hidden agenda of Obama's gun control..any thoughts?

Chase (@chaselang19) 8 years, 11 months ago

Ive recently came across several articles on Alex Jones’ that present the possibility of a hidden agenda to gun control and shootings like Sandy Hook, where the government may be preparing to disarm the people. Due to the possibility of full economic crash or a WW3 scenario between the U.S. and Russia, Iran, China, etc., the government may want to have full control of us. Might sound a little wild but I’m curious if anyone else out there has heard anything similar.

January 30, 2013 at 11:17 am
winslow (85) (@winslow) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@epath, Ok, just seeing what you meant.. Yeah. We are on the same page that assault rifles shouldnt be in bad peoples hands, but we cannot take them from them. That will never be possible. As long as there are people with the wrong intentions then strong weapons will be provided for bad people. It is my opinion, that as long as those people can have any gun they want, then so can I. Ill be damned if one of your drug dealers takes me down without a fight! Or Martial Law!!

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, maybe we should then not manufacture them at all.

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winslow (85) (@winslow) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@epath, Yeah, that would have been a great solution 40 years ago. Also, rapidly fired bullets do just as much damage as slowly shot bullets. But its the gov that provides the means for weapons manufacturing and also the gov that decides that they get all the good ones to basically instill fear into the world.. Im not scared, im a pacifist, but im also no sucker. You are very much against guns, from what I can see, but the whole gun control situation has little to do with any of us on this website. I know a guy who killed someone with a pistol(non semi automatic) and I know the guy he shot and it was because of drugs. Honestly, the world is a better place because neither of them are walking it. The kid who did the shooting though, he rode my bus everyday and we had very normal conversations, he was always in trouble over miniscule things(it was a brain condition that encouraged him to rebel) and the school did little about rehabilitation, only rough punishment after rough punishment. So I can see why he turned out the way he did. I am all for your idea that the world shouldnt have weapons or violence, but it does and as long as there are people with bad intentions then there should be an equalizing force with good intentions. I would even venture to say that americas military has the bad intentions and us citizens have the good ones. But we all know what that would lead to….

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, government doesn’t make all the weapons obviously such as the ones used at sandy hook. And while a single action rifle can kill as well it doesn’t kill as many. No, we will never get rid of all gun violence but rather than give up I’d rather think of solutions. One, as I said, legalize drugs. Two, educate people, help people to live with dignity and a living
If the only solution we have is to add more guns–unregistered and capable of mass killing–then we are not solving the underlying problems. I am sure you are a nice person with good intentions but for a transcendental experience, I would recommend archery, especially zen inspired. :)

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

A living wage I meant to say

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winslow (85) (@winslow) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@epath, Pat, Im not saying we should keep building guns. Im saying at this point they are inevitable and if you disarm the good people the bad people will take over. The government military complex is the catalyst that has caused the increase in technology to the point of where guns are now. Im with you, on your solutions. But a disarmament would have to be for the entire globe and not just citizens. The nuclear arms race is a perfect example of what Im trying to convey to you. The governments built them and now they have to hold on to them or someone on the other side of the world will kill us all. As far as my personality, this conversation is not a gauge. I would love to have a bow for target practice, but I dont plan on killing anything ever.. I am only taking up for our rights to own weapons because 1) nobody can control the black market and 2) myself and my friends have had plenty of fun shooting your “mass murder machines” and none of us have gone on any shooting sprees. Oh yeah, and indians caused plenty of damage with their bow and arrows.

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Keith Hughes (23) (@shaggyandscooby333) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, Gun buy-back explanation

Participating in a gun buy back because you believe that the criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because you believe that the neighbors have too many kids.

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, archery is not just for killing

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winslow (85) (@winslow) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@shaggyandscooby333, Yeah! Im with you, did I say there should be a buy back program? I have some antique guns with sentimental value that I dont think the gov could afford my price, wait, yeah they could. They can afford anything.. What was I thinking?

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winslow (85) (@winslow) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@epath, Neither are semi automatic weapons

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RadiantChild (106) (@rattailbaby) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut, i like to think im more of a critical thinker. I mean if you follow the cookie crumbs hes leaving behind youll see his true agenda. The patriot act, patriot act II, fema camps, all those coffins, 4.6 billion dollars in bullets (hollow points) fluoridated water (rat poison) drones, destroying and dismantling the constitution, RFID chips, killing conspiracy theorist and their kids to discredit them, and of course all the shady tragic events that are obviously set up, now the gun ban. Assassinated one of the most influential leaders of our time (Gaddafi from Africa) and now working with Iraq and giving them weapons and artillery to help bring down Libya. All because Gaddafi exposed the elites at a world conference and said we needed to change the currency from the US dollar to gold. So we killed him and made him look like a terrorist. ANYWAYS our government down not care about us at all, its apparent. Our Gov. has become so corrupt. Question is when are we gonna say enough is enough.

