What is the true purpose of the Bible, and why are there so many Christians leaving religion to become atheist? Is the universe a mere 6000 years old or does the Bible refer to something totally different? Why are there so many Christian religions teaching their own teachings whilst all are supposed to teach from the same book? What is Hell, do we have free will, why was the physical creation created if we are all spiritual beings stuck inside a physical body of illusion? Is Jesus a man? Where is God?
Hello :) i’ve never really read the bible, but i understand the stories in them. there are 2 sections in the bible. there are stories about people and the miracles that happened to them and it was a success, and there were stories about the horrible things that certain people went through. to sum it up, there is the good and the bad examples (the successful and the warnings of what NOT to do)
my opinion of heaven/hell : they are both HERE in the physical realm
my opinion of free will: YES we do have Free will. That was God’s Greatest Gift unto mankind
my opinion of us spiritual beings in physical form: we are here to learn something very important, and being in this physical body is a “test”
my opinion of Jesus: Jesus was a man that “knew” outside of the system (illusion)
my opinion of God: You are “it”
I’ve read the Bible but a lot of religious leaders count on people taking it bits and pieces. I went to Catholic school and I can quote passages. When a hateful Christian gets in my face about things and starts quoting Bible verses they are often shocked that I can toe to toe with them and react with love by quoting back. We can go back and forth for hours like that. It’s peaceful for me but they get angrier and angrier.
The Bible is not meant to be understood. It is a weapon, tool or device to control people.
@planetconcrete, Hi Patrick. I was in the same boat; but these are some of the things which were revealed to me that helped me to find the truth. I will attempt to place a link. Where is Hell? http://youtu.be/glqpCzTsVJI See this link Where and who is Jesus? http://youtu.be/uZgz0fXONdw God is not man http://youtu.be/GTZX8Zi9Bgw
@godsmedium, Same boat how? I am in no boat. I am sitting in my apartment in Chicago. I am wearing longjohns and sipping tea. The nickname for my apartment is “The Haunted Spaceship” since I am a psychic/medium. Hell does not exist unless you believe there is a hell.God is you, you are God. The Bible is just paper.
@godsmedium, I hope I didn’t come off as rude. Your initial question was is the Bible understood by Christians.and I answered and then you said that we were in the same boat. What boat? And you showed me some videos that purport to reveal the truth. We’re cool, right?
The purpose of the Bible is the same as any other religious text, it is a reference and account of divine doctrine.
Christians are abandoning their beliefs because we are finding truths out about reality that are in direct opposition to statements made in the bible (regarding the nature of reality).
The universe is many times older than 6000 years.
People interpret the meaning of the Bible’s message differently, thus their teachings will vary.
Hell is a place where people who fail to meet Gods prerequisite standards go.
In my opinion we don’t have free will, according to the Bible we do not have free will. If you believe in the texts then you have to believe 1. God is all knowing (omnipotent) 2. God has a plan for every individual. Therefore God knows every single human action, and has planned it ahead of time (predestination). Therefore we cannot act outside of that plan because that would imply God is not omnipotent.
I am not one to speculate why a deity made spiritual beings live and die as physical ones, only to be judged when their “real” life begins.
Jesus probably was a man, and if half the new testament were based on what he was really teaching people–then he was a good man.
According to Psalms: “Why should the nations say, ‘Where is their God?’” And he answers, “Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases” If you believe that sort of thing.
Is the bible understood by Christians? To be Christian is to be “Christ-Like”. I think that’s where we should start. True Christians can understand the bible for what it is, a spiritual book used for the ascention of man . The millions of people who call themselves Christians and rot the Christ-consciousness see the book as historical and to be perceived however the teacher in the pulpit told them. :)
@godsmedium, The Torah was written to serve as a mechanism for Jewish unity and order and this created a great nation but ultimately a xenophobic one. The Injeel (New Testament) was an attempt to adapt those techniques of unity and order beyond the Jewish people, to open up certain wisdom to the Gentile nations without discrimination.
But of course many Jews saw this as going too far and so stayed Jews while many Christians saw this as not going far enough so they became bigots and crusaders. Originally Christians didn’t fight, they just took it and that principle caused them to grow despite the oppression, but somewhere along the they forgot that and decided to start violently defending themselves, even conquering.
