About two years ago i picked my own mushrooms with a freind and i guess i had too many stems or something because my shroomy perception never went away, i started on a spiritual awakening and researched anything i thought may have helped, i started reading about the third eye after about 6 months and from there my understanding just grew, for awhile i thought i was an alien and then a fallen angel or a reincarnation of countless important people throughout history, but the other day i read a page on HPPD or hallicinogen persistent perception disorder and it was the last peice of my puzzle. Finally a term that brings my condition down to earth, I found throughout various means that stimulants bring me down a little and allow me to focus at work etc, alcohol and weed help me sleep but i feel shitty the next day, but any kind of natural psychedelic zeros me out and makes me feel connected and normal again, currently i have quit all drugs except the occaisional joint, even coffee as it tweaks me out to much to be content. And i eat 2 or 3 morning glory seeds a day to sustain my general well being.
Now the discussion, is it feasable that a permanent mushroom trip is a permanent spiritual awakening and i should jus keep blazing and eating my seeds and wait until i fuse with god or should i try and get treatment for hppd, my suspicion is they will try and give me fluoxetine or ritalin or something simalar and i know how these pharms will simply recalcify my pineal gland. Is there any sort of scrip that stimulates and heals the pineal gland? or does that go against all the medical establishment stands for? I dont want to close my third eye i just want to maintain without wasting cash on weed etc, and see what options i have as a human with a permanent trip
Eating morning glory seeds will do nothing. You have to extract the LSA.
Eating mushrooms helps to understand what direction you should be moving in on a spiritual path, but it will never fully enlighten you, rather, confuse you if you get stuck on the psychotropic illusory “enlightenment”.
@tothemax92, you sound awakened, not disordered. It’s okay to question your spirituality and existence because no one really knows what is correct or true. I don’t believe you have hppd or any permanent change from shrooms, just a vivid imagination. I would never convince myself of such conclusions like being an alien or fallen angel or hppd because you can’t really know, though I think those all sound a bit silly. You’re definitely on the generally right track though, you know you’re part of a higher power. I think in some ways we’re never supposed to completely understand the mystery. We can pick up clues and develop our beliefs, but to jump to those conclusions is a step in the wrong direction, IMO.
You’re trying to piece a puzzle that isn’t really there. You don’t need any drugs or medication to maintain your psyche, just meditate and follow your own path. Life and spirituality is a dance to be expressed and transformed, not an equation to be solved.
@tothemax92, Yeah, the mushrooms gave you a reality check. I think that its ridiculous that society tries to classify everything into some kind of condition. You have these symptoms, buy this, be a zombie. Just dont worry about it and roll with the flow. Why would you want to shut down a permanent trip anyways? Dream world is amazing, real world is suck.
@winslow, i love my dreamworld, i just want to learn how to control it and make the most of it, im not happy with how much weed i smoke and my ciggarette addiction, i want to enjoy my trip without needing all the smoke, i plan on continuing the seeds for a few days to add to my permatrip, but when i quit my smokes etc i know my 3rd eye will open more, i need a new craving that will keep rebuilding new synapses, not keepp it stagnant like weed does, i would give up all of thatif i could keep a consistent dose of mushrooms but i have a wife and young duaghter and i dont want to cause trouble for my family. What about 5HTP? i suspect it would work for a time and then start closing my eye again like most things. i need something i can take daily without worrying about having a vision at work or while im driving lol
@backcase, i dont just eat them, i keep them in my cheek until they soften then crunch it a little and put it under my tounge for awhile before i spit it out, it doesnt get me high just allows me to zen out and think faster, its like my natural nzt from limetless
@tothemax92, I have “HPPD” but I am more inclined to agree with the idea that HPPD is actually just noticing what was always there – the distortions of vision. You always had them but now that you’ve had open eye visuals you notice them more.
When I don’t pay attention, they are gone. But when I look for them – well the whole room starts moving.
HPPD, in my honest opinion is not a condition. Its like looking in the mirror for the first time – after that you’re ALWAYS going to be conscious of what you look like. After having open eyed visuals you’re always going to be aware of the distortions in the field of vision.
beyond that 3 morning glory seeds is not going to do anything, and many producers of them coat them with a toxin in order to make people like you throw up or feel sick. SO I would stop doing that. You need to take around 800 to 1000 morning glory seeds to have a trip, so taking nearly 1/500th of that is… not going to do anything. Honestly. You’d get higher breathing in some rank air.