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RadiantChild (106) (@rattailbaby) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Think about it. Murder is already legal. What are we gonna ban next? Our fists?

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Egarim (363)C (@egarim) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@mosesonator,

Look at history.

I am saying in the grand scheme of things it is unnatural for humans to submit. We all yearn for freedom. So if it’s not this generation it will be the next that liberates… if not than the next, or the next, and so on.

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, whoever started it, I refuse to participate or perpetuate this Mad Max vision of civilization. I don’t think we are worth saving if it comes to that. You are of course free to choose and I don’t hate people who make those choices I disagree with. And it is you and your children who will inherit this place,so maybe we older people should step aside.

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winslow (85) (@winslow) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@epath, Older people made this world the way it is now! I dont have any of those weapons and dont want them. Just a few that I was given and thats why I wont give them away. However, I still think that we should be able to choose especially since the bad people will always be able to get guns.

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, excuse me for saying this but that was an ignorant thing to say.. I certainly didn’t cause it to be this way. You are naive in overestimating how much power individuals have. Many people in my generation tried to change things and still are trying. What are you doing to change it? I mean I can blame my parents etc, but what is the point? The problem is power and fighting against those who are rich and sociopathic. I started noticing after the 70s how all goods became cheaper, music accepted–just another way to control the masses. Internet for free etc etc. people Re brainwashed and don’t even know its s they sure dont listen to me.

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winslow (85) (@winslow) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@epath, Your opinion of my ignorance is disregarded. Really? was it?? Because as far as I can tell the world is the way it is because the people who lived on it shaped it. Have the people younger than myself created this giant mess? No, we are inheriting it, and the majority of us cant stand the way things are. Much like yourself.. I see that many of your generation did great things, and many did terrible. I have many plans, dont worry about them. Regardless of this all, I am not blaming you or anyone(I just made the statement that people older than I shaped this world, surely you arent disagreeing with that.), and I think that we are mostly on the same page except for the gun banning. Except that I respect you and you think im ignorant. P.s. I didnt have parents.

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RadiantChild (106) (@rattailbaby) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@chaselang19, Dude, Obama just passed that it is a crime to protest at a political event. Hes dismantling our constitution an no one cares because hes doing it so slick. Its getting worse with every passing day.

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RadiantChild (106) (@rattailbaby) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

In a stunning move that has civil libertarians stuttering with disbelief, the U.S. Senate has just passed a bill that effectively ends the Bill of Rights in America. This bill, passed in a 93-7 vote, declares the entire USA to be a “battleground” upon which U.S. military forces can operate with impunity, overriding Posse Comitatus and granting the military the unchecked power to arrest, detain, interrogate and even assassinate U.S. citizens with impunity.

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Chase (21) (@chaselang19) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rattailbaby, I completely agree. Do you know much about the patriot act?

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RadiantChild (106) (@rattailbaby) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@chaselang19, Yes i know alot about the Patriot act. And the Patriot act II. Such Bullshit. Tyrants in disguise.

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, well of course history shapes the world but to categorically say it us “old people’s” fault is to miss the big picture. We all have to deal with what us handed down to us. But there is way too much out of anyone’s control. My parents’ generation didn’t even know that an atom bomb was being developed–no one did. Would they have protested it after Learning about the Bataan death march and death camps? Probably not. I am not saying that is right but life is complicated. When I was a teenager boys were drafted and getting killed in Vietnam. We changed that so men do not have to serve. If people stopped volunteering–who happen to be young–and instead fought for say a living wage , war wouldn’t happen. So one could say it is the fault of the young for continuing to participate. But i won’t. Because life is complicated and you can only move from where you are standing

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rattailbaby, government has always been corrupt

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winslow (85) (@winslow) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@epath, Im glad to see we agree. If you look back I just said older people. I was being broad on purpose. And yes, most kids believe they have to participate because there is pressure being put on us by who?? So you cant say that its our fault for following rules that were here before we existed. Im not saying its yours, either, because most of them were here before you existed too. So possibly it could have been easier on us younger people if you younger people wouldnt have let it play out the way it did and still is. Now the expectation is for us to clean up a gigantic mess that will continue to get worse until we inherit it? Its a good thing us younger people are now getting older so we can maybe make some of the decisions if the blame of killing mother earth is going to be passed on to us as well. So, lets stop playing the blame game. I want to help, you want to help. The important decisions are far from our control..

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, we all have to try to do yhat and it is impossible, a Herculean mess we were all left with. But things are not better or worse and certainly goby no worse. If you consider Nixon and Watergate and 58 000 dead Americans etc etc. in fact, govt is more transparent now,which doesn’t help since powerin the form of citizens united et al has been legitimized. Govt is the least if our problems

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