This discussion is from Reddit. I thought it was an interesting discussion and wanted to share it here.
I think people should stop breeding for a little while, until most of the kids in the world are taken care of.
We are raised in a selfish society that says that it is just what people do, have kids. Start a family. Etc.
1- No one says the human race has to go on. We are killing off species everyday.
2- It’s fine & dandy to continue the human race, but we have too many kids. These are ALL OUR kids. Why have more? We are ALL related to one another– all brothers and sisters even by DNA. That’s the same concept as cooking dinner and not eating it, but then cooking a second dinner to eat, letting the first one go to waste. Why do it? Sorry for my analogy but I can’t think of a better one.
3- I think we should take time off from breeding until people are thriving better than they are now. We are digging ourselves in a major hole that our future generation will see the same effects of. Instead of paying $3000 to charities for needy people and then having your own kids which you’ll end up spending even more $$ on, invest ALL your money in other people, including yourself.
4- It is typically selfish to want kids. We have kids for ourselves. We yearn for family, a companion, the picturesque family, the charm of a child, the “baby”, etc. People want, want, want, babies, naturally. For self-gratification. We are selfish. We say we are “selfless” because we sacrifice so much, but you don’t even realize that you did this because YOU wanted a child. You did NOT haev to have a child. Having a child is a choice, unless you were raped, and in that case you are an exception. If we can’t tend to the people we have now, why add MORE people into this world?
I understand that kids are the future people that’ll take care of us. But hear me out…. there are kids right now dying, for example, from hunger, from famine, from DIRTY WATER, etc. You may be living in a nice house and want a nice home for a family while there are people starving. You are greedy. And i’m sorry but this is the truth. We are ALL selfish and greedy. I am one of the few that can admit this.
I purposely never had children because I have invested my entire life helping adults and children– people of all ages– with finances. I figure, why add more people to the world when we can’t even take care of the ones we have?!
I understand that one person born today may be the curer of cancer, but these are hypotheticals. And guess what, that person dying of not having clean water today? They may have been the curer of cancer as well! So pls no hypotheticals, because it’s a vicious cycle.
I do support having children if people were more taken care of. But since we are not, we are just adding more people to the mix. Let’s clean this place up, take a short break from breeding, and then go back to breeding.
It’d be great to see the human race go on– even though it doesn’t have to– but let’s clean it up first. Let’s not be having kids because you “want” a baby. No, take “want” out of the equation and then ask yourself why you’re having a child. No one has a child unless they’re raped or “want” a child (or accident).
So many people who cannot have kids act like it’s the end of the world. They invest all this $$ into having a child by invitro (some of em) and they don’t even realize, they could haev invested ALL THAT $$ into a child who already exists… like I said we are all brothers and sisters.. Let’s take care of our siblings before we start having more. That’s like the same thing as a mother having a child and the mother and father have zero money, but then having a second child anyway. You think you’d stop at the first one. (Sorry, rape is an exception as well as others.) But why keep having kids when we can’t afford the humanity helping of others esp kids today? I don’t support all these kids being born BUT I do want to help them– because they’re already alive. Once they’re alive, I want to help. But please, if you don’t have any kids, think before you have them. Spend all your $$ on kids in need, the ones that already exist.
You may be saying, “Well I do donate to kids in need… also I pay taxes.” It’s not enough people. We should not even be breeding more people until this is fixed. Stop being so selfish. You spend more money on your own child than on someone else’s right? So, stop having kids and fix the ones that need us now.
maybe we can fix the selfish gene that we all inherited and cause some epigenetic effect…
I think people should stop believing in the supernatural. I think it’s selfish.
We are raised in a supernatural believing society that says to do just that.
But eh.. what can we do. Tell them it’s dangerous and detrimental to everyone and not just to them? As if they’d believe. You can try, I can try, lot of people have tried, are trying and will try.
If you could just reason with everyone, we wouldn’t have unreasonable people.
But unreasonable people do not understand that they are unreasonable. And it is impossible to prove to them that they are unreasonable. Only way to teach unreasonable people how unreasonable they are is to forcefully drag them from the shallow end of the pool to the deep end so that they can learn first hand that they cannot swim even if they think they can.
But thats unethical, that is making decisions on behalf of other people. Even if they would thank you for it in the end, it is still unethical.
