If Punk Rock is Dead, Then I Guess I'm a Necrophiliac…

Jay (@punker96) 8 years, 11 months ago

Hey everybody,

I spent today listening to music for a straight 5 hours and it got me thinking…

How many people listen to punk rock nowadays? How many people here on HE, for that matter, listen to punk rock? And when I say listen, I don’t only mean casually, I mean still on a regular basis. And before I get started, I’m not one of those obnoxious punk rockers who feels the need to weed out the “true” believers from the “posers” by vomiting my knowledge of what “real punk rock” is all up in your face. No dick-sizing here! Besides, music is music and everybody is free to enjoy what gets them excited.

That being said, I grew up with a long dossier of punk bands to listen to thanks to my brothers who introduced me to the genre when I was young. It always has been, and will continue to be, one of the most important things in my life. I find a lot of the themes in punk music to be very positive, uplifting and in favor of positive change for our future. This is probably the main reason I am so drawn to it.

Somewhere in my train of thought, I started wondering how many people out there feel the same way. I’m sure there are many still, but I can’t help but feel a change in it’s popularity today. Obviously, punk moved in to a more mainstream light in the 90’s and early 2000’s and many were turned on to the genre, but I also feel as though most who used to enjoy it at one point moved on to other genres of music and left it behind. People’s tastes change, I get that. I am a musician myself and I always keep an open mind. I definitely get expanding your horizons. I listen to music regardless of genre, but I have to say, nothing hits the spot quite like punk rock. I don’t think I could ever leave it at the bottom of CD collection in favor of something else.

I wonder how many people still get energized listening to punk rock. I go to local punk shows in my city when I can and I am aware that there is still a following of people who support it (nothing quite matches the feeling of stepping in to the pit in a crowded room). You do see a lot of older guys at the shows though, so I sometimes wonder about the younger generations. I mean, I’m still young. I’m only 21 myself. Anybody here on HE, say, under 18 who has a passion for punk? I’d be curious to know.

Not to be the kind of guy who name drops, but I am genuinely curious if anybody here listens to similar stuff. Here’s some of my favorites:

Bad Religion, Pennywise, The Descendents, Millencolin, Rise Against, NoFX, Lagwagon, Good Riddance, Authority Zero, Goldfinger, Black Flag, Flogging Molly, Refused, Less Than Jake, Bouncing Souls, Dead Kennedys, Rancid, Face to Face, Strung Out, Fugazi, Fucked Up, The Mad Caddies, Social Distortion, Minor Threat, No Use For a Name, Operation Ivy, blink-182, The Ataris, Gob, Chixdiggit!, Screeching Weasel, 88 Fingers Louie, Dropkick Murphys, U.S. Bombs, No Fun At All, Anti-Flag, Me First and the Gimme Gimmes…. (have to force myself to stop there!)

So, thoughts? Does punk have a place in your life? What did you grow up with? Any memories from shows you’ve been to in the past? Maybe you’re not a punk, that’s cool too. What do you like listening to and why?

July 29, 2013 at 2:04 am
Anonymous (134) (@) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@punker96, dude, I love dick-sizing. and punk rock. But don’t tell anyone k hahaha.
“Not to be the guy that name drops, but…” *follows with a whole paragraph* HAHAHA

Punk Rock was like my gateway genre… Green Day was my first ‘real’ band that i listened to religiously. You know when you listen to a CD so much you know the track order and it all merges into one song? that was my American Idiot epitomised <3 I still liked their new stuff too. I liked 21st Century Breakdown even if no one else did.

I fucking love Rise Against. I have so much solid respect for those guys. The themes and ideas behind their songs are so raw and 'make something of yourself' kinda stuff and i just really appreciate it… It's like turning angry into a driving force behind you to better the world and what we're going through? IDK, i dont even have words. I just fucking love Rise Against.

Less Than Jake are pretty rad too.. I was meant to go to their concert but i was throwing up on the night so my friend came home with their signatures for me hahaha best friend ever.
I have so much more i could say. Sorry im so tired and illiterate right now. Just know that i feel your punk love hahaha. It's not like i dont listen to other genres too… I'll just always revert back to alt rock/punk when i'm listening by myself. Time and a place for each genre in my heart, y'know? Bon Iver can still be my sad mopey music. But Rise Against will always be my dooooooooont you rememberrrrrr when you were young and you wanted to set the world on fireeeeee

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Hachi1 (21) (@SFHardy) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@punker96
Well I’m under 18 and I have a really distinct music taste. For some strange reason I never really liked any music for a long time. Then around a year and a half ago I suddenly got into music, and now I pretty much constantly listen to music.

