Interesting arguement.. Jesus never existed

Matt P (@mkp843) 8 years, 9 months ago

Pretty cool, short video, that shows why Christianity is just a recreation of the ancient egyptian religion…. It’s pretty convincing to me, the similarities are just to much alike. Also fits into my believe system about how the world is today.

What do you think about it..?

February 15, 2013 at 10:48 am
Greunie (13) (@greunie) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

It’s interesting. But that’s all. Whatever clues we may dredge up and place together, we are reduced to the same place. We do not have viable concrete information to either deny or confirm. What does it matter anyway? Do we need to know for sure? I don’t. I am more interested in the ‘here’ than in the ‘then’. I don’t need a leader to show me the way, instinctively I can see that being kind to each other makes more sense than killing each other. Isn’t that the basis of all religion?

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Matt P (16) (@mkp843) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

The basis of religion to me seems to be worship.. at least a root of it..

What do you mean we are reduced to the same place?

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Corey (16) (@shottothedome) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@greunie, I’m going to have to completely agree with you on this one, there is no way of proving anything on his existence, so I take he and his writings as metaphors.

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Greunie (13) (@greunie) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mkp843, Choosing between believing he existed or not believing. People will end up in the same place when considering this argument. We cannot prove what happened thousands of years. Relying on the writings of ancient people who wrote about Jesus 300 years after his death or even surmising another argument entirely that he didn’t exist? I prefer believing as Corey mentioned that all ancient writings are metaphors. And if we consider the metaphors as a way of being more loving can anyone of us go wrong? Believers, atheists or agnostics? How can we go wrong in this agreement? Maybe we could stop fighting and get on with the work of being more loving instead?

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MidnightDragon (8) (@midnightdragon) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mkp843, http://www.thiaoouba.com/tomb.htm another interesting article about jesus

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Matt P (16) (@mkp843) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

The point is that the christian story of jesus, is just a knock of of the egyptian story of Horas.. all the other characters are knock offs too…. Moses, Mary, the trinity…

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Marie (2,051) (@ARCANUS) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I think it doesn’t really matter much whether he lived or not, point is he – or his example as a literary character – was misinterpreted.

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I figure the story of Jesus was a really well written fiction novel based in real times. A reinvention of the basic message of the old holy books – complete with parables and more comprehensible analogies, same story of God becoming a man – instructions for what is essentially ascension of the mind from the world of form. Shame it’s been edited the shit out of with the sole goal of keeping people from attaining the whole story, mystifying the whole thing, so they can continue to make a business out of it.

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Matt P (16) (@mkp843) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Well I believe the whole annunaki thing… that makes a lot of sense to me… So to me it was like the Summerians and Egyptian religion was just carried on and the alien part was just changed to angels.. Cause according to the theory, they witnessed the annunaki first hand.. I thought it was very peculuar that the story stayed the same, just the name and depictions of the characters changed..

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Jesus did exist, his life and who he really was has just been significantly adapted to play to an audience.

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Anonymous (46) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@trek79, how can you say jezus existed with such conviction, from horus to hermes they all have simmilarities which are a bit to obvious. Church and the concept of the christ is just a brilliant company, the biggest slaving community ever to exist… I’m not saying there wrong, not true it’s just that they operate under a community marketing there beliefs, there the same as microsoft only microsoft made something which is beneficial for progress.

In a way where people argue the concept we are all the same, build on the same mind etcetera is a valdation for the concept of jezus and that he forgives. It’s something simmilar to concepts like decartes wrote about Solipsism, there the forgivness must be introduced to allow the concept to work.

Think about this, if we as HE collective would appoint a concept like jezus, and with 60k people strong keep saying it is truth, start wearing ropes and just teach our childeren the same we could troll history in the same way… It’s nothing less than smart old people marketing with a bad explained concept of mind..

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@spiraltouch, As I said. You are confusing me for saying that the commonly known Jesus existed. I am saying there was a regular Joe who was good at communicating messages to his audience and things snowballed from there. I’d be more inclined to believe that Jesus was a Vaudevillian than he didn’t exist at all.

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Anonymous (46) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@trek79, right right….. but think about the motion of controlling the mass. It certainly would validate the invention of such a story. When people don’t listen just think of something they need. I’m highly skeptic about the formation of such systems, thoughts and plainly said people that are so high on themselves finding the need for expressing there conviction, whats there aim……… With the hermes, thoth and horus it was mostly focussed on creating ways to steer, trade, natural law and creation and less abouth ego, controlling of people, mind focus and shame..

anyway….

