Is there some truth in the life we live?

 Matheus Pinheiro (@Mattgood) 7 years, 8 months ago

I would love to know if there is some real TRUTH about the life we take. Because the more you study you will never stop discovering exceptions to things that before were rules. So, I want to know if there is a simple and REAL TRUTH that we have proves that are impossible to not be real. And why they are like that.

February 1, 2014 at 9:53 am
TheGrassTree (2) (@GrassTree) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

i’d say that math and logic are the only two fields of study that can lay full claim to truth. then after that there’s a lot of grey area (the study of physics, or of communication, or of behaviours, etc.) and then there’s a lot of bullshit (the world of the media) but hey, at least the bullshit keeps us occupied so we don’t have to concern ourselves with things like discovering truth.

as far as i can tell, personally, the only real truth out there is that led zeppelin rules. but then there are other times, when i’m under the stars, or sitting by a river, or meditating under a tree, and i find i can discover a completely new paradigm on life in a single moment. and when i do i have to question the truth of everything i knew or thought i knew up to that point.
(i generally find that the led zeppelin thing stays pretty consistent).
but do you think that everybody probably has these moments? i think everybody probably has these moments — after all, we’re really nothing more than mould on a giant rock which is whizzing around an even more giant fireball in the middle of a strange cosmic nothingness that nobody can comprehend as far as its purpose or its origins.
indeed, nobody has any clue just what the hell is going on, at any point, ever.
and they never have, and quite likely never will before we end up exterminating ourselves due to general incompetence.

all that being said, though, the universe still insists on existing anyways, and whether or not we know what is real, we can at least try to figure it out. and we’ve come a long way as a species in doing so (though we really ought to have come much further by now.) for instance, we happen to know that if you run a current through a filament in a bulb, light and heat are both outputted and you now have yourself a lamp. we know this because repeated demonstration has taught us that the method holds up to scrutiny, and we can thus predict the outcome reliably.

however, we could be totally wrong, and maybe it’s just a fluke that lamps work anyway. for this reason, each physics class ought to come with a disclaimer that you might be learning nothing but lies.

math and logic, though, well, they’re the special ones. why?
geez, i dunno.
but think about it. could you fathom a universe without the number 7 in it? i don’t mean the numeric character “7”, nor the words “the number seven”, but rather a universe where, conceptually speaking, seven just doesn’t happen. you can have six apples and then you can have eight apples. if you have eleven apples and someone removes four of your apples, you… well, you don’t. that’s not allowed to happen. don’t let that bitch steal your apples, the universe can’t handle it.

doesn’t work, see?
math is a language of construction for the universe in which we exist. if we accept the existence of the universe, we sorta just have to accept math too.

Austin (3) (@FatNinjaL33T) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

But even then, our mathematical system is somehow imperfect. For example, the invention of imaginary numbers. The imaginary number “i” is meant to stand for the square root of -1.

TheGrassTree (2) (@GrassTree) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

ooooh daaaaaamn, i forgot about those

Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I once speculated that we do not exist in just one universe, that in fact we occupy 2 (or maybe more) at the same time, and certain laws that are possible in one are not possible in another, and visa versa, so humans are constantly being confused by paradoxical anomalies that steer their logic one way until they hit a dead end and go search for an alternative.

I’d say the truth is there is no right or wrong way and we just have to learn to live with paradox.

Anonymous (175) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

Nothing is absolute.

Though I think there are some basic facts of our environment.

Matheus Pinheiro (44) (@Mattgood) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

I though of this because sometimes I just think: And if the theory of the Big Bang is wrong? What would happen with the other sciences. If we don’t have a base to create more logical truths… So, where is the sense??

steven glansberg (2) (@stevenglansberg) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

hey Matt.

My theory was that an undoubtable truth we can confirm that applies to the universe is balance and action/reaction.

Science is the study of the physical universe. There are enough hints from physical science that tell us “physical” doesn’t actually exist. E=mc2, particles existing in two places at once, or as both a wave and particle. What was the Big Bang? Existence exploded from a single point. Of what? It wasn’t planets and shit all stuffed together, it would be “physically” impossible. It had to be energy.

Religion is looking for the same answers as science, just from different ends of the spectrum. There are many parallels between religions, and it would be logical to assume that there is some truth in those ideas. In general, western religions talk about God, or the creator, creating existence with “the word” or something similar. Likely metaphors or allusions. Eastern religions have similar language about creation or existence being more metaphysical in nature. We’re close to the point where science and religion will intersect. That’s what we’re seeing with quantum physics and string theory and all the real crazy stuff.

So, we’ll eventually figure out that all existence is energy/creation. Basically, your dreams, from a material viewpoint, is the same as the reality you’re in everyday. All of existence is just a giant pile of creation goo. The only rule that will apply is balance.

Balance is a self-regulating and self-sufficient system. What would happen if there wasn’t gravity? What if there was only gravity? Life cycles, the seasons, ecosystems, masculine feminine, there are million examples. The best way to think of it, is the universe is a pendulum. If it ever stopped swinging, existence would cease to be. Balance is insurance that that will never happen, in that balanced is always the goal but it will never be reached in totality.

Math and logic are the two fields closest to truth. Math is just a way of measuring/quantifying balance. 1+1=2 1-1=0. However, math is not perfect because we’re not perfect at figuring it out. Math is only relative to us, in the same way an inch is. It’s made up. There’s no such thing as 3 trees in nature, there’s only a tree, a tree, and a tree. Logic is similar, it describes balance or the action/reaction process. Logic is just tracing the action/reaction backwards or forwards.

As for what created the universe/creation/existence that we experience? Who the fuck knows, beyond our comprehension anyway. But there’s probably an “afterlife.” A “post-existing-existence”? Probably something though.

As for the Big Bang, my guess is it’s the birth part of the life cycle of the universe. The universe is constantly expanding. It’ll probly get to a point where gravity can no longer hold it together, and it will “pop” and collapse in on itself. It will then, again, be the size of a pin or whatever, and it will explode outward and the process will repeat over and over. Like a balloon popping and then being re-inflated over and over. Because it’s balanced and logical.

@grasstree, You sound bummed out.

TheGrassTree (2) (@GrassTree) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

not bummed out! no, rather, i had just finished reading Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy before posting that, and found myself full of a sense of dark comedy when it came to speaking of the universe. everything i wrote should be read with a hint of dry sarcasm. i suppose i should have realized that my intended tone may not have shone through clearly.

Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

We’re not even sure if what we experience is real. There are actually scientists trying to figure out if we aren’t just some giant computer simulation in an alternate universe. So no, I wouldn’t say there is any real truth. But we can make some damn good educated guesses.

josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 8 months ago ago

were all pixels rolling down a hill crisscrossing.
snowballing inward toward a transdimensional shift.

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