hidden agenda of Obama's gun control..any thoughts?

Chase (@chaselang19) 8 years, 11 months ago

Ive recently came across several articles on Alex Jones’ that present the possibility of a hidden agenda to gun control and shootings like Sandy Hook, where the government may be preparing to disarm the people. Due to the possibility of full economic crash or a WW3 scenario between the U.S. and Russia, Iran, China, etc., the government may want to have full control of us. Might sound a little wild but I’m curious if anyone else out there has heard anything similar.

January 30, 2013 at 11:17 am
pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, I think people join the army because either misguided notions of patriotism or for economic reasons. None of my friends with kids would pressure them to sign up.

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winslow (85) (@winslow) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@epath, Yeah, nobody I know in the forces went because they wanted to go fight a war. It was usually for money or no other goals so they might as well go.. I think govt is the root of our problems. At least the shape of the American gov now. They are also the entity that could solve them all if they so chose. But somebody doesnt want to. In America: Foreign war>Foreign Aid.

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RadiantChild (106) (@rattailbaby) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@clovers, @drakonerythros, @chaselang19, @theskafish, @epath, Okay call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever but i mean shit, its kinda obvious what the agenda is. Pass a law that makes America a battle ground. Then take our guns? Not to mention all the other tons of iffy laws this guy has been passing without the consent of congress.

“The National Defense Authorization Act is being called the most traitorous act ever witnessed in the Senate, and the language of the bill is cleverly designed to make you think it doesn’t apply to Americans, but toward the end of the bill it essentially says it can apply to Americans ‘if we want it to.’ ” http://newsvoice.se/2011/12/02/us-senate-declares-the-entire-usa-to-be-a-battleground/

People are making it more complicated than needed. Idk if theres a conspiracy or not, something strange is going on and you dont have to have a very high IQ to figure that out.

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winslow (85) (@winslow) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rattailbaby, Im with you man..

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RadiantChild (106) (@rattailbaby) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, I mean how can you argue with that? lol

“ohh just because America is now a legal battle ground, and the gov is now allowed to kill americans and torture them because they ‘think’ they are terrorists, and are about to take the only guns that could allow us to take on the gov. doesnt mean anything. PISH POSH” lol
I dont get peoples logic.

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winslow (85) (@winslow) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rattailbaby, Yeah, it looks like you and I are fighting a hopeless battle on this thread. But there is another thread that is totally opposite of this.. So when they ban guns, you think the gangs will start giant street brawls or just keep their guns?

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RadiantChild (106) (@rattailbaby) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, See thats just it. They just ignore the absolute fact that when you ban guns, crime goes up. Every single time.

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Chase (21) (@chaselang19) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rattailbaby, Haha. I’m aware of and agree with most of what you have said. Its funny to me how many people I find on here who share very similar views with me. On a different note, you should look in to some of the discoveries they are making in Antarctica, and how the U.S. gov’t has quietly been setting up shop down there.

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Anonymous (214) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@chaselang19, can you elaborate on this I’m genuinely interested

But, I’m with everyone on here who is aware of how completely f*cked and hypocritical it is for the gov. to arm the hell up while taking all of our stuff.

It’s as if they are literally saying “you aren’t responsible enough to have guns. You should leave it to us (the people in charge of mass, organized murder on a global scale) to be in charge of them instead. K thanks”

@rattailbaby

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rattailbaby, and what can we do?

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rattailbaby, some people Are not against guns–just certain types. But never mind, what I wanted to do was mention an article in world socialists (wsws.org) about Seattle anarchists being arrested for refusing to testify before a grand jury, do literally “criminalizing political positions” it reminds me if the McCarthy era and red scare. Now it is terrorism that is being used to manipulate people

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@chaselang19, I believe they want to disarm us but they will only be able to disarm the idiots that let them. Normal American gun owners won’t let them just come and start confiscating guns. And you can bet criminals will get them illegally. It’s stupid to ban all these hand guns and assault weapons.

Nobody in the right mind can look at gun laws and say hey let’s make laws to stop people from getting guns and actually think it will reduce mass shootings and murders. Look at Chicago, strictest gun laws and most murders in the country. You can’t compare America to other countries either because people here have no morals or values like we did in the past before the 80s. Americans need guns for protection from criminals, that’s street criminals and the tyranny of government. That’s what the 2nd amendment is for.

And when people keep telling me we don’t need guns out govt won’t do anything wrong to us I just have to laugh in their face. Other governments are responsible for more murders than any other cause in history. If we give away our right to evenly match the governments fire power we give away all rights, liberty and freedom.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rattailbaby, I agree something is fishy here. Too many executive orders and too many shootings being publicized. Look at history, it repeats itself if people let it. Governments know how to control the people and if we let them they will have control of us.