So basically Christianity, and even Judaism in a way, was based on ideas like freedom depends on self control, you maximise freedom by creating an environment that doesn’t hate you. It never has been about beliefs that caused people to kill each other, it is fear and desire, and any leader who plays on the fears and desires of the people can convince them to kill.
So that is the great hypocrisy of religion; it creates people who want things a certain way and want everyone to obey that way, but over all there still exists greed and wanting to take things from others for yourself, and little differences like belief and a fear that your belief is being threatened is the perfect excuse to use to mobilise people to help you take what you want.
On the question about do we have free will. The bible does say that God is all knowing, and that every individual has a purpose, that God has a plan for them, but I don’t interpret that as he is controlling the out come of our destiny. It’s more like, if you live by the faith and love of God, and humanity. So in other words live your life through God in a way that represents his love. If you do this it doesn’t matter what your career choices are, or where you end up in life. So long as you lead a life that’s in his, “plan” his design on how humanity should be. Show compassion, love your neighbor, etc. Then you’re fulfilling his plan for you.
I grew up in a church. This is what I’ve come to understand from question everything I’ve ever heard in church lol. This is just my interpretations, and are up for your own interpretations of course.
@godsmedium, But ultimately you can’t make a person change their beliefs, you can only live by example and hope they see the logic in certain things, or you can kill them, in which case technically they win by not changing to the way you want them to.
There are lines of course, logical lines where people want to kill you or others because you don’t obey them, but as I said it isn’t beliefs that make people like that, it is greed, fear or anger that causes people to take that extra step.
There are different teachings because some people realise that strictly obeying the Bible will bring difficulties on them, not from others being intolerant of them but from them being intolerant of others, so they adapt.
Hell is just a fear inspiring mechanism used to control people.
I think we decide what makes sense to us, we decide how much credence we should place in what others say, we are responsible for our own discipline and behaviour, we can recognise love and hate and choose to live according to one or the other in any given situations, so yes, I’d say we have free-will, everything kinda depends on it.
Finally; the thing is, humans try to assign human features to things that are not human, we make this mistake because as humans we best understand things in human terms. But rather than making the universe human, we should be looking at humans as part of the universe, we are coming from the wrong direction.
The universe has functions, but we keep insisting functions are actually purpose, but that is humanising the universe, we are really just the same as everything, the only difference is we can believe we are different, it’s all part of the same evolution.
1. The Bible is a historical reference, as well as a number of parables, proverbs, and explanations of ‘Divine’ and supernatural interactions between humans and metaphysical happenings. It was written and compiled over a long period of time by many different authors, but yet has many of the same characters, themes, symbolism, etc. I think so many people are converting to Atheism because religion, or Christianity specifically, has committed numerous shady acts throughout history, and there is a continuing animosity growing against the faith. People who don’t exactly understand the religion don’t want to be associated and would rather debunk it, and on the opposite spectrum people who follow the religion but cannot truly wrap their heads around the concept of God or other ideas in the Bible choose to push the religion. It’s messed up.
2. I’m not sure that the Bible actually states that the Earth is 6,000 years old, but I believe it is a fundamentalist misunderstanding. Obviously the Earth was not created in 7 days, but it’s still widely accepted that it was. Keep in mind, the Bible is extremely old and has been interpreted and translated into a variety of languages. The modern American English Bible is much, much different than the original Hebrew texts. What we translate as 7 days could mean something completely different than the original intention of the Bible. John Steinbeck gives a really great example of lost translation in the Bible in his book “East of Eden.” Maybe God created the Earth in what he perceives as “7 days,” but with our interpretation of time it was actually millions of years of evolution. Again, a God figure may see the universe as only 6,000 years old (in His time) while we record it to be around 13.8 billion years old.