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@spiraltouch, Yes, religion was formed for a number of reasons. Leaders don’t like to say they are God, they haven’t for a long time, so they find an example of a person who people will accept as God and they claim they are experts on that person.
But metaphysics is an irrelevant endeavour as far as living life in a productive fashion goes. People want to know the meaning of life, what is their purpose, where did everything come from, etc etc, but if people sit around obssessing about such things they cease to be productive constributers to society.
That is why people laugh when you say you major in philosophy.
But religion had been formed to stop people dwelling on questions that seem profound but otherwise have no verifiable answer, it is also to promote morals, ethics and virtues, but the part you are getting at is how leaders distort these things to focus the populace toward their megalomaniacal endeavours.

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ALEC (25) (@ALEC) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Well, there’s no concrete method of proving the existence of Jesus, Horus, or most any other prophet, but a large chunk of the Bible was written before Jesus even existed and is often used as a reference for historical events. Even the Gospel contains confirmed writings of kings, empires, cities, wars, and other clues from the past. We even know where the supposed crucifixion took place and where the tomb of Jesus is located.

Christianity is a religion that receives a lot of negativity because of its history of corruption, and with over 30 sub-religions it is interpreted in all kinds of ways. I’ve always thought the similarities between Christianity, ancient Egyptian/Sumerian beliefs and other religions were so interesting, and rather than claiming these religions false, I see it as a way of complimenting each other and giving more meaning and depth to the beliefs. If you are to take a totally un-biased view, there is a lot of knowledge, wisdom and insight to gain from studying these things….instead of simply rejecting something you choose to see false.

Just remember: if you dismiss something simply because it is not what you want to hear or believe (or because a 10 minute video swayed your opinion), you are being equally as ignorant as the people who blindly follow their religion.

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ALEC (25) (@ALEC) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@danfontaine, I think I where you’re getting at. I actually just read a book written by the Dalai Lama where he compares a wide variety of parables and religious texts to scientific phenomenons….one hell of a mindfuck if you ask me.

even something as simple as the Holy Trinity can be used as a metaphor:

Father-Son-Holy Ghost, God-Jesus-Living Spirit, Universe-Sun-Earth, Mind-Body-Soul,

Conscious/intelligence-living organisms that make up a body-energy that cannot be created or destroyed.

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Anonymous (46) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@trek79, nice explanation. As it is, there must be some productivity otherwise we would be contemplating these question while scribbling on the cave wall, waiting for a comet to hit us

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ALEC, Sounds like a good book – I’m sure he has a lot of interesting stuff to say on it.

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Kristian Jaded (75) (@mentalkink) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mkp843, I haven’t really read the current conversation forming, But this thread reminded me of a clip from a movie, it related Jesus and Christianity to Buddhism.

The movie is called – The Man From Earth, its actually pretty wicked, I would recommend it to anyone here.

http://vimeo.com/6674005 <Watch!:)

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Matt P (16) (@mkp843) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Thank you Kristian.

I didn’t really see it as a compliment to it.. but as I stated earlier with my view on the annunaki being real.. it is a cover up.. took the egyptian and summarian religion, which states directly that aliens were on earth, created us (not the divine order), made giants, ect.. and just changed the characters into angels and noah.. ect ect.. And the book of Enoch was completly thrown out of the bible by the catholic church, my guess because there was just no way to change it.. it’s message was cyrstal clear.

What’s the point of doing something like that?? I really don’t know.. conspiracy against elightenment?

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Jesus wasn’t only included in the Bible. Why do people don’t make their own research? He is called Isa in the Quran too, a Muslim girl told me this so I checked it out. There are probably other holy books he’s included in which means that the chance of a person with his name and deeds actually existed.

The question is, why is his existence in the past bothering people so much? Hard to comprehend? I can only imagine. Personally, I don’t think it’s not possible for a person like him to exist, all his “powers” so to say I only interpret as symbols to enforce the power of faith in people. Not even for the sake of religions.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@mkp843, You should check out these threads, they further expand on this topic and show some of the meaning behind the misinterpreted concepts.

All the things that can enlighten you to the truth are demonized

Wisdom of the Holy

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Des (31) (@descarron) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@ALEC, what is the name of the book you read?

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ALEC (25) (@ALEC) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@descarron, it’s called The Universe in a Single Atom. It’s a good read, but explore some of his other books, I’ve heard he has even better ones on the same subject

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@beyond, I wouldn’t trust anything a Muslim person tells me, lol. Not even being racist – just being real. Biggest troupe of brainwashing I could ever comprehend.

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