I'm betting against VR being the next big thing

JustinDanger (@JustinDanger) 6 years, 10 months ago

Google Glass and Microsoft HoloLens are both incredible feats of engineering and design.

They may both thrive in certain niches and applications.

But, they’ll never be mainstream.

This is because neither meets a need that is not already being met.

We’re got enough technology, more technology is not going to make our lives better.

Have you ever met a person who is like:
Overall my life is great except my HD TV just isn’t detailed enough

OR

I find it extremely difficult to be creative and express myself because I don’t have holograms that I can manipulate in my field of vision

OR

I find it really hard for my cell phone or computer to get me the information I need fast enough

No, no and no

People aren’t lacking technology, they’re lacking love, a spiritual understanding of themselves and so my bet is that advances in that direction is going to be the next mainstream trend.

March 18, 2015 at 3:05 pm
sian (109) (@siantastic) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

what iffffff though, VR could be used to increase and provide spiritual experiences to the masses? Ultimately I agree with you, and the technology that has been trickled down to us has been used mainly for distraction. But I can’t take away from technology, the internet mainly, actually massively increasing spiritual understanding. It’s just finding the line of when you have received enough information to move forward and stop getting distracted.

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Technological development and spiritual development are mutually exclusive if not entirely at odds with each other.

Most of the technology we have externalizes the powers we already possess, except it imparts it without the need to develop the body and mind to higher degrees.

Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I don’t know, but at the moment the overall effect is that we have become a super materialist culture.

I view this phase as the backward swing of the pendulum before greater idealistic understanding occurs.

Perhaps this technology will provide important sensory experiences to the vast amount of people who have almost no imagination, however I think the greater sensory experience for everyone would be to witness the inevitable downfall of their material idols.

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sian (109) (@siantastic) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

‘Most of the technology we have externalizes the powers we already possess, except it imparts it without the need to develop the body and mind to higher degrees.’

you know, that’s very true. For every person who has taken the information and developed the mind and body is someone spewing shit they don’t even understand.

‘Perhaps this technology will provide important sensory experiences to the vast amount of people who have almost no imagination, however I think the greater sensory experience for everyone would be to witness the inevitable downfall of their material idols.’

and yes, this is what I was aiming at. I worry that even the downfall would leave many with no imagination. But hey, maybe I should have more faith.

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

I’m not a luddite, but esoteric history speaks of numerous times when humankind technologically advanced beyond what they could handle (well known examples: Noahs’ Arc, The Tower of Babel) and the results weren’t good.

What will happen this time I think is still uncertain, but I do know that we will only progress if we learn that the answers to our problems aren’t more technology and more money.

There is only one answer to every problem and that is always to learn to use the body and mind in better accordance with natural law.

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sian (109) (@siantastic) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

I guess the internet has allowed a global connection to be made, one which makes so much sense to us because it is who we are. If we all aligned with the natural law of things then a lot of technology would lose it’s power as we would all already be connecting and speaking the same language. Ya, thanks for the brain food :D

But yeah, only time will tell as to what leap we take.

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

The internet is not for or against natural law.
It is a technology man has created to do his wishes which is his birthright.
It is how we use the internet which either brings us to closer accordance of natural law or further from it.
The smartphone addict, the glasshole, and whatever weird creature the HoloLens creates are all serious deviations from the Creators intention for the Human Being, which is that he learns to utilize his OWN mind to fulfill all his desires and modes of expressions.
This current decade has made human beings more into insects than the divine manifestations that they were intended to be.
I believe however, that the current swing backward of the pendulum is only that, and that soon we will experience a prosperity we never could have had we not gone through this unpleasant stage.
Also, this is not brain food, this is spiritual food.

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sian (109) (@siantastic) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Yup.

And I would hope that the only option after an unpleasant stage was a brighter time, otherwise I’m a fool for ever suffering.

Whatever man, I like food.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

I feel that the whole tech thing has barely begun. I don’t like to see where it’s going to go either. I’m kinda glad I’ll be gone before it gets even more out of hand though.

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

At a certain point you maximize dopamine levels and the thing you once found so great starts to get boring.

This is true in the virtual work and in the physical world.

I know with regards to virtual technology I have definitely reached that point.

I think many more people are going to reach that point in the coming years, and then as a society we’ll move on.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

I wish I could be as positive as you. I’m truly jelly and most likely I have PTSD to go with my schisms.

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

It’s the law of nature.
Everything that peaks, declines.
Trends fade and cycle.

We are near the end of this materialistic trend and close to the beginning of next upswing toward idealism.
This is approximately a 30 year cycle, so we’re about where we were in 1985.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Perhaps I am too Yin for the cost of my Yang.

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SD67 (5) (@SD67) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Lets see? Bruce Willis plays a cop sitting at home in and egg all fetal position, old and fat while his VR self is out getting the bad guys. I want NO PART OF IT! I’m gonna guess that you are 30 or older??? Me too, 47… Anyway, I am all for technology,,,,BUT!!!! first we need to take a step back and learn self sustainability on a personal level and extrapolate that outward. This is not very hard. It is as easy as providing your own needs for your own self—-then family, —then community,—– and so on…. We start with small gardens, community gardens…. Then move out to the country.. Ask land owners that used to farm if yopu could work their farm??? Then, when we no longer NEED poison from the grocery store, or clothing from slave factories, we can go ahead and do away with money all together… Sure, it is a little more complicated than that, but not much…. If we free our self’s to concentrate on making life as easy as possiable then and only then can we really know freedom..

