Is Free Will possible even from a Deterministic Point of View?

Eloguvnah (@googaloo) 9 years ago

I know, the title sounds completely contradictive but read this, tell me what you think.

http://www.theoryserum.com/one-guys-short-thoughts-free-will/

September 26, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Conner J. (1,558) (@connerj93) 9 years ago ago

@googaloo, It always surprises me that those who believe in determinism with life, still look both ways before they cross the street.

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emptyminded (68) (@thoughtless) 9 years ago ago

yes the 2 does co-exist (duality)… rising above them to become the author is the hard part (unity)…

p.s never clicked the link, sorry…

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 9 years ago ago

When will all the fringe and label crap end? It’s best to just become, and stop making a theory out of it all. Theory sucks!

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Anonymous (127) (@) 9 years ago ago

@connerj93, That surprises you?

Almost everybody is a hypocrite in some way, shape, or form.

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H.W. Hawkins (18) (@WhiteOak) 9 years ago ago

Free will doesn’t make any sense from a deterministic point of view, and all recent neuroscience research purports the same incompatibility. I’d suggest reading Free Will by Sam Harris to gain a really lucid view on common misconceptions/ ill-reasoned perspectives on the topic.

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Conner J. (1,558) (@connerj93) 9 years ago ago

@optimystic, Of course maybe it’s not that surprising, I just hold expectations of truth when people say what they believe or don’t believe. Kind of how I make my way through of finding those who suit my life well, and those who don’t!

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Anonymous (127) (@) 9 years ago ago

@connerj93, Your association with expectations will end up harming you in the scheme of things.

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Conner J. (1,558) (@connerj93) 9 years ago ago

@optimystic, Haha, yeah one of life’s early lessons. Learn to manipulate the system with expectation and standardization and you’ll end up with much more real and down to Earth friends. It’s not an association, its a direct thought?

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Anonymous (127) (@) 9 years ago ago

@connerj93, Is that a question? If so, it’s not one I know how or why to answer.

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Bryan (104) (@Substratum) 9 years ago ago

@connerj93, I don’t hold any “decided” position in the subject of determinism or free will…but just to throw in an idea your comment brings up for me….I think that there is something “actual” regarding the “observation” of things happening which are or at least seem “meant to be”…and so it seems to me that you can’t know anything (or make any judgement in regard to…) something “meant to be” until AFTER it OCCURS…so it is exclusively something that might actually occur and be “known”subjectively…but never known objectively, never possible to predict or prophesy…whatever happens either is or isn’t predetermined or “guided” …and once it happens, then someone with the necessary “awareness” may actually “know” it was meant to be, and to anyone else, that “knowing” will be judged as either right or wrong or indeterminate…and even to the person who “knows” it was “meant to be”…it can only be as “true” as it is left open to the possibility that what they “know” as “meant to me” might turn out to be otherwise…
I think attempting to know what is defined as “unknowable”..requires “not-knowing”…in order to just “get it” …the problem arises from believing you can apply “knowledge” to understand something “unknowable”…obviously that can NEVER work no matter how hard you try.

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