Anyway, do you have some calculations we can look at? You’re saying we have too many kids. On what criteria? What’s going to happen if we have less kids?
Also how will you solve the problem of people who won’t agree to stop having kids? Ultimately, anyone who agrees to stop getting their own children and adopt other peoples children will be adopting the children of the people who won’t agree to stop having kids.
Force people to stop having kids? How?
Ultimately, when people see other people not stopping they’ll figure out that they can do the same until we are at the same situation as now:
You’re not gonna have children and others are.
If you’re okay with unethical it will give you some more effective methods, but even if you save the world you’ll still be the villain to some, most or all people.
I understand you’re viewpoint, and I can agree. Yet I think there are other dimensions too, we need painful and bad experience too. What if we choose as soul to be here? And choose painful existence? What if, as the purpose is not having it good but experience? Sometimes ago I saw a little bird catching a big mosquito, he holded the mosquito between his legs, and pulled out the legs and wings . Then he swallowed it. Alice Mortley says in christ in you, that our collective energy creates the seizons and the weather. It ringed a alarmbell in me. What if a little bird wil change his behaviour and become a vegetarian?. I guess life works on a complete other level as we think it does. What if everything was good? At this moment? What if we try to stop saying, things are no good?. I understand you and I wish all well. But there might be a chance it already is.
Great topic Jon! This is exactly what I have been thinking and discussing with my friend a few weeks ago.
I also think (based on my recent conversation with a man that I respect in general) that people “want” to have kids, because “they want to have something own”. Like you “own” your kids.. all kids of this world are “our kids”. But as heysteve said, you can’t reason with unreasonable people. So they will continue to do this. But we, the reasonable (“enlightened”) ones, can spread this word to others like us and at least make some start of a progress this way. I think this is the aim of your post and I love it.
To clarify more about why people want to “own” things, one might read countless materials on the web. I recommend also reading some of Marx’ work as he explains private property and its destructive effects on the people.
These are some great points that I agree with, but I don’t think a lot of people are going to agree that having children is selfish. In my experience, some people have called me selfish for saying that I would rather adopt a child than to have one of my own. As you pointed out, there are already enough children currently in need of a better situation, so I would rather attempt to fix a situation that someone else couldn’t handle instead of bringing yet another child into the world. As with having pets, it makes more sense to me to adopt homeless animals who are already in need rather than to go get one from a breeder. Whether people realize it or not, I think the desire to have their own children stems from narcissism. They have the desire to create a miniature version of themselves in order to pass along their own genes to future generations.
I love to see parents who are responsible and actively involved in raising their children, but I am also a little creeped out by parents who seem to worship their children and post 20+ new photos of them each day on facebook. Maybe that just goes back to narcissism and people’s tendency to flaunt what they have. I wish more people would question their true motives for having children instead of mindlessly following the script that says you get married, have babies, and raise a family. What about questioning our role as individuals to help the less fortunate within our communities instead of focusing on our personal desires?
1. The main focal point of existence is furthering your own. This means a couple of things but procreation is the main one. It’s survival.
2. We’re not all family. Especially not by dna. Most people only have One brother or sister. Not even full blood a lot of the time.
3. Having kids is not worse for the world tha not having them. If you never have kids, you hace burdened this world (the environment etc) without giving ANYTHING back. That’s a much worse offence.
Investing in poverty is also completely bonkers.
4. It’s not selfish. It’s human. Natural. Real. We are life forms and life forms prioritize survival. It’s the basis of existence. NONE of the things society tell us are selfish are ACTUALLY selfish. Society’s errors and struggles are NOT nature’s fault. Idealists suffer because they can’t accept reality and expect it to change.
You are OBJECTIVELY wrong. Literally.
5. You think breeding less will help humanity in the future? Not a fucking chance. If the smart, able, civilised, compassionate, beautiful and generous people have fewer kids… the result is a humanity that is dumber, weaker, opportunistic, vile and selfish.
If you want better humanity, envourage the people with good traits and nurturing capabilities to BREED MORE so we become a majority rather than an ever shrinking minority.
First of all, please don’t post things as you are the only one here that knows the truth. You have your opinion and that’s it. This is a place for creative discussion, not a place where you lecture us. Thanks for reading this.