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, who has ever talked about taking all guns? That is hyperbole. Ok, you guys, you are convinced there is a conspiracy. I won’t argue that rights are being eroded in some areas but–if you are convinced that rights are GONE–what are you doing about it? I mean, if you think it’s here start a revolution.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

What is obvious is that there are 2 sides and both us propaganda. Well I would rather be on the side that is armed and protected than the side that isn’t. Better to be safe than sorry. If someone came into the grocery store or doctors office or library and it was in a state where you can carry a hand gun on your side that idiot that planned on killing people would be dead. End of story.

How do you think it would turn out if that same person walked into a state like Chicago where guns are banned but a criminal obtained one illegally. A lot of dead bodies would be carried out later rather than just 1.

Wake up people, more control is not the answer. Stop telling the government you want more intervention.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@epath, lots of talk about taking guns. The UN has talked about it. Just read an article this morning. The point is that if they ban assault rifles it’s illegal to own and all of us with then will then be criminals. They will be tracking us down and “trying” to take them.

It happened after catrina. They went door to door asking for guns and confiscated them.

If we let them ban guns they will go around taking then don’t u see that?

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@winslow, of the 80,000 murders committed a year, only 1,205are gangland mushers. The bulk of murders are due to “arguments.”(39,686). Most murderers are known to victims. No, if guns were taken away, criminals would still have them, but statistically speaking, they aren’t the problem. Idiots are.

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@reinvented2012, so? Give up your assault rifles then. Or don’t. Fight. You don’t need them unless you want to start a revolution. In that case, shit or get off the pot.

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@reinvented2012, they Already do! And gun lobbyists control you you!! You think you’re free but all of you are spouting what someone else told you!!!

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@reinvented2012, the UN!!! Hahaha!!!! You do know how the UN works, don’t you, that WE have more votes? That the UN is not Darth Vader? That they can’t make us? If we can’t even go against Israeli policies against Palestine, do you think we’re going to cringe if “they” say give up your guns?

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Anonymous (214) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rattailbaby, just remember, regardless of what happens, they can’t take what they can’t find =)

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@epath, nothing your saying makes sense. Your saying I’m not free because I’m sharing information I have read regarding gun control. How is that control? Why are you against guns? Because anti-gun lobbyists control you? Must be if pro-gun lobbyists are controlling me and anyone else that’s arguing against you.

You’re saying I only should have an “assault rifle” (propaganda name) since they are semi-autos for a revolution. Really it’s for defense. I’m not going to go out with it and start shooting for no reason to try and make a point.

And I think if the US govt wanted our guns taken away they would have UN troops come and do it since American troops would not be ok with that. So that’s why I brought that topic into this conversation. You’re not backing your anti-gun argument up at all. Nobody is ever able to prove more control will work here the same way anti-marijuana people can’t say making it legal will hurt anyone or anything other than alcohol companies profits (not proven either but makes sense).

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@reinvented2012, if you had read anything I said yo would know I am not against guns. Of course they are assault weapons–no reason to have them except to kill people. I am sorry,an still laughing about UN.

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@epath, well then I don’t kno what your position is if you’re not against guns because to me you sound anti-gun.

And all guns kill not just semi-automatic rifles. Liberal logic that banning a certain bullet or a magazine with more than 10 rounds will help anything is ridiculous. U can just have 10 clips of 10 rounds and keep switching them out. Whatever they are saying is getting some people aboard their ship but that ship will sink once some holes are put in it.

So I say people should be allowed to carry around hand guns and own whatever weapon they want. I don’t think people would be breaking into houses or bullying people if they had to think whether or not that person had a gun.

Disagree if you like I’m just stating my beliefs. Some agree some dont that’s fine but I feel safer being armed and I’m not giving in to the scare tactics used by the government to give up my guns or any of that. You kno people gave guns away after the school shooting in Newtown. Yea that makes a lot of sense, more crazed idiots are getting guns and the “sane” ones are giving them away. Sounds logical, but I guess if they’re giving them away they didn’t deserve them in the first place.

It’s been good sharing my opinions with you about this and not really getting a logical argument to make me feel at all that my position might have to be rethought. Gun owners unite, sheep herd themselves to the cremation chambers.

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pat (169) (@epath) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@reinvented2012, I also haven’ seen the logic for keeping assault rifles. The fact is, the mass murders at schools were done by those types of weapons and the killers could have been stopped more sooner if they had not had them. My beliefs and opinions come from many sources, liberal, conservative, and from experience and observation. Anyway, impossible to change anyone’s minds.

I will add that I am worried about a lot of things in my country and for either side to continue to focus on guns is dangerous and counterproductive.

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