Is social equality a stupid ideal?

 Anonymous (@) 7 years, 9 months ago

what does it matter if all hold the same rights?

December 26, 2013 at 11:03 am
Ed (40) (@orange) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I think the idea that you’re entitled to things, is childish. You are what you make of yourself in this world.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Well as a libertarian, I believe that all in society should hold the same rights.

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Ed (40) (@orange) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

What a lovely idea.

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Dominika (55) (@dominika) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

yes. equality is just idealism and wishful thinking. We are not all created equal, as much as we would like to believe. Some of us work harder than others, some of us have more opportunity than others, and some of us have more natural ability than others.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Of course people are not the same.

But then it doesn’t matter, since I see no reason why people warrant the same legal/civil rights. The only reason society says is to have “justice” but that’s an entirely subjective ideal.

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DreamsInSepia (1) (@DreamsInSepia) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

At the same time, we all clearly have the potential to influence others’ lives, so at what point then do we acknowledge a sense of social responsibility? I think something that’s missing here, is what your understanding of ‘social equality’ is?

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Equal legal rights/standing in society.

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Grand Kahlib (76) (@kahlib) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

@orange
entitlements are rights and rights are an idea and what you said supports that we decide to have have them.

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Suereyya (164) (@drapetomania) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

What do you mean by “what does it matter if all hold the same rights?” are you seriously that ignorant or am I just getting this wrong?

Obviously as @dominika stated, we’re neither born with the same physical/mental abilities nor do we all have the same opportunities (e.g. being born in a 3rd world country or an economically and politically well developed country).

But being different does not mean someone should be treated differently (especially when it’s to their disadvantage). Holding the same rights means in the long run a more peaceful society (at least in my opinion).

Though it is also clear that equality and justice are not the same thing and are not to be confused with each other. Equality is giving every human being the right to go to school. Justice is making education possible for those who cannot afford it.
I think this picture illustrates my point fairly well:

http://www.bubblews.com/assets/images/news/708838452_1376425592.jpg

I’d also like to introduce to you a thought experiment established by the (probably not so famous) philosopher John Rawls.

Imagine there is a so-called “veil of ignorance”; you are part of a society but do not yet know about the distribution of natural abilities, intelligence, strength etc. neither do you know whether you will be born rich, poor black, white or into a preferred class.

So naturally, because of everyone’s fear of being born as one of the less fortunate, the parties establish certain essential rights so that everyone regardless of their skin colour, abilities etc. are given the same chances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil_of_ignorance

But wait, there’s more!

Let’s have a look at a short definition of social equality and how it probably isn’t a “stupid ideal”

“Social equality is a state of affairs in which all people within a specific society or isolated group have the same status in certain respects. At the very least, social equality includes equal rights under the law, such as security, voting rights, freedom of speech and assembly, property rights, and equal access to social goods and services. However, it also includes concepts of economic equity, i.e. access to education, health care and other social securities. It also includes equal opportunities and obligations, and so involves the whole of society.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_equality

If you don’t care about all holding the same rights, how about going to North Korea and have them taken away from you?

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

lulz.. OK..

I just think that the few in society should hold rights and others don’t. Life is tough, meh..

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Suereyya (164) (@drapetomania) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I’d like to hear a few substantial arguments from you as to why or why not social equality is a stupid ideal. Go.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

It’s a backwards ideal, and is perpetuated by the PC movement.

But what “arguments” should an online stranger want exactly?

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Suereyya (164) (@drapetomania) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I assume that while asking this question you already had a specific answer in your mind, and I’d like to hear your standpoint and why you think about it that way. It’s sheer curiosity. Of course you don’t have to do this if you think I’m being too demanding, I’m just interested in what you have to say.

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

To me, some humans don’t warrant the same rights as others do. To cite then equity is foolish.

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Adam (118) (@moonglade) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

O.O please don’t tell me you’re a neo nazi

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

No, a libertarian as cited below.

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Adam (118) (@moonglade) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Sooo how is the taking away of anybody’s rights at all liberating

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

People contradict.

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Adam (118) (@moonglade) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

so you’re trolling -.-

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

I am? or citing normal human behaviour? lol..

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Adam (118) (@moonglade) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

It’s ok for one to contradict oneself if they have a reason but right now you are doing so to go on some stupid tangent in order to avoid adding anything of substance too this thread. This is actually quite annoying and I’m beginning to think a waste of my time

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

lulz.. I disagree. People contradict all the time, and wildly so. it’s human nature.

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Suereyya (164) (@drapetomania) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

In this case I got 2 questions left. What kind of people in your opinion don’t deserve which rights, and who then has the right to make this decision?

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Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

Society makes this decision.

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Suereyya (164) (@drapetomania) 7 years, 9 months ago ago

You’re part of society just as much as I am and I want to see Your views on it, not the one of some community. Which people don’t deserve the rights you’re talking about?

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