Second – if you read a little bit, you will learn than genes are not the key factor that decides if the child will be “awaken” or not. History shows, that some awful in intellectual and self-development sphere parents have given birth to some of the brightest minds that were on this world; some of the smartest people on this planet have given birth to ordinary, “sleeping” people.
I am really sad to read what you wrote in point 2. In fact I was about to write a post about how we are all one. But on the other hand, it is good to have you here, because you will help us understand how the “sleeping” people think.
Wish you a great day, although I expect an angry response from you (-: .
1. You’re accusing me of lecturing. Thats a prime example of psychological displacement. An unconscious defence mechanism of the ego. It’s also ad hominem. You’re not one who should call someone sleeping or awake.
2. Genes determine the potential of awakening. Other factors only affect how much of that potential is active.
Also that whole point of yours contradicts your argument for donating to “less fortunate”. Because those people aren’t worse off, unless you navelgaze through an ideological and materialistic lens.
3. The concept of all being one is figurative and ethereal. It doesn’t imply anything practical. Acting like oneness is some kind of ultimate truth is just fanatic ignorance. Wake up before you start calling others sleepers. Wannabe bigot, just jerking off your ego.
You’re the only one here expressing anger. The rest of us are discussing. That’s what this forum is about. If you don’t like that, please go write in your diary instead and never go to a discussion forum again.
That being said… I’m glad and grateful that you won’t reproduce.
Peace and love //Elion
>>Wannabe bigot, just jerking off your ego.
>>You’re the only one here expressing anger
>>please go write in your diary instead and never go to a discussion forum again.
>>That being said… I’m glad and grateful that you won’t reproduce.
Ah.. I was wrong. I was expecting too much.
Good laugh emillion, I like your perspective.
You gotta be kidding me, I’m definitely gonna have kids with a smart woman, why? because i value my genes, i value my parents, i value my dad, i value my cousins (his IQ is 183, high ranked military personal) and when i was in the 6th grade, they took me for a test and told me i was smart as a 12th grader, If i have about three beer and three hits of marijuana, i can easily rap for prolonged periods of time, and turn ordinary conversation into a rap, I don’t spend my money on this, instead i let it happen when it does, same effect more intense and i remember it more clearly, Don’t confuse this with me actually smoking and drinking, I quit, and it’s gonna be absolutely zero, even if offered.
Another thing is my hearing, when i was a kid growing up, i could hear everything going on in my house, conversations, and so on, for example, i would hear my parents talking, and just assert my self into the conversation if i had something to add to it, they would be very shocked, surprised, and excited that i could hear that good.
I could go on all day for reasons i want a kid.
Is it selfish? No, life is a great gift.
Confidence is key to being a great leader, I have a lot of that.
Think of alexander the great, convince anybody they can do anything, and you have a recipe for being a great leader.
I also have excess energy, as a kid, my feet was so restless that i had to run back and forth until i exhausted myself.
I still have that feeling once in a while, Doesn’t matter if i’m high or not.
I impact the enviroment very little, 50$ x2 weeks, for food, supplies, etc,
I’m one of the reasons that people can drive their sports cars around and do 20x or more the enviromental damage i do, compared to other people for example, so the world needs more people like me.
That’s helpful knowledge to pass on, i can easily raise my kids like that and it’ll still be a balanced diet.
___________To ST emillion______
Lmao, fuuuuck, that was a good laugh.
>>please don’t post things as you are the only one here that knows the truth.
Anyone who agrees with someone just because the someone comes off as the underappreciated second coming of the christ, probably aren’t the target demographic of a website on a mission to provide a medium for freethinking individuals.
And if you want to protect others from being subjected to this kind of approach you’re actually the one against freethought.
And you’re saying things like “if you read a little”, now who here is putting theirselves on pedestals?
>>it is good to have you here, because you will help us understand how the “sleeping” people think.
Yes, it is good to have him here. But not for the same reasons as why it is good to have you here. If he responds, but not angrily to your angrily written provoking post, he proves my point. If angry then at least we got you both here.
People should be passionate and unapologetic about what they think is right, even if it is wrong. If not the reality, then some person will eventually come crashing their party down. If they are passionate about being right, then upon discovering being wrong they will start making changes.
