HOW MUCH $$$ IS *TRUTH* WORTH?

Anonymous (@) 8 years, 10 months ago

Here’s the dealio: so, looking at various sites over various times of “teachers”, “gurus”, “self-help” experts, yada, yada, yada…. it seems that their messages come at a steep price, in some cases. Once I saw there was to be a live stream of a satsang of one I had come across, but, damn, it costs money just to watch, let alone what it maybe costs those who were able to attend in person. And yes, yes, I am aware of the usual comeback that it costs money to rent facilities, serve food, and such expenses. Well then, have it on the beach or in the woods or in a field and let those who wish bring a picnic basket and of those who can bring extra for others. My little bit of words here are not going to change anything, and everything, I reckon, has its place and even those who pay may “get” something that helps them along their way. I just think that, just maybe, folks could be more creative in figuring out ways to do these things at little(donated) to no cost. How much did the Buddha or Jesus charge when they spoke?

January 27, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Great point. I just found this

The gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke each tell of another account, when the Pharisees tried to trap Jesus in his words, and find a reason to accuse him. In Matthew 22:15-22 we read:
Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”
But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, “Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

Then he said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away. (NIV)

[Hidden]
Phil (83) (@urbanuncia) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Truth in its purest form, to me, is priceless. If you are 100% on the path of righteousness, then you would want to spread your message to as many people as possible and as easily as possible. A teacher would not ask for compensation.

[Hidden]
John (32) (@luzimzo) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rickyferdon,

I think you make a fair point. However, I think the price is still OUTRAGEOUSLY CHEAP. A EXPENSIVE SELF-HELP BOOK –$15-30 DVD–50-100 SEMINAR 1000-3000. HOW MUCH DOES A LUXURIOUS HOME OR A FERRARI COST? HOW MUCH VALUE DO YOU RECEIVE FROM THESE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.

[Hidden]
Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rickyferdon, The vast majority of these people are NOT gurus or experts, but BUSINESSMEN.
It’s all about the money. And even those who aren’t all about the money are bogus, because they’re obsessed with their teacher egos.

Truth is readily available and doesn’t cost anything. Life teaches you all lessons that you could possibly learn. It doesn’t cost money, all it takes is effort, time and energy.
But those are way more precious than money, so paying money is sometimes worth it for the “shortcuts” offered.

BUT ONLY IF THE INFO IS ANY GOOD…

…WHICH IT VERY RARELY IS.

This is the information age, you could find pretty much any of the stuff these “gurus” and “experts” teach, for free on the internet or at the library. Or from someone you know.
Ask, and you shall get answers. Seek, and you shall find.

BUT answer me this question:
If you’re not willing to pay all that you have, how much do you really value knowledge? Does this not mean that YOU care more about money than truth?
Does this not mean that you’re a hypocrite when you call the “gurus” out on their schemes?

Personally, I’d be willing to pay big money and travel to the opposite side of the planet for good info. And I’d be willing to take a chance and risk ending up disappointed.
Because I value knowledge above money, above most to be honest.

If you’re not willing to pay the price, it’s not for you. If you don’t like nets, don’t play tennis. If you can’t swim, don’t surf. If you can’t pay, don’t buy.
Do something else, move along.

The cost is part of the deal. You can’t have one without the other. Deal with it.

[Hidden]
Anonymous (177) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@manimal, You asked: “BUT answer me this question:
If you’re not willing to pay all that you have, how much do you really value knowledge? Does this not mean that YOU care more about money than truth?
Does this not mean that you’re a hypocrite when you call the “gurus” out on their schemes?” So I will answer though I read that an old Zen rule of thumb is not to respond until asked 3 times. I have nothing to give as far as material ownership of anything. I possess some shoes and clothes and one surfboard, but don’t own them and anyone may have any of it. I don’t “value” knowledge – that’s almost an oxymoron. Obviously, I don’t “care” about money at all. I am retired with no pension. I substitute teach for a small stipend, but that is all about interaction with the students and throwing some sparks of “truth” their way (at no charge) every now and then. Am I a hypocrite? I don’t know. Peace, Love & Light ~ ricky

[Hidden]
dr. hamsa (42) (@s7221919) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I think you mean how much time is it worth? As long as it takes haha : )

[Hidden]
Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rickyferdon, (Disclaimer: Shameless HE plug) I think people could do better to read some of the threads on HE than what they could gain from pumping any amount of money into these gurus and self-help gimmicks.

[Hidden]
Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@beyond, Jesus did encourage people to sell all they had and donate it to his ministry.

[Hidden]
Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@trek79, Some say it’s a temple tax, others say it’s a donation. I guess it’s how you look at things. I really don’t know how to look at it though. Truth can be twisted however everyone wishes. I relate it to my yesterday walk when I looked through the window of a book store. The best selling books were about sex, the most ancient lie with the pyramids on the cover, the oldest lies in politics, and I just thought that people are more interested in lies than truths. Hehe. :)
edit: I just remembered that the Bible was there too. An encyclopedia about every mushroom on the planet and some new translation of the greatest tragedies by Shakespeare. Not that it’s relevant but the bible was a big format with hard cover which is more expensive. I have no idea where I’m going with this.

[Hidden]
Anonymous (177) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@trek79, A gentle correction, please: Jesus said, “go and sell all you possess, and give it to the poor…” (Mark 10:21)

[Hidden]
Anonymous (177) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@beyond, If I may make an attempt to clarify “my” position, so to speak? I suppose as each has her and his own path to walk, then some paths will be connected to “these” of whom I spoke in the initial post. And even those of these positions are in the midst of their paths too. How do I say?…. I mean not to post as some condemnation nor judgement on those who “sell”(and that,even, is just through my eyes), but more commentary, I suppose, on a personal feeling about this. If I ever stand and paint others according to my own paintbrush from some position of superiority, then please shoot me. Peace, Love & Light ~ ricky

[Hidden]
Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rickyferdon, The topic on its own could hurt people’s feelings if it’s not just commentary and I have critical tendencies so I try censoring myself, because I admire a lot of faithful people’s work inspired by different teachings. If I look at the truth as measurement to someone’s deeds, it sure would be heavier than all the interpretations of it.

[Hidden]
Muhammed (31) (@mehdi756) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

So I had a door to door bible salesman come a couple weeks ago trying to sell my I bible… 30$, not expensive enough to make a big deal out of but what he said was. He told me “Buy this and read it, and you will undoubtedly go to heaven”, so gods prices tag on heven is 30$ and a couple hours people who don’t have the money or time can’t go to heaven

[Hidden]
Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@rickyferdon, Yeah, I looked it up to confirm it, you are right, but chances are the best way you could help the poor back then was giving all your money to Jesus, his ministry knew how to help the poor best of all and could likely get the best bang for your buck if you gave it to them.

[Hidden]
Viewing 13 reply threads
load more