It all started when I watched a Documentary on Freddie Mercury on TV. I didn’t feel anything towards most of the songs I heard during that TV show, but I absolutely loved Bohemian Rhapsody. That became the first ever song I downloaded and the start of my music addiction. Naturally, I went to wikipedia, and found out what the genre was: “Progressive Rock”. And so, my music life began.

A couple of months later I was into a whole range of music – Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Genesis etc (All prog rock). I liked all of them, especially Genesis. To this day, Genesis is in my top three favourite bands of all time. Their earlier music, back when they had Peter Gabriel doing lead vocals and Steve Hackett on the guitar everything they produced was a master piece. Even though you listen to Punk I suggest you search the album “Selling England By The Pound”, it’s amazing xD

I’m not sure what the trigger was, but at one stage I found a band of a similar genre: A “Progressive Metal” band, System Of A Down. This is when I found the second genre I was born for: Metal. After realising how incredible the instrumental aspect of metal was I started looking for other metal bands, stretching into the realms of metal-core and death metal, but also the other edge – stuff like symphonic metal. I’ve now got a huge collection of music, basically prog rock or metal.

Most of my music is pre-2000, especially the prog-rock which is all 50s~90s. If you think punk is dead, prog rock pretty much died when punk became a big thing in the 80s XD

So, your actual questions:
I’ve never even touched punk hahah.
I’m still growing up, but anyway, I was surrounded in mainstream pop music, but I never liked it.
I’ve never been to any concerts :( I’d love to go to SOAD concert or Rammstein concert the most.

So the final question: Why do I enjoy prog rock/metal. To be honest, I have no idea. I’m an extremely relaxed, easy going person, so metal doesn’t fit my persona whatsoever. perhaps it’s a subconscious way for me to let out my emotions – but as far as I know I never feel like I’m holding anything in. I guess I just like it.

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Jay (52) (@punker96) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@francina, Perhaps we shall start a dick sizing thread next then, haha. Green Day was a big part of my life when I was first getting in to punk rock. I definitely remember when American Idiot came out. I was in eighth grade, around the same time blink-182 released their self titled album. I remember loving American Idiot. The music video for that track with all the green juice coming out of the amps in slow motion. I remember seeing that when I was 13 and thinking that was so fucking cool.

And then shortly afterwards people started hating Green Day, haha. I never fully understood that to be honest. I always thought it was a solid album too, so I couldn’t relate to why so many people started jumping on the hating Green Day bandwagon. Sure, there started getting a lot of radio airplay with that album, but I mean they were already pretty mainstream before that came out. Maybe it was the fact that they started getting political, but come on, a lot of punk rock is VERY political! I don’t know, people are strange. Green Day sucks, but apparently Lady Gaga is alright with her mediocre pop music and outfits that look like a 5 year old insisted on dressing herself for school in the morning. Backwards pants, a cardigan and a football helmet, let’s do this! (Sorry for the rant. I can’t stand her. However, I will give her props for being an incredibly talented jazz singer. Most people don’t know that about her! Google it. Interesting.)

Rise Against. Yup, next to Bad Religion, my favorite band. Have been listening since the early days and could never turn my back on them. Tim’s voice is absolutely incredible, and in my opinion, he has one of the best voices in music today. It is so incredibly versatile. He can go from gravelly hardcore to silky smooth and sings with more passion than anyone I can think of off the top of my head (perhaps GG Allin, haha). The themes in Rise Against are always so deep, I love that. If you ever have a chance to see them play a show, do it! It’s one of those bands that stay true to their roots and they are so passionate that I can completely understand why so many people are turned on to them. You go to a Rise Against show nowadays, they’re playing punk rock and somehow they are selling out arenas. Seeing all of those fists in the air gives me hope that punk rock still has a place in the future. Fuck yes Rise Against!

And don’t get me started on Less Than Jake! Those guys were one of the first bands I got in to as a kid. My Hello Rockview and Borders and Boundaries albums are so worn out. Seen them play a couple of times now. You know, they seem to play with another ska band called Reel Big Fish an abnormal amount. I saw that because every time I’ve seen LTJ, RBF has been there. In fact, Reel Big Fish is everywhere! I think I’ve seen them at least 5 times, and I live in Canada for God’s sake! Check them out if you haven’t, you’ll like ’em if you’re into LTJ.