What you want is to use shaming tactics instead of tackling the issues head on. Is that who you want to be for the rest of your life? Because that is what you are doing right now.
s your problem<span style="color: rgb(84, 84, 84); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 18.2000007629395px;">? I only stated some facts, nothing personal at all, and in fact, I never said anything close to what you are making it out to be, protect whom from what</span><span style="color: rgb(84, 84, 84); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 18.2000007629395px;">?<br>Your telling me your emotions that you dont need to tell me, and your also reflecting yourself onto me.
I do me, and you do you, okay? why did you even reply to my comment?
picking apart conversations and turning them into arguments or turning things around and making false statements.
you are essentially disorganizing the information on this thread, when you don
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I don’t understand this perspective: “If you never have kids, you hace burdened this world (the environment etc) without giving ANYTHING back.” ANYTHING? So if someone offers their kindness and support to others who are having a difficult time, adopts stray animals, volunteers their time to various organizations, and tries to help others reach their goals, they still haven’t offered anything to this world? Does that mean that some of the greatest inventors didn’t offer anything to humanity if they didn’t have children? I think of humans as much more than just baby-making machines. Sometimes someone’s mission and purpose in life might be so huge for the advancement of humanity that having to raise a family could hinder them from fully offering their gift to the world. Couldn’t our talents and gifts be considered contributions? What you’re saying is that people who never have children (whether they chose not to have any or couldn’t have any) but sought ways to make this planet a better place, they are all still a burden? I think it’s more of a burden when parents have multiple children and expect another family member, like an elderly grandparent, to raise the kids for them.
Some people choose to have children, and that’s ok, but not everyone has to follow the same path. I’d say it is much more preferable to ask ourselves how we can best contribute to society as an individual instead of assuming that there is a correct path for everyone.
Every life is taxing on the planet. A life without the natural mammalian duties is 60+ years of eating, breathing and pollution, for naught.
Helping people with their personal goals or supporting an organisation doesn’t do anything for the world. Only for society. The planet doesn’t give a fuck about our petty inventions. We are just part of a process. Evolution. Society has no value to the earth. In fact, it’s done more damage to the world (and to humanity) than anything else.
Humans cannot make the world better. Only worse. The world was always perfect. You just don’t understand and appreciate it because you’re a bloated idealist. You’re also extremely materialistic, which is not a sustainable mibdset.
Society owes nature, not the other way around.
If you want people to make unnecessary sacrifices for the world or for society, you could at least suggest something efficient and viable. Such as mass suicide or massacres. And lead by example.
It’s very unnecessary to take lives or deny lives. Especially in favour of petty ideals. Check your ego mate. It’s running wild.
Check my ego? Perhaps I’m not the only one here who should be doing the same. Calling someone a “bloated idealist” appears more ego driven than my response. I merely wanted to understand your perspective better without insulting you as a person. Egos are quite fragile, though, so it’s understandable why we all sometimes feel the need to belittle and judge each other during a disagreement or debate. As heysteve put it, sometimes people use “shaming tactics instead of tackling the issues head on.” Although I don’t agree with the delivery of it, thanks for offering your perspective.
Delivery doesn’t matter to someone who actually cares about the subject.
A gold plated turd is no better than a plain one. A dirty gem is no worse than a clean one?
Did I offend you? That was not my intention. Do you feel shamed? If so WHY?
The lack of sugar coating on my words doesn’t mean I’m aggressive. My dry wit is no shaming tactic. But if it does induce shame in someone… that says a bit about them.
Now can you drop the personal stuff and get back to the topic?
bloated idealist could be said to mean idealist who is excessive in his idealism. Also I don’t think theres anything wrong with ego driven or revenge driven or whatever driven if it gets the job done while staying on topic. If it doesn’t stay on topic, the problem is that it’s not staying on topic.
What St Emililion is using is not shaming tactics, but bloated answers. This is what he seems to be saying once you cut out the fat
::only baby making counts because the planet doesn’t give a fuck, therefore fuck needy children. They’re better off suffering anyway, trust me on this. You just don’t understand.
Bloated answers is a tactic that makes challenging difficult, but it might be unintentional. Some people need to talk a lot just to say only a few words.
“Check you ego” could be considered to be part of the explanation for why he thinks you should kill yourself to make the world a better place. Important is not that it might not be, but that it might be.
If you want him to give you answers, it’s going to be difficult because he is playing a different game than you are. You need to argue the points he is making. If you really want to know something, it takes effort. Is it worth it? You won’t know until you know it. So, either never give up or you are wasting your time to begin with.
