Is it good to have faith in something you cannot prove?

Bobby Whoever (@bobbyalone) 11 years, 1 month ago

well, is it?

March 28, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Tucker Warner (0) (@custardodp) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

I can agree with Mario for sure. But faith alone is something we shouldn’t be settling for. Investigate your faith and don’t be afraid of what you’ll learn.

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Alec (12) (@alec7) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

Faith is good, but try to not be content with it alone. I have certain beliefs that I have faith in, but I cannot guarantee they are true. If you are willing to change your beliefs if you learn something new, then you are on the right track. Never believe ANYTHING with absolute certainty; there will always be doubt.

Faith can be a powerful tool to help you accomplish your goals and make sense of the world around you, but that doesn’t mean that what you have faith in will always end up being true.

Keep an open mind, question everything, and have faith in what you believe is the best representation of truth.

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Tucker Warner (0) (@custardodp) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

Alec, You da man.

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Tommy (0) (@gkeenan) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

‘Having faith’ is a term which is often used to describe very different types of belief. I can say that I ‘have faith’ in a person etc, but I’d imagine that I have good reasons for this e.g. I have faith that person X will perform action Y, I don’t ‘know’ that they will, but I have faith because of reasons A B and C etc, i.e I have good reasons to believe that they will perform action Y.

This is very different from having faith in something metaphysical like the existence of a certain deity etc, when there is insufficient evidence to justify the belief. This type of faith is often just the excuse that people give themselves to believe in something for which there is no evidence, or even (as I believe the case is for every religion that I’ve encountered) when there is a lot of evidence against the proposition.

Suffice to say I don’t find this type of faith useful, and I actually think that is detrimental to the progress of humanity. Much better to be brave enough to follow the evidence where it leads, even if the conclusions aren’t what we want. Wishful thinking isn’t for me.

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Rain (23) (@rain) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

I have faith in intangible things…. love for example.
I think having some faith is a good thing. I think completely blind faith that you didn’t form yourself on your OWN beliefs, but on the beliefs of others is bull, however.

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Bryan Hellard (307)M (@xyver) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

Ahhh Matt I see what you are talking about. I think that that is a bad thing to do. So like I said before, no good.

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Rain (23) (@rain) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

And a broken neck, Matt. ROFL….

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Bobby Whoever (57) (@bobbyalone) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

haha this is a good discussion. :D

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Viev Please (4) (@dozmaster) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

I think I would care about intuitiveness. Most spiritual things can’t be proven at all, but things like the benefit of meditation and believing in something and having a better life because of it can’t really be ignored, even scientifically.

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Stephen (90)C (@stepvhen) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

Faith is a warm blanket we use to protect ourselves from the unknowable aspects of life.

That’s my opinion on it.

The only true and useful faith can be faith in what we know for sure is true. All the rest is just conjecture and fantasy.

I don’t think faith can be the answer to our fear of the unknown. It just deludes us into ignoring reality

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

Hmmm, honestly? I think that sometimes it is good to have in certain things even if they do not exist. Some people need to believe in God for instance in order to survive, they need to have faith in heaven and believe that after death they will not evaporate and simply stop “being”.

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Stephen (90)C (@stepvhen) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

Yeah a lot of people do. I just wonder why they need that ? Who wants to live forever?

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

Well, they need that because they are terrified of the idea of not existing anymore, all of their dreams, hopes,hard work? How would they feel if it wouldn’t mean anything to them anymore?? As I think about it right now it seems to be a very scary idea! Imagine, if you are in love for example, not being able to hold the person you love again??

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Stephen (90)C (@stepvhen) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

It is scary isn’t it. Like really really scary. The thought that maybe nothing matters, maybe it is all just in our heads and in reality nothing matters and everything changes/comes to an end and that you might not exist

It’s really scary. Probably the scariest thing there is.

But.

It is the fact that it’s the most intense frightening thing you could imagine, a good enough reason to just lie to yourself about it?

Does comfort trump truth?

I suppose it just comes down to what you want.

Comfort or truth.

I noticed on your profile you have buddhist tendencies (I couldn’t help but look. I’ll update my profile in a short while).

This exploration is at the core of Zazen.

Once you take a look at what faith is a good honest look. Well. You’re moving toward a point of Death Awareness.

That is a great place to be. I’ve never been so alive as when I’m truly rooted in the fact that I will die. This will all change, I was never real in the first place.

It’s liberating

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

I believe in that “life is not the opposite of death…life is eternal”.
Perhaps this is a delusion, an illusion? But right now it is comforting for me. I know deep inside though that there is something strange…I have a strong feeling that we are not alive, we are not totally conscious, that we have a robotic curse! I have believed for a period in this short life I had, that nothing really has the meanings I have learned it had! Aren’t we simply the product of a simple equation?

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Stephen (90)C (@stepvhen) 11 years, 1 month ago ago

Cool. You don’t need to believe that though. You can just look around at the world and see that, what you just said is in fact true. As far as I can tell anyway. =D That’s what I like to do, just look and see what’s real and what’s not.

It really does look like we are. But is that such a bad thing? Do we really need meaning to keep us going?

I think there is something far bigger going on here. Far more important than my opinions or any illusions I hold.

I think being the product of a simple equation is quite good enough

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Flynnstone (813) (@flynnstone) 10 years, 3 months ago ago

Yes, if it turns out to be right.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 10 years, 3 months ago ago

“To believe in the things you can see and touch is no belief at all; but to believe in the unseen is a triumph and a blessing.”
-Abraham (muhfuggin) Lincoln

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 10 years, 3 months ago ago

I guess “to make believe” would be a triumph.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 10 years, 3 months ago ago

that’s entirely up to the individual , if it helps you get through your life then it is a good thing.

personally i have no problem whatsoever with dying and there being nothing.
no more me. the thought of an afterlife is all just about me. me . me, not many people want to die so like to think that there is something after to look forward to.

its just part of life, everything dies and the matter in our bodies is absorbed back into the universe and eventually into the body of some other animal.
so in a way yes there is life after death, just not my life.

if we are all just star dust, did that star really die?

I think life is just a cycle of matter. like everything else in the universe.

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Megan Wilson (5) (@poefan2490) 10 years, 3 months ago ago

My feeling on this is that faith is useful when we are young, since we can’t comprehend or explain everything at our young age. However, along with faith in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Toothfairy, faith in a higher being should then be questioned and we should be able to move beyond that if and when we find no evidence to support our belief in it. Sure, there are things we may not be able to explain or understand, but we should not have faith that some greater being/diety causes them just because we have no scientific explanation for what does cause these things.

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Emily (0) (@emjay93) 10 years, 3 months ago ago

The way I view things in my life is that it’s either fact or faith. So yes, I believe it is good to have faith in things even if they do not exist. It is a personal choice that isn’t for everyone, but, speaking from experience I can say that there have been times where having that faith (in this case, I am speaking of religion) has helped me through things that I am not sure I would have gotten through if it weren’t for faith. That’s not to say that it isn’t healthy to question your faith; if everyone just believed everything that was told to them without questioning anything at all, where would we be? Sometimes those questions can lead to a further development of your faith when you do finally find the answers for yourself. And other times, those questions never get answered, but like I said earlier, it’s a personal choice whether or not it is worth it to put up with those unanswered questions.

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Generally no.

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Bryan Hellard (307)M (@xyver) 10 years, 3 months ago ago

@ Tits If its only generally no, what are some times that it is yes?

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