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Yes, what you describe will hopefully be the future, but a distant future.
For the near future, expect something better than we have now but a little less Utopian.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

“Overall my life is great except my HD TV just isn’t detailed enough”
You would be surprised that there are millions of people who displace their frustrations on gadgets. Simply because that’s what’s in front of them majority of their self reflecting time at home.

“I find it extremely difficult to be creative and express myself because I don’t have holograms that I can manipulate in my field of vision”
#HASHTAG, LIKE my art page, FOLLOW my witty jokes and satire, FUND my independent idea, and COMMENT on my philosophical ramblings.

“I find it really hard for my cell phone or computer to get me the information I need fast enough”
20 years ago this would be: “These books are really a pain to carry around, good thing i have my trusty floppies” 20 years from now it would be “i really dont have the time, good thing i have this visual feed of info right on my contact lenses”

There’s a reason technology gets faster and better. There is demand. The new generation of kids now are raised on this, they don’t even have an idea on how it was before these things came around. That being said it is uncertain to say that it wont be mainstream because that breeds a new kind of understanding of technology, something even some 20+ year olds today don’t even get anymore.

Take a look at these, they surpass realistic vision. http://www.cgtrader.com/blog/welcome-to-the-mind-trap-35-most-photorealistic-3d-renderings
If you were sitting around the house bored and your friend came over and said “Hey do you want to try this new sensory enhancing drug and virtually fly through the GPS mapped mountains of the alps?” Or the fast emerging porn CGI. “Psst kid. Do you want to pay 100 dollars to get a blow job from a virtually simulated super model?” As long as people will like it, it will come around. If there’s lots of money involved, expect it to advance faster than the next deep sea exploration or a cure for cancer.

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Yeah I realize there are quite a few people out there who feel inferior because they only have HD and not 4K.
I realize on the fringe there’s the people who are out of control.
And at the moment a large portion of the mainstream is quite obsessed.
But, eventually the mainstream is going to ceiling when it comes to technological cravings, and that point is when their dopamine returns start diminishing.
I don’t think the switch from HD to 4K is going to give as much of a return as the switch from SD to HD gave most sports fans or general tv watchers.

I also think the fact that the newest generation has never experienced anything but a sensory overload is exactly why there will eventually be a backlash as the kids who are 4 – 7 now will be seeking something other than technology to define their generation when they reach adolescence.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

True. With high doses, people develop a tolerance is what I meant. It’s literally a drug. I’m sure there would always be an anti-thesis because there has always been one.

“I don’t think the switch from HD to 4K is going to give as much of a return as the switch from SD to HD gave most sports fans or general tv watchers.”

If you give a heroin addict a bottle of oxycodone, they would gladly take it until their next actual fix.

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

True, but that bottle of oxycodone won’t ever satisfy them like their first hit of heroin did.

So, pump all you want into their system, restlessness and dissatisfaction will ensue.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Hmm, I don’t know.
I definitely see what you mean, and it’s a possibility for sure, but I see another path as well this course might take.

Humanity is in an ongoing increased level of energy, which gives fruits as technology, also because we’re mostly unaware of other means to broaden our perspective, and therefor our consciousness with its quality’s like happiness,wellbeing, …

But of course, people are also seeing more wellbeing in other realms, due to this increased energy, or potential.

However, does this therefor mean, that we will stop investing our time, and energy as a collective, in the development of technology?
I don’t see that necessarily…

If we look at virtual perceptions, or whole library’s in a chip the size of a fingernail, or the technology where you say a few words to your watch while walking home, and your house starts heating up, and food starts to prepare itself, etc
These things are here already, we just don’t see them yet. ( at least the one’s we have not created)
If apple comes up with a smaller battery every year, it’s just that they get one step closer every year to what is humanly possible.

Animals do not have the need to make there lives better, or easier, cause they can not perceive a difference, we can, and therefor we must.
Is our brain not in its nature a tool to enlarge our field of perspective?
We don’t watch films anymore on old tv’s because we know we can do better, we don’t go back to reading books, because we know info gets faster, and better to us using computers.

As human beings we can imagine, and therefor create. And we have to, otherwise this brain becomes a burden.

So I don’t see why the creation of form to match our imagination should stop… We will definitely get more used to constant change though.

There are some of us -like myself- who get excited, by exploring the realms of consciousness, to see more universal truths, reality, identity, etc.
And there are other people who get just as excited to create a device to make the blind see, or the kids game…
It can be there purpose.
Again because we can imagine, we have to create.

All is possible, in the real of men.

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

“We don’t watch films anymore on old tv’s because we know we can do better, we don’t go back to reading books, because we know info gets faster, and better to us using computers.”

