in my opinion this life is not more meaningful without a god but it does matter more. Without a god there is no meaning to life, there is no ultimate goal or consequence to strive for, this life without a god is pointless and moves toward nothingness. That does not mean that this life doesnt matter though, with a god, this life matters less because it is not all that is left and is just a precursor of what is to come. With nothing in the end, this life is all that matters and all that will be, so you must determine your own meaning to life, but in the end your life will not merely be judged by you, but by society. Society’s judgement will not be the same or absolute, so therefore there would be no overall or absolute meaning to any individuals life without a god, but in the sense of importance it would be more important.
@mikeyw829, Yes, however Christianity is renown for imposing a certain sense of purpose on Christians. Most Christians go through a lengthy process to become Confirmed. During this time they go through various dedications and promise to “give their life to God”. This could be interpreted as a purpose. There is a relatively accepted rule-of-thumb amongst the church that good christians use the gifts God gave them in order to bring more people to him. Having said that, Christianity is a very diverse religion and it is almost impossible to generalize for all of it.
I’ll start off by saying that I denounce any sort of higher power, as believing in a God is taking my inner power and externalizing it, an agreement with myself that I am incomplete, unwhole.
I view everything as chaos, being ordered by order, until the order is so seemless that consciousness is given rise to. It has beauty and meaning to me. The order of my being is a vehicle for a transcendent entity, a consciousness. A tool created by evolution to retain order amidst the chaos of brains interacting in a network, to combat cancer. The meaning of my life then is to find higher and higher order between my self and all components of my life. Simplicity is the source of all. If I live true to my source, I too will create order from chaos. Reality will seem very malleable to me and I will act accordingly.
And I’ll die with tears of joy running down my face, the end.
@bigfoot29, I see your point. I was just pointing out that being an atheist in response to religion is the same thing as being part of something normally thought of as religion. That’s why atheists and ‘religious’ people always fight with each other… because they’re really the same people with slightly different beliefs… They both get card castle comfort from either believing there isn’t a god so they can do whatever they want without a real purpose and no repercussions or by believing they’ll be saved by god by following a specific set of pre planned rules regardless of whether it serves you or not. Opposite sides of the same spectrum, that spectrum being trying to conceptualize your existence through thought and philosophy alone. There’s no depth in either one.
Moot question? Meaning is an abstraction unless it refers to the reality of something, in which case it refers only to emotion which the cosmos is made of. So whether you choose to call this “God” as I do to reflect its all-conscious nature, or choose to call it “Mind” to express its self-computative arrangement, “Math” within the syntax of its holographic manifestation, it is made no more or less meaningful as what it really is.
@cj420weeks, I am God of my own world. As we all are. After all, we create our own reality, and none of them are the same. My life is meaning in its own, because I’m alive. Something somewhere happened which lead to me being here today. Sounds important enough for me.
The most meaningful measure of life is the choices made and actions taken. However if your decision making process is coerced by possibility of punishment or reward (ie heaven and hell) then those choices are less free and less your own. We have a habit of deifying those who make difficult choices in the face of personal sacrifice (Ghandi, Mandela, even Jesus fits that bill), why is this? I would say it is because we recognize that whatever the result it is the ability to choose that really gives us meaning. And these people who garner so much admiration made choices, not regardless of consequence, but with a full understanding of consequences. UItimately that is meaning, that is choice, and that is the only way to face, with honor, an indifferent universe or one governed by a capricious God.
There is Source – Source is All that is in the Nothing – the Nothing is Everything.
Source is self conscious of itself.
We are the universe experiencing itself.
@streklof, I’m not a solipsist. You exist, I exist, we all exist. But my reality is different than yours. We can both walk down a hallway side by side and experience it totally different. And both of us are right. I make my own reality. Therefore I am God of my world. You are God of your world, whether you choose to believe it or not. And in the end, we’re all part of a universal conscious.
The God that we need to live for is a construction of our needs. The fear of what society can said about you is trying to fulfill their perception and what they believe is right or wrong. Liberation happens when you don’t need a God responsible for your live and you abandon the duality of right or wrong that you are been program all your life. Life is about acceptance, Every experience right or wrong is perfect when the mind is clean of perception. Happiness is a state of mind sadness is a state of mind, love is what it is. Everything is connect and perfect just live and enjoy the ride. Kill the God of your mind and become God.
I get that kinda, its not separate, not indistinct, but rather parts of parts, and parts of a whole that can’t all be jammed together to gather some consensus. I just always worry when people get that fixed interior viewpoint and revel in it.
I like this question because before I went through my little philosophical change some time ago, my only meaning to life was doing my purpose, dying, and going to Heaven. But that’s when I HARDLY loved God.
I say hardly because I was one of those stereotypical “believe in God just in case” kind of Christians who didn’t really practice what she preached. I was a dummy, I know that now.
But ever since I started taking into account what Jesus Christ had said and I started reading the Bible and studying cosmology and realizing the immensity of the universe for what it really is, God gave me a meaning on EARTH. I always thought that the meaning to live was to die and go to heaven.
I don’t know… I feel so much better about life right now.
And the worst that could happen to there not being a god, is just dying. I could say that I started living an honorable life at a somewhat young age and that makes me feel good.
But if you can do great things without the influence of God, more power to you.
What scares me is… if there isn’t a God out there, and this is all that we are… Our time is quickly fleeting and some of us die sooner than anyone would expect. It’d be nice to say that my young God mother went to Heaven and though her time on here was over quickly, that doesn’t matter.
She could have lived to one hundred and everyone said she lived a good life… I don’t know. To me, that’s still young. I just think it’d be nice, and this is only a matter of opinion, to know that we aren’t alone and when stuff happens, it’ll all pan out to be alright. Hopefully. Who knows.
@llarod, I dig what you’re jiving.
@streklof, In very stripped down terms, imagine you and I are in a dorm hall. You remember it as “We had a party here once, the whole hall was there and it was awesome.” And I remember it as “I used to date a chick that lives in this hall” So, we both have different experiences of this hall. You can have fond memories, and for me they could be painful. Its the same physical place, but mentally its quite different for both of us. And since the mental perception of something overpowers what it physically is in many cases, we’re in two different halls.