How was creation invented?

Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (@2bias) 8 years, 9 months ago

Sitting in religion class I thought of a problem. Being an agnostic/whateverist I came to think about how creation was thought up? I mean if you assert that creation IS fiction, then how did it come about? Why do you think someone would make up that story? Wouldn’t preaching a made up story automatically deem you insane? did mister mystery man preach his story in spite of this or was he/she (probably a he I guess) actually insane and got the story through a vision or something like that? Grant me you brainmilk!

February 11, 2013 at 5:12 am
Anonymous (177) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@2bias, “whateverist” – i like that! – consider: there is no width nor length to the universe – it is infinite – there is no center as there is no edge or boundaries – nothing to measure to or from – there is no beginning nor end to it – there being no beginning, it was never created – having never been created, there is no creator – it always just was/is – creationless existence – causeless beingness – that being said, there is nothing to “believe” about it – why bother? – thoughts and ideas about it arise after the fact – it’s already there – to understand it we would need to have been there at the beginningless beginning, right? – but we were – or are – cause with no beginning nor end – just causeless existence, then there certainly is no such thing as “time” – or is there no such thing as no-such-thing? – is there anything at all? – ha, mental masturbation that is – boiling down to conceptual understanding is pointless – just mind play – whose mind? – where is the owner of that “mind”? – what the f**k difference does it make about any of it? – 5 people debate this for 5 hours then each goes home – what was gained by the debate? – was any of the 5 affected or changed in any way at all? – was the world helped? – ha – question arises then, “what is the point, then?” – i don’t know

thedudeabides (15) (@thedudeabides) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

good stuff…ponder this i will.

…….me thinks that we are all one. in the cosmic wheel or divine dichotomy of having to be in order to not be, know to not know. what i am to know what i’m not. i’m not sure but i don’t think that this is all coincidence. i mean really? come on. this is just random coincidental events perpetrating our fleeting existence. i do believe in a power greater than myself, be it spirit of the universe or a god or a higher power i don’t know. i do know i am not religious….at all, not one iota. for me religion is for people who fear searching themselves for a higher power or god concept or whatever, they need that structure of organized religion to tell them what to do, whom to do it with and how to do it. if that works for them great. not me, nope, uh no thanks. i do believe that there is some greater force at work here and we really can’t comprehend it with our primitive thinking and understanding of life and the universe. in the begining there was nothing but something was desired to be. and in that desire something was created, but something couldn’t know it was something without knowing about nothing. i think this perpetuated through all the universe….for ever….ad infinitum……infinitly.. unless it doesn’t………oh yeah and time doesn’t exist….we are in the eternal now….unless we are not.

Andrew A. (201) (@biga69) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@2bias, Like native american and other cultures, the christian creation story was made as an attempt to explain why we are here. The only difference is that the christian creation story is the only one that got spread throughout the entire planet. Science would eventually disprove any “creation story” so no matter what someone is going to be deemed insane. A good way to look at it is to find metaphors in the creation story that relate to the scientific “creation story”.

Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (92) (@2bias) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I just think it seems a bit to simple to just conclude that it was a deliberate attempt at explaining something out of our grasp. I mean, even if this was a bigger deal in ancient times, I don’t see myself sitting with my grandchildren cut short by their grand questions about the nature and origin of the world, simply making up a story and actually committing to that explanation. Some pattern must have been responsible, but how do we explain that in modern terms? I like what ricky is saying about this by the way.

Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@2bias, I say “Godliness is in correctly drawing a line between the relevant and the irrelevant” Ricky has a point that we “mental masturbate” over distraction issues, loosing vital time that we can be seeking understanding on practical matters and developing objective application to knowledge for benefit in the real world.
I think your answer is right there, if people sat around going nuts about how existence happened then they would not be knuckling down working on finding way to advance our abilities to direct the cause and effect universe to an advantage and to minimize its disadvantages. It is really about taking peoples minds of the irrelevant so they can focus on the relevant.

brent (446) (@brentman) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

western governments have always loved the notion of creation.
if you believe that you have been created, and somehow came INTO this world by virtue of of a higher entity then you will always think of yourself as separate from everything else and that you don’t exist in your own right.
Because you believe that you’re this separate “thing” put together from “stuff,” you’re almost always going to feel subconsciously insecure and feel indebted for your existence. Western creation-based religion makes be people terribly ridden with guilt (you are born a sinner) and so they really feel they have no right in living to begin with.
SO why do they love this? well, if you feel that lack of control and especially if you believe that your life really isn’t even yours to determine (predestination is very common with creationist religions), you are far more likely to be submissive (hence the kneeling position of praying).
the notion of God as a creator and King is always in the back of their minds so when it comes to government they almost instantly feel guilty and will do whatever it takes to avoid being in trouble. ex: when a police comes to your door immediately you wonder what you’ve done wrong.
I know I didn’t answer your question but thought I’d share some insight as to how deeply rooted it is in the west.

Nickole (67) (@squishy) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@brentman, Completely agree. I feel organized religion is for people who want a parent figure telling them this is good and this is bad. If you’re good you go to heaven, if you are bad you go to hell. Defiantly impacts the rest of society and people use it to their advantage.

@2bias, Reminds me of the movie The Invention Of Lying where in the end he tells people about god and religion to comfort his dying mother. Maybe that could be part of it, explaining to your child about death would certainly be easier if you said they went to a place called heaven versus buried in the ground. Idk, just thoughts

Nakedape (112) (@nakedape) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Great discussion..

I found Albert Einstein’s views on the subject interesting –

It seems he subscribed to agnosticism, and ‘Spinoza’s god’ which appeals to my general view on the subject.

I think the subject of creation is a natural question for us to have, however I do not know whether it is true.

Einstein said,
“Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.”

And Nikola Tesla said
“To me, the universe is simply a great machine which never came into being and never will end. ”

Anonymous (22) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

At a time when weather was thought to be affected directly by omens and witch craft, people would believe anything that explained the unexplained. Eventually these believers gained government power and subjected their people to their creationism ideas. Lastly, through trade routes and immigration, people in other lands learned of it. This is how it was created and this is it’s spread.

Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (92) (@2bias) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@nakedape, Einsteins thoughts on anything and especially everything, are at any time interesting!

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