This statement is exactly the fallacy I’m talking about.
You can never ever gain without losing.
The lightbulb was a great invention, but because we fell so deeply in love with it, we cut off our nightly view of the cosmos.

Every technology that is being implemented today is removing as much from our experience as it is adding to our experience.

It is our choice what we see worth replacing.

If we continue heedlessly with technological advancement we will replace our willpower, our intelligence and our souls with some sort of inferior external device.

That won’t happen so do not worry, the pendulum always swings back.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Would you not agree, that the creation of men, adds to the expansion of the universe, in accordance with the law of abundance?
I don’t see why gain goes together with losing…

Its true that when you experience a lightened room, you do not experience the night sky, but this is a choice.
We can choose whatever we want to experience. All knowledge, or experience is available, and can not be lost.

Its true that as a collective we swing back and forth, but as an individual you can choose what you want when you want.
All is ever available.

I don’t see how your consciousness could ever be cluttered, you can just choose to go in ‘no form’ whenever desired, and you can interact with form when desired. (the forms don’t really exist you know, there just appearances, with no power to block your vision)

If you say that society as a whole is gonna lay its emphasis on the realm of no form after a period of external overflow?
Possible, but I think its just a bit more likely that it will go simultaneously.

It will all appear much more simple though.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

with simple I mean, it will not overwhelm us so much (dopamine thing) because we get used to it.

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Yeah I think there’s a clear 30 year pattern in American culture that fluctuates between material focus and ideological focus.

These are the decades of idealism:
1900
1930
1960
1990
2020?

These are the decades of materialism:
1920
1950
1980
2010

And the other decades are decades of transition.

Of course, no matter the decade there is continuous material and spiritual advancement, but the focus of the mainstream culture oscillates and so does their relationship to technology.

Maybe virtual reality glasses will be something huge down the road (based on the trend it’ll be around 2040), but all I’m saying is in the near future, mainstream culture is going to begin shifting away from massive adoption of ground-breaking technologies and shift toward massive adoption of ground-breaking ideas.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

well, I am looking forward to that! ;)

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SD67 (5) (@SD67) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Nice. 1993, Just CrissCrossing the states.. I believe were in Northern New Mexico. We made some friends and they directed us to a near by state forest, more like a dessert to a punk from the Pa. Appalachian my. area. We had a large fire going before sunset. We had been warned about cold nights.
Our new friends offered us a beautiful gift of magnificent, real, honest to God, Peyote Buttons. There would be no dinner and we iced the beers to save for the next day. Warm peyote tea and water would provide all the nutrition needed.
The sun began to set and my eyes played tricks before we even started to prepare our treat. From that night on I do my best to observe the sky as often as I could……. and the sun wasn’t even all the way down.
Soon the tea was steeping…. I could feel my guides waiting and still not a drug in my system. There was no moon and the stars began to appear. We sipped and watched. I knew the stars were always better in the county but never could I have imagined. It was better than looking through a telescope, and still no Dr…..Wait, wait…. BOOM!!!!!
What happened next will stay with me for life, with me.
My daughter starts college in the fall. Summer of 16? Well, my hope is Joshua Tree with my lil girl and maybe some of those buttons or shrooms. Sounds nice? It could only be better if my wife decides to finally give it a try… Poor girl is always stressed and she doesn’t care much for weed. She will take a Valium now and again, (yuk) but that’s it.
I never realized how bad light pollution was until a few years later…. Visiting the Outer Banks I was expecting a similar sky. Someone had told me they had laws concerning outside night lighting. It was beautiful but not even close to NM.
I say all street lights GONE!

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

It may or may not be VR that keeps us materialistic in the future, but there is already plenty that does this, and other tech devices are already sitting on shelves to be spoon fed to us, such as all the smart phones as one
example. Even worse than phones are video games. I know many people who spend every waking moment playing them and even lose sleep to stay online in order to farm more drops for more gold in order to get better gear. RPG games especially. The graphic violence in many of them are just mind blowing and also programming the immature to say the least. Many will disagree of course, but I personally find it disturbing. Sure, I may come home from work or school and jump on Aika for an hour or so and relax a bit, but in that time I could be doing something far more constructive. Aika isn’t all blood and gore like many games are, but I personally know many in the game who live their lives on it. It’s free to play but the cost goes beyond monetary value.
By the way, if anyone here plays it, you can join my guild in Len. : )

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

In the past we had black and white TV. When color came out everyone ran and got a color TV. When flat screen came out, they ran for those. When HD, Plasma, etc. came out…the same thing. I am sure that when they finally
blow the dust off the holographic TV and stick the spoon in our mouth, many will run and buy them just the same. Of course the working folks will need to wait 10 years till the price will be affordable for them, but it will happen.
Not to mention that the later hologaphics will take the form of solid matter. At first by appearance and then after it will be actual matter.

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

Yes this sounds crazy, but we see what happened in 100 years. So what will happen in the next 100 or 200 years?

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JustinDanger (41) (@JustinDanger) 6 years, 10 months ago ago

I’m not saying it couldn’t happen.

All the things you’re saying are possible.

But, my point is we don’t need new things, we need new ideas.

To make the near future a more interesting place.

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