Less Than Jake though, they know how to party. When you go to a show, they have this incredible stage presence and energy. The connection with the audience happens so incredibly fast at a LTJ show. It’s as if they’re old friends with every single person in that room. I remember one time they invited a guy to come up on stage and dance because it was his birthday, but the only condition was that he had to simulate sex with himself for the duration of the song. The dude was just wasted too and stripped down to his underwear. He was trying to show everybody his ass, and I swear the bassist could was laughing so hard he could hardly make it through the song. That was also the same night they were filming for a music video and they had everybody in the crowd take off their shirts and whip them around in the air during the song. It was raining sweat in that room. Delicious, haha.

Ah man, thanks for the reply. Good to know somebody else shares the love :)


@SFHardy
, You know, you remind me of a good friend of mine. Like you, it took him a while to start really getting interested in music too. I think it might have had a lot to do with his upbringing. His parents didn’t really listen much music, so he never really developed an interested growing up. Funny thing about him though, he’s now a percussionist with over three years of music education under his belt and an offer of admission to Berkley :S Crazy how music can change people!

I think it’s great that you found something you really love. For me, it’s definitely punk, but I respect all genres as I said. I think it’s great too that you’re in to a lot of older stuff like Genesis and Queen. I have a good friend from University that absolutely loves the classic stuff. He’s like a walking rock n roll encyclopedia.

To be honest, I never really got into bands like Genesis, but I do listen to a lot of older stuff as well. I mean, I love Tom Petty, that guys badass. Bob Dylan, The Police, Pearl Jam, CCR, hell, even Boston from time to time, haha. I’ll have to give that Genesis album you’ve suggested a chance sometime. Maybe I’ll really like it!

System of a Down! Yes, love those guys. It had been forever since I listened to any of their stuff, then just the other day on my music binge a couple of their songs came on and I was just overcome with the urge to mosh, haha. “I wanna shimmy shimmy shimmy till the break of dawn, yeah!” Shit man, those guys have a sound like nothing I’ve ever heard.

Cool to hear you’re in to metal as well. Honestly, I was never a huge aficionado for the genre, but I can definitely appreciate it. It takes a lot of practice and proper technique to play metal. Very precise stuff. Gojira for example! My drummer friend introduced me to them and I was actually surprised to find myself liking it.Those are some talented dudes. I’ve also been really impressed by bands like Tool as well, but I don’t know if people would consider them more Progressive than Metal.

I’ve heard about those Rammstien shows. FIRE EVERYWHERE! Haha, supposed to be pretty crazy!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. And hey, I don’t know if you’ve ever gave it a shot, but you may like some of the hardcore bands out there. They’re a bit more reminiscent of metal in ways, maybe not quite as technical, but you might like it. If you’re interested in hearing some good hardcore, I recommend bands like Refused, Gallows or Alexisonfire. See what you think! You might be surprised. Cheers!

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@punker96, You said true believers and I instantly thought of the bouncing souls.

I was into punk pretty deep but now it doesn’t sound as good to my ears.

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Jay (52) (@punker96) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@spaceghost, Love that song!

I totally get where you’re coming from. I think it can be a change of taste for some people. A lot of my friends who grew up with punk don’t really partake anymore either.

In fact, they’re always asking me when I’m going to “grow out” of that juvenile punk rock phase and become a sophisticated adult who only listens to indie and drinks ice cold Pabst Blue Ribbon (I’m kidding). I just remind them that Mr. Greg Graffin of Bad Religion happens to be a punk with a PHD, haha.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@punker96, Bad Religion and Pennywise molded me into who I am today. They made me question everything. I had to study Bad Religions lyrics to understand them! I remember going to D.C for a school trip and coming back with not souvenirs, but a Bad Religion cd and several Punkorama comps.

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Anonymous (16) (@) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@punker96, I stopped wearing my converse do to sitting in class one day and someone said “ayeee got them chucks on. Whiz Khalifa I hear ya bro”

little did they know it was cool before Whiz made it cool

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Jay (52) (@punker96) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@spaceghost, Ah man! I almost forgot about Punkorama comp CDs! My brothers would always pass those down to me when they were done with them. I found out about so many awesome bands because of those albums! I remember getting Vol. 8 for my birthday one year. It had two discs with two unreleased Bad Religion tracks on them. I still listen to that album from time to time! Did you ever pick up the Rock Against Bush Compilations from Fat Wreckchords? Those were pretty damn good too.

