Is social equality a stupid ideal?
what does it matter if all hold the same rights?
yes. equality is just idealism and wishful thinking. We are not all created equal, as much as we would like to believe. Some of us work harder than others, some of us have more opportunity than others, and some of us have more natural ability than others.
Of course people are not the same.
But then it doesn’t matter, since I see no reason why people warrant the same legal/civil rights. The only reason society says is to have “justice” but that’s an entirely subjective ideal.
At the same time, we all clearly have the potential to influence others’ lives, so at what point then do we acknowledge a sense of social responsibility? I think something that’s missing here, is what your understanding of ‘social equality’ is?
What do you mean by “what does it matter if all hold the same rights?” are you seriously that ignorant or am I just getting this wrong?
Obviously as @dominika stated, we’re neither born with the same physical/mental abilities nor do we all have the same opportunities (e.g. being born in a 3rd world country or an economically and politically well developed country).
But being different does not mean someone should be treated differently (especially when it’s to their disadvantage). Holding the same rights means in the long run a more peaceful society (at least in my opinion).
Though it is also clear that equality and justice are not the same thing and are not to be confused with each other. Equality is giving every human being the right to go to school. Justice is making education possible for those who cannot afford it.
I think this picture illustrates my point fairly well:
I’d also like to introduce to you a thought experiment established by the (probably not so famous) philosopher John Rawls.
Imagine there is a so-called “veil of ignorance”; you are part of a society but do not yet know about the distribution of natural abilities, intelligence, strength etc. neither do you know whether you will be born rich, poor black, white or into a preferred class.
So naturally, because of everyone’s fear of being born as one of the less fortunate, the parties establish certain essential rights so that everyone regardless of their skin colour, abilities etc. are given the same chances.
But wait, there’s more!
Let’s have a look at a short definition of social equality and how it probably isn’t a “stupid ideal”
“Social equality is a state of affairs in which all people within a specific society or isolated group have the same status in certain respects. At the very least, social equality includes equal rights under the law, such as security, voting rights, freedom of speech and assembly, property rights, and equal access to social goods and services. However, it also includes concepts of economic equity, i.e. access to education, health care and other social securities. It also includes equal opportunities and obligations, and so involves the whole of society.”
If you don’t care about all holding the same rights, how about going to North Korea and have them taken away from you?
I just think that the few in society should hold rights and others don’t. Life is tough, meh..
It’s a backwards ideal, and is perpetuated by the PC movement.
But what “arguments” should an online stranger want exactly?
I assume that while asking this question you already had a specific answer in your mind, and I’d like to hear your standpoint and why you think about it that way. It’s sheer curiosity. Of course you don’t have to do this if you think I’m being too demanding, I’m just interested in what you have to say.
To me, some humans don’t warrant the same rights as others do. To cite then equity is foolish.
No, a libertarian as cited below.
I am? or citing normal human behaviour? lol..
It’s ok for one to contradict oneself if they have a reason but right now you are doing so to go on some stupid tangent in order to avoid adding anything of substance too this thread. This is actually quite annoying and I’m beginning to think a waste of my time
Society makes this decision.