I have a question for you vegetarians.

First off, let me just summarize on my personal beliefs about this. Yes, people may have valid personal reasons for being vegetarian, but the cliche one I hate is the “I don’t want to eat animals because they have feelings.” or it goes something like that anyway. I hate it because I believe all life has a consciousness. Why are the animals so much more worthy than the plants? (You could make the same argument when people ask “why are you trying to save abused animals when there are starving people in the world?”).

Maybe vegetarians just have different beliefs than I do in regards to the value of all living things? I am curious. Vegetarians, why? I haven’t had the chance to ask this to many people, so I would love to hear all different perspectives!

July 8, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years ago ago

I’m becoming vegetarian in the near future because it’s way more god damn healthy. Also, animal products are not quite what they used to be 200 years ago. Mass production makes me sick. Anyone wanna go on a killing spree with me? Wipe out a few billion cancer cells?

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rebecca (92) (@beckable8p) 8 years ago ago

I think vegetarianism is hypocritical.
You wouldn’t yell at a lion for eating a deer.
We have the teeth.
Cest la vie

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TheKnottedPiper (116) (@theknottedpiper) 8 years ago ago

@danfontaine, I respectfully disagree. I don’t believe it’s “way more healthy”. Plus you have the option to buy local at the farmers market.

@backable8p, Oui, c’est la vie!

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TheKnottedPiper (116) (@theknottedpiper) 8 years ago ago

@danfontaine, Btw though thank you for the reply. It is appreciated!

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years ago ago

@theknottedpiper, I choose to eat plants over animals because I’m afraid of death, and I have to have some excuse to prolong my existence.

There was a great picture on here though that makes a valid point.

All animals are on this planet equally – animals are no more a belonging to humans than blacks are to whites, or women are to men.

Beyond that why I REALLY eat vegetarian (most of the time) is due to the corporate paradigm of our food system. It is backwards. We do not regard the food that we put in our bodies as part of our bodies, we do not realize that our entire body is made of the food we eat – we literally are what we eat. In that light, I would like to eat something that is more sustainable, more pure from chemicals, and more healthy. So I choose to eat “organic”, local, and things with less environmental impact, which is usually plants over animals. Animals, by realization of thermodynamics are less efficient than plants at producing the energy we need to survive. Therefore animals need more time, and space, to create the same amount of energy.

But, our food paradigm also promotes the commodification of animals… Which also I do not agree with. If you fully understand the death of an animal, and you empathize with it while it fucking dies, and then you eat it, go for it. But if you buy a piece of ground up burger from 100 different cows from a location that you could not possibly figure out, from a farmer who gets paid to little, and injects chemicals into the animal which he has no chemical knowledge of, I’d rather not take part in that.

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years ago ago

@theknottedpiper, It is though (with all due respect), the food pyramid is a bold-faced lie. Carbs at the bottom lol, we need none carbs. They are tantamount to slow release refined sugar. And meat, it is vital but cooked meat is not natural and is very hard to digest, draining you of vital energy, wasting your metabolism. And it is cancer causing; Same with dairy. Vegetables, fruits, nuts, and raw seafood are what fostered our evolution. We migrated along coasts. These are facts.

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years ago ago

@beckable8p, We have teeth but where are our claws? We are simply versatile and adaptable that’s all.

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Ramistotle (76) (@mcr513) 8 years ago ago

It’s a work in progress for me, so I’m going to give you some reasons why I’m trying:

1)I’m going to give you that answer you don’t like: animals, despite being “less-conscious” than humans, have at least some degree of inwardness unlike plants. You can look in an animal’s eyes and potentially observe what they’re feeling. I don’t think they like being eaten.

2) This one may seem like a stretch for a good reason, but I try to put myself in the animal’s situation. I don’t want a superior species to come and eat me, I’d much rather have them say something like “no, we don’t eat your kind.”

3) I feel much more healthy.

There is the argument against being vegetarian about ranks in food chains and nature and its cycles, which makes me question becoming vegetarian, but ultimately I still feel I should try to not eat meat and that it is an evolutionary step for a more compassionate humankind.

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TheKnottedPiper (116) (@theknottedpiper) 8 years ago ago

@danfontaine, Well everyone’s body is different. Of course the food pyramid is bullshit. Cooked meat is better than raw meat. It makes it easier to digest. That’s why we do that. We are naturally omnivores. The Sun emits radiation which is cancer causing in large amounts but that’s different isn’t it?

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TheKnottedPiper (116) (@theknottedpiper) 8 years ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Thanks for the reply. You have some interesting points. I try and buy local and organic whenever possible, but unfortunately I am not always able to do that due to my financial situation. I love animals too! I used to work at a veterinary clinic. Again, I do not value animals more than plants. We are all part of the Earth. Without plants, there would be no animals. That’s why I feel this way about vegetarianism.