I disagree with a lot he’s saying, but I don’t think it’s worth my time to engage him. In my experience, this type will ignore everything but a one question per response and will give you about 10 words per 1 word that has meaning. You need to press 1 question at a time until you push him into a corner and then he might flee. And this one has “underdog messiah” complex, meaning it’s unlikely that he’s capable acknowledging that he’s wrong, so he’s gonna flee once cornered.
But If you’ll give it a go, you will gain experience dealing with difficult people and you might learn that you are wrong. It’s not a bad deal if it’s something you’d be interested in. Also you can now call him a bloated treehugger and because it might not be ad hominem, it’s not.
Wow you’re really trying to put words in my mouth. Either that or you’re grossly overreacting and misreading. I didn’t say anyone should suffer. I didn’t ask anyone to off theirselves.
I have no tactic. The mass of my words has the purpose of explaining thoroughly because I’m speaking to offer insight, not to propagate beliefs.
But yeah thanks for the masterly diagnosis, Dr. Fraud.
You don’t know what type I am. Just tryig to slander me and come up with excuses to ignore the points I’m making. You’re just shutting people out and making yourself dumber.
You cannot corner me. I do not flee anything ever, and if someone is cornered that would be impossible. I acknowledge when I’m wrong, that’s why people see my wisdom.
Call me what you will, it makes no difference. Use whatever tactics you like, it doesn’t change reality.
Trying to win arguments, like you do, is just pathetic. Seek reality. Love it. Live it.
I’m trying to help you, mate. Abate the hate. Release the peace. Sorry for the glory.
>>Wow you’re really trying to put words in my mouth.
This is what I suggested that you’re trying to say
>>only baby making counts because the planet doesn’t give a fuck, therefore fuck needy children. They’re better off suffering anyway, trust me on this. You just don’t understand.
Based on the following things you’ve said:
>>The main focal point of existence is furthering your own.
>>A life without the natural mammalian duties is 60+ years of eating, breathing and pollution, for naught.
>>Helping people with their personal goals or supporting an organisation doesn’t do anything for the world.
>>The planet doesn’t give a fuck
>>You just don’t understand
>>Humans cannot make the world better.
>>Investing in poverty is also completely bonkers.
>>Also that whole point of yours contradicts your argument for donating to “less fortunate”. Because those people aren’t worse off, unless you navelgaze through an ideological and materialistic lens.
>>I didn’t ask anyone to off theirselves.
But you did when you responded to EtherealSoul
>>If you want people to make unnecessary sacrifices for the world or for society, you could at least suggest something efficient and viable. Such as mass suicide or massacres. And lead by example.
>>Trying to win arguments, like you do, is just pathetic.
That’s odd coming from a person who said:
>>Delivery doesn’t matter to someone who actually cares about the subject.
I’ll offer you wisdom shared by a man who calls himself one of the ever shrinking minority of people with good traits and nurturing capabilities.
>>A gold plated turd is no better than a plain one. A dirty gem is no worse than a clean one?
>>Did I offend you? That was not my intention.
>>The lack of sugar coating on my words doesn’t mean I’m aggressive.
>>Now can you drop the personal stuff and get back to the topic?
>>You cannot corner me. I do not flee anything ever
>>I acknowledge when I’m wrong, that’s why people see my wisdom.
I’m not gonna count characters because I have a life, but you made four entire posts in a row with nothing but poor and inaccurate ad hominem nonsense.
Way to go buddy.
Suggesting more pragmatic things to say bears no semblance of telling someone to snuff it. Unless your reading comprehension is severly underdeveloped.
If you don’t understand how people ponder and discuss different ideas, without necessarily commanding others or sharing personal opinions, then you have no place in a discussion forum.
Stop being a pleb.
>>I’m not gonna count characters because I have a life, but you made four entire posts in a row with nothing but poor and inaccurate ad hominem nonsense.
This is amazing. Oh wow. You are an artist!
Can’t remember having seen anyone throw out an ad hominem attack while simultaneously calling out being attacked with ad hominem, but because it’s false it becomes a double ad hominem attack. And in the same sentence you call quotations of you inaccurate, this just takes it to another level. This is going to the top 10 for sure :)
>>Suggesting more pragmatic things to say bears no semblance of telling someone to snuff it.
