How do you address the social stigmas surrounding psychedelics?

Jon (@Fawkes) 7 years, 3 months ago

Those of you who have experienced psychedelia and have learned from it in the same way that I believe I have, will hopefully agree with me when I say that the experience makes us better people and yet you will also be aware of the stigmas surrounding the use of psychedelics from a large proportion of society. I don’t think of myself as a “druggy” despite that being the label which a large number of people would assign to me. It saddens me that people will make such assumptions without first educating themselves on the matter. To me, psychedelia isn’t as much recreational as it is self improvement and understanding.

I’d be interested to know how you would justify the use of psychedelics to someone who would otherwise pass judgement.

August 29, 2014 at 6:13 pm
josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

start with the medical benefits of cannabis – and true death defying patients.

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Jon (0) (@Fawkes) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

I think that’d be slightly hypocritical of me being as I’m very aware of the adverse effects of smoking cannabis over a long period of time. I’ve seen it completely ruin a number of people and turn them into unpleasant people. That said, as you’ve mentioned there are medical benefits to smoking cannabis so I’d leave that drug a little on the fence. It would also be slightly dishonest of me to claim that I was smoking cannabis for medical reasons, or with the intention of improving myself. I don’t – I smoke it very occasionally to have a laugh; whereas psychedelics I do take to access parts of my brain I haven’t been able to before, learn more about my own consciousness and to improve myself.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

what psychedelics dont have the potential to completely revamp someones outlook on life? thats why they are pursued. cannabis is the sole reason why some people are alive today.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

No one can survive only on cannabis. I guess that’s why we started legalizing it slowly, because people defending cannabis are a little full of themselves. Like you.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

liberation for the win

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

ive seen with my own three eyes cannabis access locked parts of someones brain for sure.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

That made me laugh and I don’t get it. I believe you. Anyway, yeah. It’s not the psychedelic effect. Have you seen people with absolutely no appetite?

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

i know someone with MS and he is pretty much dying. he lives in chicago and has to pass a piss test every time he goes to the doctor or he loses all of his health insurance. weed is the only thing that truly eases his pain.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

Dramatic. What about his family, is he supported by people who love him? Obviously, because he does need the money for insurance and weed. That’s so beautiful, Joseph. I hope weed keeps him company until the day he dies. You really are a fucking idiot, aren’t you?

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Jon (0) (@Fawkes) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

I disagree. It’s been months since I last took a psychedelic so there’s no question of my thoughts being afterglow. To me, psychedelia isn’t as much recreational, as it is educational and I think what I get from a psychedelic experience reflects that.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

months isnt that long. – and when our bit-processing sky-rockets we have no choice but to be hyper-aware resulting in edumacation.

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Jon (0) (@Fawkes) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

It’s long enough to eliminate the possibility of my changes in thoughts being afterglow.

The point that I’m trying to make is this: https://www.highexistence.com/tripping-as-a-tool-for-self-improvement/

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

ive had a far longer afterglow then just a few months – and when is tripping not a tool for self improvement? there really is no scenario where a massive influx of information wont affect us – either way – improvement is inevitable.

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Jon (0) (@Fawkes) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

Sorry lol I thought you were arguing the opposite of what you seem to be here.

“what psychedelics dont have the potential to completely revamp someones outlook on life?” led me to believe that you didn’t believe psychedelics could change someone’s outlook on life?

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lyfe (1) (@greenbreath) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

“Mind food”

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

It’s ridiculous how ignorant people are, actually. I don’t know what else can be said about it. With great persistence comes great failure. :) I don’t think there’s such a stigma regarding psychedelics, though. If you’re called a druggy, make sure first you’re not one. I think you answered your own question, but personally I’d point out artists who promote hard drugs as well, but are judged for their destructive behavior. Usually, that’s why stigmas exist in the first place even if they’re destructive for some, they are a source for growth for others. There’s a certain amount of stupidity revolving around stigmas, which involves provocation. You know what I mean? If you don’t want to be judged by your lifestyle you shouldn’t give people a reason. If you are incompetently attacked you won’t need to prove what already works with arguments, but with your own well-being.

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TheShiningBuddha (0) (@Grenz) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

psychedelics are really interesting. They have the ability to transform people for the better. However, this lies in the preparation and execution of the drugs themselves. For example, if someone were to prepare properly and take said drugs in a controlled and comfortable setting with close friends or people they trust.. the potential for growth is astounding. I always say psychedelics are a de-frag of the brain.. a reformatting if you will. When trying to explain psychedelics to people that are close minded for one reason or another you have to show them literal examples of other people who became successful after or while taking psychedelics. As we all know there are plenty. Also in my experience, anyone who has ingested any psychedelics have changed in an objective light.. and that is to say they have become much much more open-minded. This naturally brings about a more clear understanding of the present. This is significant and brings about only positive attributes. For example, someone will listen to simply listen. Instead of someone listening for the sole purpose of responding. The difference being, in the first scenario the person will absorb 100% of the info. the other has to share. Where as in the latter, the person will “listen” but while “listening” they’re preparing for a response, so they are not fully absorbing info. the other has to offer, they are preparing for their own response. Selfish..very probable. Ego-driven..pretty much. Ignorant of the fact that they’re doing that..most likely. There are so many other aspects like this in which individuals who experience psychedelics change for the better. Wait a second..i’m able to objectively see information and act accordingly while still having a soul and my subjective experiences at the same time…and not become brain dead, a bum, a scum to society, etc… and overall become successful after the use of psychedelics in my own life?!?! Common sense to some people.. to others.. not so much. It’s unfortunate that others have tunnel vision of the world. Love the pro-active discussion Jon. In my life personally, I’ve gone through similar questions of trying to get others to see the beauty and wonder in drugs that have potential. Unfortunately people will only change if they themselves really feel it’s necessary. I have found that the justifications for psychedelics far outweigh the negatives..blatantly so. Unfortunately you can only lead a noob to water, you can’t make a noob drink it.. :p I have come to the realization that people will do what they want. The world will always be that way and there is really no point in worrying about it. Trying to change someone or to make them see something great will only come in time and it will be in their own life..acted out by themselves ultimately. That is at least how the majority of these types of people will change. Others will simply be curious and do it themselves to see what all the fuss is about and soon realize there are more possibilities than they were told to believe. Don’t worry about others in that sense, use the time you have to worry about your own life. Allow the people that will listen to gravitate towards you and let the people that won’t slowly fade from your life. It is sad, because as human beings we are naturally altruistic. We want to help others, to help them grow and breathe life and energy into others. There comes the dilemma, those people need to go through their own struggles in order to change and take their own transformative processes seriously. Everyone deserves greatness in their own personal lives. One of the big problems is that people sometimes don’t know when to change. Fortunately life has its own way of throwing you into that change forcefully. At that point it’s just a matter of acknowledging that it’s happening and act accordingly.
“If there is no struggle, there is no progress.” – Frederick Douglass

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Jon (0) (@Fawkes) 7 years, 3 months ago ago

Thanks very much for this reply. I can relate to so much of what you’re saying. It really is a frustration that they don’t understanding what it is that they’re condemning and how it can improve any human being brave enough to embrace it.

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