I do like that the picture you mentioned recognizes that we are animals too :)

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years ago ago

@theknottedpiper, It makes it easier to eat yeah, but not easier to digest. And cooking disintegrates nutrients. It kills bacteria and other pathogens as well, which is good for US but only because we’ve become accustomed to it. We have weak immune systems because we don’t regularly inoculate ourselves to these things because we straight up avoid them. In another word, we are fools. Cooked meat is stored in our colon for quite a long time (up to over a week if I remember correctly) that’s how hard it is to digest.
Yes the sun as well as various forms of cosmic radiation can cause cancer but a healthy body always combats it.
<3

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years ago ago

@theknottedpiper, Oh and my body is not much different than yours. We have different tolerances through genetics is all. But we both benefit equally from optimal nutrition which I am outlining.

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Jeslyn (594) (@jeslyntweedie) 8 years ago ago

I like the weekday vegetarian diet. Mostly vegetarian, but allowed meat(locally raised is best) on the weekends, or 2 days a week. Because meat did play a role in our evolution, as we are adaptable, but it does not belong in every meal. We did not have claws but there is strong evidence now to support that we hunted meat by running…or outrunning them I should say until the animal overheated.

Eating more raw, organic fruits and vegetables is good for mental clarity. Cooking them too is very beneficial as cooking fulfills the same delightful accomplishment to us as bringing down an animal, or gathering in a field once did. Associating that kind of feeling with the food we eat, associating any feeling or productive thought at all instead of mindlessly eating things we don’t know the content of; is very good for health and well-being.

I cook everything I eat, and stay away from highly processed foods. It is hard to buy completely organic or local as it is more expensive, but you can try to do your best.

And I look at it this way, like@ijesuschrist, said you are what you eat. Budgeting extra money for the things you put into your body, your body which is here to facilitate your experience on Earth, well I would say that’s a pretty important thing to budget for.

I think too many people make monetary compromises when it comes to food, but it is so so important to living your very own one life (the one you’re aware of for you reincarnate believers) here on Earth.

35 days of eating as organically as you can, with a focus on nuts, fruits, and vegetables. 35 days; a very short-term commitment but you will ABSOLUTELY feel the difference in all aspects of your life at the end of it.

And might also awaken some to the very addict like behaviors many in today’s society have toward food.

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Vikram (12) (@vikram7684) 8 years ago ago

Just like we have hormones so do the animals…ever wondered how would you feel if you knew that you are just about to die.Animals also feel like that and the hormones which get released in their bodies when they are frightened in the hands of a butcher or inside a machine which is going to tear them to pieces are not the happy hormones but of stress and anxiety of the highest level and such hormones remain in their body even after they are cooked and when you eat them you take those hormones in your body..this is the reason why people say that…”I don’t know why am i feeling sad today”..it was because the chicken that you ate was also sad for being kept in a cage or he panicked feeling the knife on his neck…
Apart from this we are not animals therefore we need be aware of our state of mind.

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years ago ago
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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years ago ago

@vikram7684, Native Americans showed utter respect for their animal victims. This was only natural to them based on their wisdom.

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oniverse (413) (@jneggleston) 8 years ago ago

@beckable8p, “You wouldn’t yell at a lion for eating a deer” … right. But humans, on the other hand, can thrive without meat. It isn’t necessary for our survival.

@theknottedpiper, My vegetarianism is a work in progress, but I’m doing it because
1) Another animal’s direct suffering isn’t needed for my survival
2) I’m sure eating over processed meat isn’t beneficial to my health

Would you care to explain why you don’t think vegetarianism is “way more healthy”?

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Anonymous (194) (@) 8 years ago ago

@vikram7684, that’s interesting, I’m curious to see if there’s anything scientifically to back it up.

But as for “Apart from this we are not animals therefore we need be aware of our state of mind.” We’re all animals… some animals eat other animals.

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Vikram (12) (@vikram7684) 8 years ago ago

@smalls, But as for “Apart from this we are not animals therefore we need be aware of our state of mind.” We’re all animals… some animals eat other animals
I agree with you on this point and indeed we are all a part of animal kingdom as far as our bodies are concerned.

Ask yourself this question why are we called a “Human Being’s” and not “Human Doing’s”???????

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Damion (8) (@noimadsuperlove) 8 years ago ago

I think our scientist’s need to whip us up a batch of some taste controlled – expandable – designable – nutrient adjustable – pills and bars… with all the essential amino acids =)

That would be a pretty sweet treat for all of us!

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Colton (26) (@emecom) 8 years ago ago

The reason I do it is because we don’t need to eat meat to live a healthy life. In this day and age we can drive or walk to our local supermarket and get any food we want so why should I pick meat knowing that at least some misery was involved in the cultivation of it, when I can just get some fruits and vegetables and still remain healthy.

That I am aware of, there is no scientific evidence that plants feel pain when they are cultivated for our consumption whereas there is proof that animals feel pain. So it doesn’t bother me to be eating plants over animals.

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Damion (8) (@noimadsuperlove) 8 years ago ago

You could get even order the party kind… which fill you up and trip you out! Party on dudes… much love and goodnight!

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Jeslyn (594) (@jeslyntweedie) 8 years ago ago

In vitro meat…meat that was never part of a living animal; but man, this is just weird! Haha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years ago ago

@jeslyntweedie, fucking ultra gross.

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thehollowman (14) (@timeisoutofjoint) 8 years ago ago

@theknottedpiper, You believe that every form of life is equal and still you eat plants and animals. So you would eat a man if it was not a crime? (i’m a vegetarian for over two years.)

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