In a reply to EtherealSoul you said
::If you [EtherealSoul] want people to make unnecessary sacrifices for the world or for society, you [EtherealSoul] could at least suggest something efficient and viable. Such as mass suicide or massacres. And (you [EtherealSoul]) lead by example.
I know quoting what you said is an inaccurate ad hominem against you, but you are being really funny, like a comedian!
>>If you don’t understand how people ponder and discuss different ideas, without necessarily commanding others or sharing personal opinions, then you have no place in a discussion forum.
So you’re a “I support free speech, except when I don’t like what is being said”-person. Don’t worry, majority of people are just like you!
Oh well, I called it. You’re incapable of understand when you are wrong and then you run. And it was you who approached me. If you change your mind, I have some questions for you.
Using suppressiom tactics to win arguments is laughable. Using them poorly like you do is just tragic.
Nobody buys those intentional misinterpretations.
I am for all freedom of speech. Bad ideas like yours get slammed down by rational people. No censorship needed.
And if people do embrace a bad idea, natural selection takes place. No need for censorship.
This is a wonderful example of how not telling the truth leads to a distorted perspective of reality and irrational thinking and foolish argument. Living things, including people, reproduce. It is what it is…you can’t “fix” reality by denial of what is real. Your so-called “selfish” gene is the survival instinct and it doesn’t need fixing.
Well here is my opinion about reproduction – it is an absolutely selfless act that many human beings have turned into selfishness. Many people do have children for selfish reasons, I will not argue with that. Having a child makes you feel completely needed and you also gain so much attention. But that is not what reproduction is about. Eventually the child grows, becomes self-sufficient, and creates a new journey of its own that the parents have no control over. That’s why some parents are so strict and controlling, because they are too self-centered to be good parents. So many parents try to live out their dreams through their children because they didn’t have the chance themselves. I agree that so many parents decide to become parents for completely selfish reasons. But reproduction is selfless. As soon as a woman becomes pregnant, she must put her child’s life before her own.
I don’t have much to comment on the premise of this conversation. I can completely understand with both sides of the argument. And personally I still plan to have children someday (even if I sometimes think that my justifications for doing so, are just that… justifications).
But I do want to add something… Can we all stop insulting each other. I am very libertarian, and I would never condemn someone for condemning someone else (which apparently we are also condemning on this thread).
But if we are calling each other names I think that the entire website becomes a bit more toxic, and ultimately less helpful for ALL of our personal evolution. Even if I don’t disagree with the the idea of condemnation (I tend to think that even the most racist bigots have a right to free speech), I just don’t think it’s all that helpful for anyone involved in THIS medium/website (I mean really…).
Or as I’m sure this post will be interpreted by some of you: “I’m a condescending prick who is getting tired of all the assholes on this thread.” :p
Best wishes to you.
Hello self proclaimed condescending prick.
What you seemed to say is
“I support free speech, but”
You didn’t say this, but think about it
“I’m not a racist, but”
Free anything does not support exceptions by definition. It is on or off.
You have few choices to get what you want. Lobby admins for sensorship or find/create a discussion forum where sensorship is in. Or you can stop implying “but” and lead by example.
Why don’t you go to a third world cesspool and tell uneducated people who haven’t two pennies to rub together to stop having kids? You want my wife who is a highly productive and compassionate member of the international community to take a pass on having kids? You’re talking about kids who aren’t being taken care of but you’re doing it to the wrong people. The selfish people I see having kids are 17 year old nitwits who haven’t the sense to use condoms and never bothered to pay attention in school. Or the dirt poor, uneducated, unskilled people who are having their third, fourth and fifth. Please direct your attention where it is required.
I believe what this person is saying is that if people want kids so much, why not give that love to a kid that already exists? Why are people unwilling to question their idea that there is a huge difference between children of your own and children from another mother. Maybe we should learn to expand our love and not be selfish about it.
And about teenagers having kids, I know a few of them and they take good care of their kids. Some of them had access to the information but didn’t know there were things they ignored about sex.
Oh and I live in a third world country, please don’t believe so much in those stereotypes.
This might seem bland compared to some others answers on here but I simply think you could never get man to not want to have unprotected intercourse with woman (which also may be selfish further proving your point). Over all the other flaws I saw in this theory I thought this wad the most insightful to share. But I would also like to say another flaw is that breeding has a “prime time” and adults wouldn’t want to raise children when they are 70.