@Jpongo6, Jesus. People actually talk like that? Ayeeeee, haha. I think they only Whiz song I’ve heard is that Black and Yellow song. I think he was on Conan once…

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@punker96, Same here man Punkorama introduced me to alot. Though I’ve heard of that comp I never actually listened to it. Speaking of Fat Wreck Chords, NOFX had some cool stuff, but for the most part they were fucking terrible.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@punker96, I had like 1-8 Punkorama but several years ago my entire cd collection got stolen. 300 cds I bet. Half were actual store bought discs. STILL BUMMED TO THIS DAY.

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Anonymous (134) (@) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@punker96, I think, don’t quote me on this, but Less Than Jake and Reel Big Fish are managed by the same person… hahah idk. maybe they’re just really good friends. I was gonna mention Reel Big Fish and Streetlight Manifesto but i didn’t want to veer into the ska punk side of things :)

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

Where are all the stupid people from?
And how’d they get to be. So. Dumb?
—-
He’s got his.
And I’ve got mine.
Meet the decline.

<3

Oh yeah – and,
Fuck the border!

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Jay (52) (@punker96) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@spaceghost, Lame about the CD’s dude! Yeah, NoFX is definitely one of those bands that people had mixed opinions about. Personally, I love ’em. Their really, really old stuff from when there were first starting out can be pretty hurtin’, but they’re one of those bands that has changed ALOT over time.


@ijesuschrist
, The Decline. An excellent song to listen to while studying for working on a project. 18 minutes later you’re hitting repeat and wondering where the time went. A good friend of mine was fortunate enough to see them play that live! Lucky bastard.

Fuck the border?
Fuck the kids!


@francina
, Hey now! Nothing wrong with a little ska punk. Don’t stop skankin’

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@punker96, Saw em play it live as well, can’t believe they can still do that, heh.

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Jay (52) (@punker96) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

Sorry, couldn’t resist:

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Anonymous (134) (@) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

NOFX are such a hit or miss band. You either love them or you hate them haha

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@francina, I love and hate them haha

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@punker96, pretty big punk rock fan here. I’m a little older (26 going on 27) but still very much a fan. I mean, I like a lot of different music now (including psychedelic rock, music of choice of the hated hippies!) and I feel like no one subculture really describes everything I feel or has the magic answer, but I do love what punk brings to the table – passion, empowerment, energy and a desire to stay young at heart. I like most of those bands you named a lot! The only thing I have started to notice with punk though, and a lot of 90s bands in general, is that I feel that they really start to lose their fire once the year 2000 rolls around in their discography. But everything 90s is always solid! Also, I tend to avoid most political stuff and just stick to things that have either personal meaning, or a more party/fun vibe.

Here, you may like this documentary I watched the other day. It’s all about the 90s California punk scene:

http://youtu.be/mQmb70n5Cp0


@francina
, just a little tidbit of info, but the main guy from Rise Against, Tim, is from my town. I saw them play once, I was there because Rancid was opening up for them but Rise Against put on a good show in their own right.

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Hachi1 (21) (@SFHardy) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@francina, AHHH!!!
OH MY GOD!!!
OOOOH MYYYY GOOOOOD!!!
“STREETLIGHT MANIFESTO”!!!!

I haven’t listened to them in so long! I’d just, completely forgotten about them, haven’t heard them for aaaages! I forgot all about them, let alone the fact they were ska punk. I found them about a year ago when I was bored so I was on wikipedia in a “music genre list”. I was like “hahah, ska punk, wonder what that is”. Next minute, on youtube, I was like WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING. It was such a change from my ordinary heavy music, it was so energetic and uplifting, and they were like.. trumpetting!

I used to listen to metal for a few days, and once I get to stage of being too metalled out I switched to prog rock and/or streetlight manifesto. Man, I can’t believe I’d forgotten about them for so long, I’m like singing right now :’)

AND WHEN WE FAAAALLLL WE WILL FALL TOGEEETHHEEERR!! Ahhh oh my god xD

eeerrrr.. so, what I was gonna say before @punker96,

You know, I’d never thought about it, but punk might actually turn out to be a genre that’s perfect for me. After posting that comment yesterday I had a look at the music I have, and looked at the genres. It turns out that I had quite a few grunge bands that I like (that’s kind a like punk, right?) and.. just now I’ve just remembered that there’s a brilliant ska punk band that I was in love with a while ago. (by the way I’m listening to them now hahaha) One of the things I really like about metal is the instrumental side – so if I like ska punk despite it being “ska”, I might really like punk. Recently I’ve been listening to a lot of metal-core, so hardcore punk could actually be a thing.

