drop out, they want to ensure they remain dominant after such a fall.
Maybe gun control and media coverage of gun crime is part of that agenda, it would make sense for them to more easily control or subdue the populace in a collapse, especially considering no industries or corporations seem to be fighting gun control. But that just means they are not scared of a society that doesn’t have the threat that any person may be holding a gun.
All gun control is doing is getting people to prove they are responsible to own, handle and secure a gun. It is not about stopping responsible gun owners, it is about making sure gun owners are responsible, and that just means responsible gun owners have to prove they are responsible. It is that simple, it is not about disarming the public, it is about disarming the dangerous, unstable and reckless.
There will not be a WW3 because there is no need for it, no one who is capable of engaging a serious conflict has anything to gain from it, only they have way too much to lose.
There are signs of the system buckling all over the place, that is a no brainer. Everyone is generally comfortable with the world, but for the economic and environmental issues, everyone would prefer that these issues are solved rather than some mass event taking place. It is possible that there are some socio/psychopaths at the top end, running things, who would consider an “event” appealing, but they are kept in check by people who are not like them, who are more like regular people but for their power, influence and wealth, they want a compassionate solution.
If you don’t think this is the case then why do I need to produce evidence? Why not you?

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