3. Even before the Protest reformation, the Catholic religion was looked at differently in various places. The Roman Empire had a their own way of interpreting Catholicism, just as the Irish incorporated many of their Celtic nature-worshiping beliefs into Catholicism, even though they all followed the same book, most rituals, saints, prayers, etc. But with the Protestant reformation, Christianity split into many sub-religions. We now have Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, Vineyard, Mormon, to name some of the more popular ones. The Protestant reformation’s goal was to reduce violence in the name of Christianity and convert more people to the religion by making it more appealing. They took out some of the older books of the Bible, changed many of the customs and rituals, and essentially made it a sort of “light” religion (ex. as long as you believe in God, you’ll get into Heaven, doesn’t matter if you choose to not live virtuously). In some ways they succeeded, but the Protestant faith has been guilty of nearly all the same acts of violence, genocide, corruption, shady business, etc, as the Catholic religion. However Protestantism is the most modern, commercial religion of our time, but that’s not necessarily a good thing.
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@godsmedium, Oh and about the world being 6000 years old; The Bible says the universe was made in 7 days, but this 7 days measurement comes from a time before humans, before humans had the concept of time, so this measurement is likely more a divine symbol rather than literally human measurement.
An example is “The Seventh Day Adventists” a denomination of Christianity that believes the reason God seems to be absent is because we are still in the 7th day, “and on the seventh day, God rested”.
By science we know each day according to the Bible do not correspond to each other in length, so days would be more like eras or stages.
Another thing is the expression “End of Days” used in the Bible and by many religious people to represent the apocalypse or Armageddon, the End of Days may be referring to the end of the 7th day, at which point God returns from his slumber and cleans house.
Its a book of Myths written by people without science. At the time it had meaning and understanding for those people. It is nothing more than that.
Today It holds no real meaning. It is factually false and full of bigoted views. If I was to read the bible and follow it today I would be a Sexist, racist, homophobic, slave owner who sells his daughters to slavery and talks to imaginary friends.
Luckily I managed to see the bible for what it was.
You now have Christians cherry picking the bible. As laws and morals change… The bible seems to change with it. But remember… if you believe in this God you should follow all the laws of God. You should not pick.
But today it is impossible to not do so, Most of the Bible is a sick and twisted Horror story. To follow it would be deadly.
The bible only has one good thing going for it. It shows us the stupid and unwise.
This is one my least favorite Christian-apologetic arguments. If the creation of everything were measured in a time other than human days, why did they use the word days? How are we supposed to trust the historical and literal accuracy of a book that was written to be intentionally cryptic?
People had no problem believing the heavens were created in seven days, until science slapped them with some truth; now people have to come up with arguments to protect their precious book.
Religion period is a form of controlling the people.It makes them believe god is an all fearing man that gives you free will but then will sit there and judge you and condemn you when you’ve chosen to do things that someone else might consider is wrong. (?) He will send to to hell for eternity ( that’s the one that makes me laugh the most) does that make any sense? Does anyone have the power to think deeply anymore. God doesn’t care what you do, he doesn’t judge you. In fact I’m limiting god by calling him “he” because there is no earthly word to describe what is god. He is pure love and that is simply the source of it all. Religion tells you open a bible to hear the word of god. What makes you think god only spoke 2000 years ago? What did he just one day choose to shut up? He is constantly speaking to us but we’re too distracted to listen. We’re busy hating each other and ourselves and then we wonder why we aren’t happy. We are not here to learn lesson, we already know everything we are suppose to know, we are simply here to remember who we truly are and that is a reflection of god himself. We are all extensions of god. And we will keep on coming back over and over again in many lifetimes until we’ve reach an enlightened state where we realize there is no separation between us and god. So to answer your question no the bible is not understood by Christians. Not to mention the bible is not a reliable source. What you read there is what they have chosen for you to see but there are many books/ events still missing. Conversations with God by Neal Donald Walsh is something you might be interested to read.
@rexrf, Agreed, I don’t consider the Bible to be an accurate representation of history but rather simply an embellishment technique used to promote unity and conformity to a code of Law. But I do recognise parallels with scientific findings, I appreciate philosophical and metaphysical directions it has developed and I respect attempts made toward the promotion of ethical conduct, but the latter is possibly the weakest part of its merits.
I figure the best way to interpret the Bible is the way that makes you realise how intolerant of others it can make you and defy that trap as best you can.