Man. If I were to get into punk that would completely reform my musical life, I’m like known at school as the “Asian Metal-head” hahaha.

This is so crazy. What if I was like tricking myself into liking metal when actually punk was the right genre for me? Hmm wait, I haven’t listened to any actual punk yet so I can’t come to conclusions this fast hahahah

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BriGuy (106) (@iambrian) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@punker96, Maaaaaan, I fucking love punk rock. I’m 19, when I was 17 I got to see Bad Religion on Halloween here in Atlanta, and man, what a show! Best show I’ve been too. I want to read Greg Graffins book, have you (or anyone else) read it? He’s a pretty interesting guy… Anyway, Yes, I listen to a lot of Bad Religion, NOFX, The Descendants,Rancid, Pennywise, Rise Against, Misfits…etc. Punk rock really shifted my perspective when I was in middle school….Bad Religions lyrics made me open my eyes and just realize all the fuckory that exists, plus it just sounds so great. It’s really passionate music and its great and I hope it comes back with a vengeance, we need punk rock these days.

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Jay (52) (@punker96) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theskafish, What!? They actually released One Nine Nine Four?? This documentary has been locked in development for YEARS dude! I had given up on waiting for that to come out a long time ago. I know exactly what I’m doing tonight! Thanks!

Hey, maybe I’m creepin’ a bit here haha, but you’re a musician yourself right? I remember reading a thread you had posted on awhile ago about how dead end jobs suck hard and you were saying that music was one of your passions. Are you a guitar player? Play in any bands?


@SFHardy
, Yeah man! You might like punk, especially if you’re into Streetlight. Those guys are fucking rad. The hardcore bands I recommended you check out might be a good middle ground between metal and fast ska punk, but something most people don’t realize is that punk is also a very vast genre. There’s hardcore punk, ska, pop-punk, melodic punk, political punk, experimental punk, thrash, grunge and a lot of other things derived from where punk started out. You’ve got a lot of options of what you might want to get into. If you like ska though, I just can’t bring myself to leave out an absolutely amazing ska band called Big D and the Kids Table. Hands down, one of my favorite bands for the genre. They draw influences from ska, punk and reggae. Lots of energy, just an awesome band. Check ’em out!


@iambrian
, Yes, in fact, I have read Graffin’s book! I had mixed feelings about it, because although there is a lot of great information, sometimes certain parts of the book tend to drag on a bit too long. However, he makes a lot of great points about where our society is heading in the future if we refuse to make changes to our current political and economic system, and also how religion often becomes an obstacle in the way of uniting human beings. He also touches on environmental awareness, his life philosophy being a “naturalist,” and the progression of his life as an academic outside of the punk rock world. He also has an interesting way of using punk rock as a philosophy in itself to make some interesting connections. With it, he describes how his outlook on life has changed completely, opening his eyes to new ways of perceiving both personal and global issues., through the eyes of a punk, if you will.

By far, the most important aspects of the book for me though were the parts about Bad Religion and the history of the band. I learned a lot, and even if you’re reading it just to get a closer look at the band, I’d say it’s definitely worth a read!

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Anonymous (134) (@) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@SFHardy, http://8tracks.com/burchbabexo/ska-punk this playlist will make you fall in love with ska.

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TheSkaFish (962)M (@theskafish) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@punker96, I think it’s still a rough draft version or something. I guess they decided to release it and put it on YouTube for free, or someone else did. Anyway, there it is, I’d say it’s worth your while to watch it.

As for your question, you’re not creeping haha. I am currently learning to play guitar, among other things, and trying not to let bs like school and work drain my energy. I wouldn’t say I’m good enough to play in any bands yet, but it’s a long-term goal of mine. I still don’t know what I want to sound like though…I love the punk and ska sound but also other things, like Smashing Pumpkins, for instance.

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Hachi1 (21) (@SFHardy) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

Hahah, do I really want to fall in love with ska? It’ll mean a lot more illegal dowlo… err.. yeah. Is it even illegal? Those download laws confuse me.

Looking through this thread it seems like there’s hours of music I’ve got to listen to – but I’m off to school now :( Oh well, once I get back.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

Yep. I kinda hate the newer whiney “punk” though. I always like listening to the music’s roots. Iggy and the Stooges, The Clash, Ramones, Richard Hell, Patti Smith, Velvet Underground, U.X.A, The Slits, Minor Threat, Misfits, Bad Brains. Post-punk is amazing too, Television, Talking Heads, Gang of Four, The Fall.

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