Imagination in relation to existence

 CurrentlyAscending (@mrbates23)6 years, 8 months ago

Where is imagination in relation to existence? Does imagination exist? Idk if this makes since…

October 14, 2014 at 1:50 am
josephm (772) (@josephm) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

imagination is like the game “hot and cold” but with the freedom to attach free thought to any symbol we recognize that ultimately throws balance off and replaces it with ego – good game.

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Bailee Wills (19) (@TuAsTresMignon) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

What if our dreams are actually reality? How are we to know what reality is?
What if everything we see is just in our minds and none of this even exists? For all I know, you could just be a figment of my imagination! I could actually be locked up somewhere right now dreaming all of this and I would have no idea!
Never disregard the belief that everything exists.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

Everything that exists IS just in our minds. That is, whatever exists outside of our minds, if anything at all, is completely beyond our reach.

This is one of the biases its hard for humans to get past. But if we could for instance inhabit the mind of say a honeybee, which can see in the ultraviolet, we’d experience a very different “reality”, or if we could inhabit the mind of a dog, that has a sense of smell at least 100,000 times greater than a human’s, then our view of reality would also be very very different.

This is the relative nature of existence for living things that we tend to assume is not the case. We assume other living things all see the world the same way we do. In fact, there is no “one” objective world. What there is is ineffable. We simply cannot know because we cannot step outside of the framework of our own minds.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

You also touch on the idea that we or you, could be living in a simulated environment. Scientists estimate that there is a 60% chance that we are living in a simulated universe right now. Or you are, and all the rest of us are not real living things, just simulations. Its basically impossible to know. I have also heard that in about a hundred years computer systems will be so fast that we will be able to model the entire solar system down to the movement of individual atoms. Once we reach that level, we can create our own simulations, or simulations within simulations. You could be so immersed in these simulations that you’d have no concept of what “true” reality actually is.

The movie the Matrix touches on this where the Oracle explains to Neo that anything unusual he’s ever seen, vampires, ghosts, UFOs, is a flaw or violation of the matrix that indicates its all an illusion. We could say the same about our world. Miracles or supernatural and psychic events that seem to violate normal physical laws could be an indication that we live in a simulation.

But are they? The thing with a simulation is that all the physical laws are arbitrary. They are not real, so its easy to violate them. It would be like being immersed totally in World of Warcraft where magic is real, anything is trully possible, because its all just computer code.

One of the most disturbing things about this concept is that if you are living in a simulation right now, your memories are entirely suspect. Ten seconds ago your simulation could have been taking place in Atlantis, or you could have been a beaver building a dam, or a blade of grass, or the President of the Congo, anything. But the simulation was rebooted and your memories were changed with the reboot. This could be done constantly, every second, and you’d never know. History is entirely suspect, both your personal history and collective history, in such an environment.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

Everything you ever experience in your life is a product of your imagination. Everything takes place in your brain, when it takes data from your senses and creates images and meaning from this data.

In fact, there is no existence that you are aware of outside of this artificial realm your mind creates for you. There is no such thing as color, just frequencies of light. Your brain creates the concept of color. There is no such thing as sound, as space or time… Your brain takes all the sensory data your body feeds to it and creates these things.

We can never as human beings know what the true, underlying reality is composed of because we don’t experience it directly. Our brains interpret all of it for us as secondhand knowledge.

So there is nothing without the ability to imagine.

Emmanuel Kant was a German philosopher in the 19th century that first explained this well. A good book to begin to understand this better is From Science to God by Peter Russell. Its a short book so a quick read. Check it out:

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 6 years, 7 months ago ago

One other book I would recommend CurrentlyAscending, but its really difficult to get through, is a book about parallel worlds by David Lewis called On The Plurality of Worlds.

He takes a logic/language approach to the idea of the multiverse, basically the equivalent of Michio Kaku or Brian Greene’s physics approach to the idea that if the multiverse is real, then not only is anything possible, but everything that is possible is real. This means there is a universe somewhere composed entirely of macaroni, one where you are god, one where you are the devil, one where you are Sharon Stone…

The concept in Lewis’s book that I like most is that he talks about is the “trans-world identity” – this is a sort of cross-dimensional, cross-universe master imprint of your individual self that dominates all others…

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