How do you know there is something wrong with your pineal gland. You seem to be functioning just fine.
The only thing you have is you’re WORRIED about ANYTHING. You have the fear that something is wrong, when in fact, the only thing “Wrong” is you have fear to begin with. A vicious cycle. There is nothing different, wrong, or special about you. You are normal. You just took a powerful hallucinogen and couldn’t put the pieces together, and I’m guessing that was followed by a decent amount of fear.
@ijesuschrist, thanks bro im aware of all of this, i just wanted to discuss with people other than my gf who just likes weed, all in all i want to increase my hppd and give up everything, im just working through it in my own groove. what have you found helps and not?
@tothemax92, what helps is not believing things like my pineal gland is calcified. There is no reason you should believe taking morning glory seeds would for whatever reason decalcify your pineal gland. And if there was something actually wrong with it, you would know.
When people come to me and say things like “I think I have some kind of condition in my brain” such as damage or depression or ‘imbalances’ or something else I immediately look at them and they are standing straight, typing fine, talking fine, look relatively healthy, seem to be able to hold a job and talk to people, can drive a car or ride a bike, can make art and do math. Then I say
“Well. Theres nothing wrong with your brain, just your ideas”
Don’t make up problems that don’t exist and you’ll have no problems. There is nothing wrong with your brain. If you tried to ‘decalcify’ your pineal gland after 6 months I bet you would feel exactly the same as if you just stopped thinking about it if not worse.
So just stop thinking about it.
@tothemax92, I’m interested in your morning glory seed remedy, I’ve taken a couple seeds as a migraine cure and the low dose definitely has an effect for me. I’m curious about your on-going experiment, but it sounds almost like you think you are ‘addicted’ (terrible word) to psychedelics, or at least feeling guilty for thinking differently. It seems the only thing truly bothering you is the guilt you have and that is simply because it’s not socially acceptable. Fuck society! I go through the same shit, stressing about the what I do with MY life. The worrying induced by the social contraints is far more toxic than psychs in my experience. So if you came here to justify daily psychedelic use, there you have it! As long as you don’t beat yourself up about it.
@heavydreamz, yeah a few seeds is just enough psychedelic to run a small current thru the synapse and calm the twitchy connection a little, thus releif from cluster headaches, i get these and constant pops from my pineal gland pretty much every day when my energy is up, ive been smoking weed every day for a few years now and when i stop for a few days my visuals intensify, this is great but the excess energy turns into anxiety in stressful situations, i can literally tune in and see and feel other people energy gravitating towards me as i gues i am giving off somekind of contact buzz. I am addicted to weed and ciggarettes but would rather replace that addiction with something that melds with where im at mentally and spiritually
@ijesuschrist, i dont beleieve its calcified i believe i am somewhere in the middle of getting it healthy like we were meant to be born with, but i think some kind of daily low dose of mushroom, or even a synthetic prescription of something similar would continue my awakening. but i in no way want anything based on a high ph chemical (Base not acidic) like fluoxetine or prednisone etc which shrivel the gland again and leave me like any other “Normal” citizen
@tothemax92, How do you know that a high pH chemical shrivels the pineal gland?
Fluoxetine is not going to change the pH of your brain.
Fluoxetine can act as a base, to clarify. Not sure if you are implying that is a base or an acid.
Prednisone is not really a strong acid, and is definitely not a base.
LSA (the compound in morning glories) can act as both an acid and a base.
I’m not sure what you think the pKa value (pH is not a proper term to use here) has on it shrinking or doing anything to the pineal gland.
Where are you getting this information?
@ijesuschrist, dude if your just gonna side rail everyone of my discussions id prefer you just didnt comment, on the other hand i would love to hear something new, give me some insight, please just stop contradicting every word i say and say something new.
@ijesuschrist, and fluoxetine is two out of three parts flouride, it calcifys where acids de-calcify, the human body and mind is actually a very simple biological computer and once you have a basic spiritual understanding it is very simple, if you do indeed have hppd you should perceive most of the things i say with ease. And HPPD is a new term to me which i am just feeling out, i myself personally beleive i just have a partially open third eye which i intend to continue prying open rather than seizing shut with high pKa volume chemicals, even tylenol and advil are dense base substances and thus hinder the pineal rather than help it
@tothemax92, what mr.christ is wondering is where you are getting this information from. You clearly have strong beliefs in the relationship between certain compounds (and their acidity/alkalinity) with the pineal gland and its calcification. I am also very curious about where you learned these things. I’ve read about the pineal gland calcification and the only studied relation between the two, which I’ve come across, are about fluoride. (http://www.fluoridealert.org/studies/luke-1997/) Other than that it is a lot of works that are published without any referenced research. So yeah, we’re a little skeptical, but I’m willing to believe if you could direct me to something.
But man, I believe this could very well happen to me, I already see so many patterns shift and change as I stare at them and I haven’t even had the chance to take shrooms yet. I could see that this would be quite the predicament, whether this is good for you or not. Losing grip on reality is a scary thought, but I am so curious about it as well. Now do you have a complete change of perspective or would say that it could be the hindering visual distortions that you notice which cause you to think like you were tripping?
@tothemax92, “fluoxetine is two out of three parts flouride”
1) It contains flourine, not flouride.
2) It only has three atoms of flourine out of 27 other atoms
Unless you are going by mass, then it is roughly 18% of the mass, again not 66%, as you state.
Further – Ibuprofen is an acid, while tylenol has both an acid and basic group.
So again, your statements lead me to question where you’re getting your information.
“pKa volume chemicals, even tylenol and advil are dense base substances and thus hinder the pineal rather than help it”
Again where are you getting the connection between acidity and hindering the pineal gland.
What I’m trying to get out of you is that either you share the information you’re withholding from me (please, share!)
Or you need to realize that these conclusions you are making are based off of nothing, and thus I don’t understand why you, or anyone else should/would believe them.
In all honesty I’m trying to alleviate you’re problem (or probably better, ‘quest’), not hurt it.
@tothemax92, Well.. I have been sleep deprived lately, so I kind of find myself acting like Im tripping. Ill get a thought and be like, whoa.. But I find that I have always been able to draw really trippy patterns and such wayyyy before I even knew that psychedelics existed. Its always fun to come up with a pattern that you made up yourself.. 5htp, I took some one day because my friend said it would help with something else. But I didnt feel any different. Honestly, I feel at my best when I have done nothing for about a week or two. Maybe just work on your imagination. That is what a trip seems to be anyways.. Or maybe the real world is imagination and a trip breaks down that barrier. Or probably they both are imagination. Who knows.. But I feel your pain man. Its hard to stop smoking.
Im with @ijesuschrist, though, Even water has different ph levels and unless its distilled or reverse osmosised or natural, its full of fluoride. So.. Yeah, just dont even analyze that situation. Your third eye was there way before the shrooms and whatever it does gets the same exterior vibrations regardless of anything. Do some exercises for it. Sometimes I just try to close my eyes and look around.
On the other hand, what about peoples energy gravitating toward you? I would very much enjoy that sort of thing..
@ryanj, you dont even need to do drugs to have hppd, some people were born with it, it basically means your pineal gland is starting to decalcify, the natural way to decalcify is through natural diet, meditation etc etc, and psychedelics stimulate it decalcifying it also. this means anything unnatural, from synthetic drugs to genitically modified food etc etc are going to do the oppisite. Its just logic that comes with intuition, my hppd is my heightened sense of intuition, and like i said i am not wishing to close it i simply wish to stimulate it and find what i need to give up weed and smokes etc
@ijesuschrist, i just want to lead a more natural life, ciggarettes tylenol, prozac, processed food, all is one to me.
Answer me this then forget my claims, what do you personally find helps, and what doesnt? thats all i wanted to hear i wasnt looking for i fight against my beleifs
@ryanj, oh and i learnt about compounds and their various metaphysical effects through personal exploration, it would be harder to find a drug i havent done than make a list of all that i have. We live in a more and more artificial reality each day, even fruits etc, how natural do you really know they are if you didnt grow it yourself, even then who knows whats in the earth after all of these years of increasing the “economy”